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Stadiums Queensland row: Gold Coast is the home of broken sporting franchises
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THE Gold Coast is a veritable bone yard of broken sporting franchises.

Bears, Giants, Cougars, Seagulls, Chargers and United have all been buried along the idyllic sandy stretch.

Weighed down by debt and left to sink by fickle fans whose only allegiance was to success, each team’s dreams of flourishing in Queensland’s second biggest city turned to ash.

In true Gold Coast style, some of these teams began with white-shoed sugar daddies.

Corporate crook Christopher Skase dropped $30 million playing the “Bad News Bears” out of Carrara Stadium.

Skase used to fly in on a helicopter for game day before he shot off to Spain and left an unpaid bill for the venue’s lights.

Clive Palmer went from football philanthropist to round ball pariah in just a few short years with Gold Coast United.

He wanted to cap crowds to avoid Government fees at Robina Stadium and the team was eventually kicked out of the A-League.

Yet the sports codes have all been willing to step over the corpses of others for a slice of the Gold Coast, convinced their product would bring the people and turn a profit.

The Suns (AFL) and Titans (NRL) are now making the same noises as other Gold Coast sporting teams in their death throes.

They’re both bemoaning the cost of the fees applied by the Government’s venue manager, Stadiums Queensland, while their results and crowds have been on a downward trajectory.

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The Suns crowd at Metricon Stadium last year. Picture: Jerad Williams
The Suns say they signed a dud deal at Carrara, now known as Metricon Stadium, that costs them $1 million annually and a further $700,000 in maintenance.

The Titans haven’t signed a deal to play at Robina, now known as Cbus Stadium, since 2016 and say they’re better off paying $110,000 per game and taking matches elsewhere.

Cut the fees, they say, and we’ll survive and thrive.

Yet Stadiums Queensland isn’t a charity.

And taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to be donors to sporting failures.

SQ is far from the cash cow like critics have claimed.

It lost close to $30 million last year as venue hiring revenue shrunk by almost 30 per cent.

Profit is not the only goal when governments build stadiums, as the venues deliver broader economic and social dividends.

However, there needs to be a degree of fiscal discipline so they don’t suck cash away from causes more needy than professional sport.

Let’s not forget both the Suns and Titans started with promises which were much alike.

If taxpayers covered a fat proportion of their stadium costs the crowds would come and the bill would be repaid.

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Steven Wardill, State Affairs Editor at The Courier-Mail.
And given the increasingly transactional nature of voters, these codes know politicians see sports stadiums as a way of attracting support.

The State Government tipped more than $70 million into Metricon’s upgrade for the Suns.

The Titans were only granted an NRL licence after the Government agreed to tip in $100 million for a rectangle stadium at Robina.

So it’s a bit rich to put a further pinch on the humble punter.

Sports Minister Mick De Brenni is right to say that the teams wouldn’t be whinging about fees if they were winning on the field.

“Ultimately each club is responsible for their own destiny,” he said this week.

“It is up to the clubs to develop a strong following through marketing … and on-field performances.”

Yet the clubs aren’t completely to blame.

Both Carrara and Robina are like islands by the beach with such poor transport links they’re near inaccessible for fans.

This planning flaw would have saved on upfront costs.

But there’s a long-term price at the ticket gate because getting to games is a logistical nightmare for families.

The Government has also failed to attract other tenants and events to the stadiums to spread the costs.

Three codes play out of Suncorp Stadium, for example, while Cbus has lost a soccer team and the Rugby Sevens tournament.

What’s occurring on the Gold Coast will repeat in Townsville if the Government doesn’t find alternative uses for the stadium being built for the North Queensland Cowboys.

Yet while de Brenni can blow hard about on-field performances being the cure-all for fixing each team’s finances, Labor can ill afford for more sporting carcasses to pile up on the coast.

They’ve tipped significant money into providing the Suns and the Titans with stadiums despite the record of sporting failures.

So it’s incumbent on them to make the investment pay off. And after the multi-billion dollar spending spree getting the Commonwealth Games to the coast, losing either of the permanent

sporting teams and being left with white elephant infrastructure would be a poor look.

Its long irked Labor that all the investment its governments have made on the coast has delivered little love from local electorates.

But Gold Coasters would turn on Labor, which finally got a seat back on the coast in 2017, if either team folded under their watch.

The Suns and Titans know this which is why they’ll probably get more taxpayer-funded gratuity in the way of fee relief.

However, the next time some rent-seeking sports boss walks into a minister’s office wearing white shoes and promising the world, government should consider running in the other direction.

^^^^ Courier Mail at it again: I’ll say it again: the difference between the GC and Brisbane is we just want to beat them at games of footy whereas they don’t want us to exist.
 
The following club statement was just emailed to all Titans members
It may be of interest to hopefully more than a few of you

Dear Mr Bods,

The wonderful success of the Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast has demonstrated the value that high-profile sport delivers to the community through a variety of beneficial health and social impacts – not just outcomes on the sporting stage. Few could argue the inspiration provided by some of the best athletes in the world over the past few weeks has had a profound influence on motivating all segments of the community to unite together and participate.

The Government invested heavily in bringing the Games to the Gold Coast to derive the long-term economic and social benefits that will last long into the future by way of legacy. There is now a great opportunity for the momentum generated by the Games to be carried forward by local sporting codes and organisations that provide similar community inspiration and healthy lifestyle benefits on a constant basis.

The work the Gold Coast Titans undertake in the local community delivers invaluable benefits and social impacts that would otherwise be the responsibility of government agencies. The Titans undertake this work at our own cost as good corporate citizens because we see the difference it makes in the lives of people every day. The community initiatives that the Titans support are across multiple important areas including education, indigenous programs, and grass roots development.

It is in this context the Titans would like to publicly address a number of inaccuracies and false assertions currently circulating with regards to hiring arrangements at Cbus Super stadium.

At the outset it is important to note that this club, its owners, and its management enjoy an excellent working relationship with the Queensland Government, and we have always been very cognisant of the government’s responsibility to prudently manage taxpayers funds.

As such, the Titans have never sought government assistance to underwrite the operating costs of our business as has been insinuated. Our only objective throughout discussions with government stretching over the past 3½ years, has been to reach a long-term agreement on fair commercial terms similar to those in place for NRL clubs hiring government owned venues in other states.

The difference between government charges currently imposed on the Titans and those in place for very similar facilities in NSW is approaching $500k per annum. The inevitable consequence of this type of inequality is that further upward pressure is placed on ticket prices for our loyal members and fans who are also taxpayers contributing to the government for the provision of sporting facilities and other essential infrastructure.

The Sports Minister's reported public comments are disappointing and are indifferent to the value and contribution of sport to local communities and the overall fabric of society. The inference that only winning clubs have a right to survive goes against every accepted national trait we try to instil in young Australians encouraging participation, sportsmanship, and continuously striving to improve regardless of results.

The Gold Coast Titans currently run the lowest cost and most efficient operation in the NRL competition, yet the club still operates at a loss. A large component of that loss is the difference between the stadium charges imposed on the Titans and the charges imposed on other interstate clubs. Having recently transitioned from NRL ownership, the structure of the clubs' new private ownership strictly requires any operating surplus to be reinvested in the club, the community, and the further development of the game in our region.

The Titans seek no recognition or benefit from government for meeting our social responsibilities in the spirit of carrying on the legacy of the Commonwealth Games. We simply seek fair commercial hiring terms for our stadium comparable to government owned venues in other states.
 

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The inference that only winning clubs have a right to survive goes against every accepted national trait we try to instil in young Australians encouraging participation, sportsmanship, and continuously striving to improve regardless of results.
Great one liner
Nearly makes me want to be a Titans fan
Nearly
 
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GOLD Coast’s footy clubs have united to slam Labor minister Mick de Brenni’s un-Australian attitude to sport and accuse him of peddling falsehoods about Stadiums Queensland deals.

The city’s NRL and AFL clubs united after sports minister de Brenni issued a public smackdown of the Titans and Suns claiming their financial woes were the result of poor on-field performances.

The Titans say they pay about $500,000 more a year in government fees than their NSW rivals while the Suns insist they have made repeat proposals for a better deal for Metricon Stadium that incur “zero costs to Government”.

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Gold Coast Suns chairman Tony Cochrane was outraged by Sports Minister Mick de Brenni’s comments. Picture: Jerad Williams
Both clubs say Mr de Brenni is wildly out of touch with Australian values around sporting participation and his comments were an attack on the Gold Coast community.

Suns chairman Tony Cochrane said Mr de Brenni’s comments were “harmful and disrespectful to the Suns and our community”.

In a statement to members, the Titans attempt to address “a number of inaccuracies and false assertations” in regard to the hiring arrangements at Cbus Stadium made by Mr de Brenni.

The club claims it is the most efficient operation in the NRL competition but still operates at a loss because of unfair stadium deals.

“The Titans have never sought government assistance to underwrite the operating costs of our business as has been insinuated,” the statement said.

“Our only objective throughout discussions with government, stretching over the past 3½ years, has been to reach a long-term agreement on fair commercial terms similar to those in place for NRL clubs hiring government owned venues in other states. The difference between government charges currently imposed on the Titans and those in place for very similar facilities in NSW is approaching $500k per annum.

“The inference that only winning clubs have a right to survive goes against every accepted national trait we try to instil in young Australians,” the Titans said.

Insiders from across Queensland’s sporting landscape told The Courier-Mail de Brenni’s stunning claim that “Clubs with a winning formula can make a strong profit utilising our stadiums’’ were a nonsense that ignored the financial woes A League club Queensland Roar battled through a period of dominance when they won three championships in four years.

It also angered the Titans who believed a Government that only valued winning was out of step with Australian values.

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Sports Minister Mick de Brenni is under fire after his comments in The Courier-Mail. Picture: AAP/Darren England
“The inference that only winning clubs have a right to survive goes against every accepted national trait we try to instil in young Australians encouraging participation, sportsmanship, and continuously striving to improve regardless of results,” the Titans said.

The Titans and Suns say they happily provide community services that should be the responsibilities of Governments which save taxpayers millions.

“The Titans undertake this work at our own cost as good corporate citizens because we see the difference it makes in the lives of people every day. The community initiatives that The Titans support are across multiple important areas including education, indigenous programs, and grassroots development.’’

Our community values sport, this was on show for everyone to see during the Commonwealth Games and highlights these comments are at odds with how this community feels about sport, and its contribution to our Australian way of life.
 
GOLD Coast’s footy clubs have united to slam Labor minister Mick de Brenni’s un-Australian attitude to sport and accuse him of peddling falsehoods about Stadiums Queensland deals.

The city’s NRL and AFL clubs united after sports minister de Brenni issued a public smackdown of the Titans and Suns claiming their financial woes were the result of poor on-field performances.

The Titans say they pay about $500,000 more a year in government fees than their NSW rivals while the Suns insist they have made repeat proposals for a better deal for Metricon Stadium that incur “zero costs to Government”.

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Gold Coast Suns chairman Tony Cochrane was outraged by Sports Minister Mick de Brenni’s comments. Picture: Jerad Williams
Both clubs say Mr de Brenni is wildly out of touch with Australian values around sporting participation and his comments were an attack on the Gold Coast community.

Suns chairman Tony Cochrane said Mr de Brenni’s comments were “harmful and disrespectful to the Suns and our community”.

In a statement to members, the Titans attempt to address “a number of inaccuracies and false assertations” in regard to the hiring arrangements at Cbus Stadium made by Mr de Brenni.

The club claims it is the most efficient operation in the NRL competition but still operates at a loss because of unfair stadium deals.

“The Titans have never sought government assistance to underwrite the operating costs of our business as has been insinuated,” the statement said.

“Our only objective throughout discussions with government, stretching over the past 3½ years, has been to reach a long-term agreement on fair commercial terms similar to those in place for NRL clubs hiring government owned venues in other states. The difference between government charges currently imposed on the Titans and those in place for very similar facilities in NSW is approaching $500k per annum.

“The inference that only winning clubs have a right to survive goes against every accepted national trait we try to instil in young Australians,” the Titans said.

Insiders from across Queensland’s sporting landscape told The Courier-Mail de Brenni’s stunning claim that “Clubs with a winning formula can make a strong profit utilising our stadiums’’ were a nonsense that ignored the financial woes A League club Queensland Roar battled through a period of dominance when they won three championships in four years.

It also angered the Titans who believed a Government that only valued winning was out of step with Australian values.

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Sports Minister Mick de Brenni is under fire after his comments in The Courier-Mail. Picture: AAP/Darren England
“The inference that only winning clubs have a right to survive goes against every accepted national trait we try to instil in young Australians encouraging participation, sportsmanship, and continuously striving to improve regardless of results,” the Titans said.

The Titans and Suns say they happily provide community services that should be the responsibilities of Governments which save taxpayers millions.

“The Titans undertake this work at our own cost as good corporate citizens because we see the difference it makes in the lives of people every day. The community initiatives that The Titans support are across multiple important areas including education, indigenous programs, and grassroots development.’’

Our community values sport, this was on show for everyone to see during the Commonwealth Games and highlights these comments are at odds with how this community feels about sport, and its contribution to our Australian way of life.

I love this. I encourage all members of our board who live in QLD to take a few mins to write to your local state member of parliament by email
 
Gold Coast Suns’ Metricon Stadium rescue deal with Cricket Australia in jeopardy
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STADIUMS Queensland is under fresh attack following revelations the Gold Coast Suns’ year-long negotiations with Cricket Australia to host matches could collapse due to exorbitant venue-hiring fees.

A Sunday Mail investigation has revealed the AFL club’s hopes of securing a financial lifeline by hosting Big Bash and international Twenty20 fixtures are hanging by a thread as CA baulks at hiring fees for Metricon Stadium.

CA has identified Metricon as the ideal regional venue for elite cricket, but fears Stadiums Queensland’s hiring fees will incur debt, a scenario that would further cripple the ailing Suns.

The Sunday Ma i l can also reveal the Suns have been offered a way out of their current Metricon deal, with a new deal now under negotiation.

Queensland Sport Minister Mick de Brenni will today announce that experienced sports administrator John Lee will head up a stadiums taskforce to address the concerns of clubs livid with venue hiring fees and levies.

The taskforce will examine hiring and lease agreements brokered with Queensland venues, including possible changes to current stadium systems or designs to lower the operational pressure on police.

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However no changes that lessened public safety would be approved.

Currently the CEO of Sailing Australia, Mr Lee has major event experience through his previous roles as a director of the North Queensland Cowboys and CEO of the Sydney Roosters and Rabbitohs.

“John will lead a team of infrastructure, finance and commercial experts from within government and external consultancies, and I’m looking forward to receiving his expert advice,’’ Mr de Brenni said.

Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate has slammed Stadiums Queensland, calling on the Government to hand over management rights of the $300 million Cbus Super and Metricon Stadiums to the local city council.

“I view cricket as a major event, and like any new event, you have to be willing to negotiate and meet the market. That includes stadium leasing costs,” Cr Tate said.

“I know if we secured these cricket formats for the Gold Coast, we would lure other events. That’s how it works.

“Stadiums Queensland has been mismanaged for years. It has left our Cbus Stadium as a white elephant.

“To be honest, if Stadiums Queensland was a private business, it would have gone bankrupt years ago.”
 
Gold Coast Suns’ Metricon Stadium rescue deal with Cricket Australia in jeopardy
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STADIUMS Queensland is under fresh attack following revelations the Gold Coast Suns’ year-long negotiations with Cricket Australia to host matches could collapse due to exorbitant venue-hiring fees.

A Sunday Mail investigation has revealed the AFL club’s hopes of securing a financial lifeline by hosting Big Bash and international Twenty20 fixtures are hanging by a thread as CA baulks at hiring fees for Metricon Stadium.

CA has identified Metricon as the ideal regional venue for elite cricket, but fears Stadiums Queensland’s hiring fees will incur debt, a scenario that would further cripple the ailing Suns.

The Sunday Ma i l can also reveal the Suns have been offered a way out of their current Metricon deal, with a new deal now under negotiation.

Queensland Sport Minister Mick de Brenni will today announce that experienced sports administrator John Lee will head up a stadiums taskforce to address the concerns of clubs livid with venue hiring fees and levies.

The taskforce will examine hiring and lease agreements brokered with Queensland venues, including possible changes to current stadium systems or designs to lower the operational pressure on police.

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Tom Tate
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Mick de Brenni
However no changes that lessened public safety would be approved.

Currently the CEO of Sailing Australia, Mr Lee has major event experience through his previous roles as a director of the North Queensland Cowboys and CEO of the Sydney Roosters and Rabbitohs.

“John will lead a team of infrastructure, finance and commercial experts from within government and external consultancies, and I’m looking forward to receiving his expert advice,’’ Mr de Brenni said.

Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate has slammed Stadiums Queensland, calling on the Government to hand over management rights of the $300 million Cbus Super and Metricon Stadiums to the local city council.

“I view cricket as a major event, and like any new event, you have to be willing to negotiate and meet the market. That includes stadium leasing costs,” Cr Tate said.

“I know if we secured these cricket formats for the Gold Coast, we would lure other events. That’s how it works.

“Stadiums Queensland has been mismanaged for years. It has left our Cbus Stadium as a white elephant.

“To be honest, if Stadiums Queensland was a private business, it would have gone bankrupt years ago.”

I’d wet myself if GCCC took over management....I know Tom Tate has his critics but I reckon it would work out brilliantly for GC people.
 
I’ve found over the years that the correlation between what happens to the Titans/Suns is uncannily similar.

And this weekend I consider both teams fixtures to be season defining “must wins”.
Well the Titans were diabolically poor tonight. I’m appalled and angry with them.

It’s a bad sign for tomorrow.
 
The Sunday Mail can also reveal the Suns have been offered a way out of their current Metricon deal, with a new deal now under negotiation.
Undoubtedly the most notable line from the article. You just hope Mark Evans and co. extract every possible pound of flesh from the bloodsucking organisation that is Stadiums Queensland so the Suns don't have to deal with them again for a while. Then they can focus on securing a BBL game/franchise.

I’d wet myself if GCCC took over management....I know Tom Tate has his critics but I reckon it would work out brilliantly for GC people.
The Gold Coast Council owned Carrara back before funding was secured for the 2009-11 redevelopment but conducted an exchange of land with the state government and handed over ownership in the process. Therefore, I'd say it's highly unlikely ownership will exchange hands again any time soon.
 
Not sure what the AFL was thinking with their scheduling of the game yesterday
Kids at school meant very few families were going to do a twilight Sunday game,especially from the Coast
Given there were only 4 matches over the weekend you'd think they could have played it either earlier or on Saturday
 

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Not sure what the AFL was thinking with their scheduling of the game yesterday
Kids at school meant very few families were going to do a twilight Sunday game,especially from the Coast
Given there were only 4 matches over the weekend you'd think they could have played it either earlier or on Saturday

Yeah 16000 attendance for a Local Derby is pretty poor.
Seriously though how fickle are the Lions fans, when they won those 3 premierships in a row the Gabba was just about full every home game.
Anyway hats off to everyone that are sticking by them.
 
Yeah this game should have been played in a regional venue I think will be what people say after this disaster unfolds
Maybe Oakes Oval Lismore
There are very few venues in Queensland that are capable of hosting an AFL match. You really only have the Gabba, Metricon and Cazalys right now. The stadium in Townsville will be upgraded to AFL standards over the next 12 months in order for the city to host an AFL match in 2019 but there aren't many other realistic options. I know the Titans went regional during the Comm Games but that's really not an option in the AFL.

So the two biggest factors at play are - playing in an AFL standard venue and cutting travel time down as much as possible for the Suns. So I'd say the AFL just figured it was easier to schedule the game at the Gabba than trying to upgrade a little local club for a one off game. If any local club had a chance of hosting, it would have been the Southport Sharks.

Let's also remember the Suns have already played in Cairns, Townsville, Southport and at the Gabba so far this season. It's not like they aren't sharing it around.
 
There are very few venues in Queensland that are capable of hosting an AFL match. You really only have the Gabba, Metricon and Cazalys right now. The stadium in Townsville will be upgraded to AFL standards over the next 12 months in order for the city to host an AFL match in 2019 but there aren't many other realistic options. I know the Titans went regional during the Comm Games but that's really not an option in the AFL.

So the two biggest factors at play are - playing in an AFL standard venue and cutting travel time down as much as possible for the Suns. So I'd say the AFL just figured it was easier to schedule the game at the Gabba than trying to upgrade a little local club for a one off game. If any local club had a chance of hosting, it would have been the Southport Sharks.

Let's also remember the Suns have already played in Cairns, Townsville, Southport and at the Gabba so far this season. It's not like they aren't sharing it around.
they could have played it away to Melbourne and had another home game in the back half of the season.

I think its currently 7 out of last 13 games at metricon, could have been 8 out of last 13.
 
What's our access to The Gabba as Suns members like for the Melbourne match?
edit:still can't understand why Southport hasn't been upgraded to AFL standard
Why would southport be upgraded. makes no sense, apart from one or two games this year it would have never been used for AFL grade games again, anything on the coast would be played at Metricon - its not like there is going to be an event precluding use of Metricon every year
 
I think the general view out there is the suns have a lot of home games in 2nd half of season - but we don't.
7 out of 13 is no different to Adelaide or perth teams, or the suns in a normal year (with one home, one away generally the pattern)

in fact, if round 22 and 23 were reversed (home and away), it would be exactly that, home, away, home away from round 11 to round 23
 
they could have played it away to Melbourne and had another home game in the back half of the season.

I think its currently 7 out of last 13 games at metricon, could have been 8 out of last 13.
That's pretty rough to ask the Suns to deal with this schedule for the next four games after just recently playing twice in Perth:

Adelaide @ Adelaide Oval
Bulldogs @ Ballarat
Melbourne @ MCG
Port Adelaide @ Shanghai

At least playing the Demons at the Gabba breaks it up a bit and I'm sure the players appreciate not getting on a plane for only the second time in their first nine rounds. They've only played two games in Queensland this year and have come out victorious in both of those games.

The schedule for the first 9 rounds is already really tough. Asking the Suns to give away another game in Queensland would be insanity.
 
Yeah i was expecting more back to back home games in the last half of season. But not to be. I had a good time going to the gabba yesterday. Not the best viewing sitting behind goals, but the atmosphere was good the sunscreamers really do a good job trying to engage others. I took my wife with me and we made the most of a day in brissy, going to southbank and chilling out at the galleries. My wife even lasted a whole game and actually enjoyed it with minimal yo no complaints for the whole day.

But i would expect superior seats for the gabba game as a suns home match. My theory is we can jump onto the ticketmaster portal and select from a range of seats depending on our membership level. Ideally they just open up the members areas and you sit whereever you want.
 

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