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Okay well I have a debate on wed, "that parents should have a right to smack thier children", negative, and I was wondering, are there any laws that you know of about children's rights? or where I could find them?
Also your view on the topic would be much appriciated!
Thanks in advance.
 
Don't know what laws would apply in Victoria, but Australia is a signatory to a United Nations law about the Rights of the Child. Don't know whether it mentions smacking, but it's probably worth a look. I'll see if I can find the URL for you - I guess it's on line somewhere.
Which side are you arguing - that parents should or shouldn't be allowed to smack?
 
You got the crappy side of this argument, mate :)

The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child - which isn't really a law, in the classic 'Cops can arrest you over it' sense - does not (as currently interpreted) prevent smacking. You're better off looking at laws on criminal assault.
 
Bomber Spirit, we're negative (shouldn't).

We're going to base our main aruguments on how smacking a child can effect them emotionally, physically, and the long and short term effects. But it's the hard side, even though most people we've spoken to belive children should not be smacked, because it is VERY easy move off the topic, and most of our arguments can be torn apart by the affirmative side pretty easily.
We want to back up our arguments with stats etc as much as we can, because the adjudicators LOVE that, and it makes us look good agaisnt the other team if they don't have stats! Even if we slightly make them up... cos last debate they had all these stats on Pat Rafter about how much money he gives to charity, and it was all complete bull$hit, but it still looked good cos it was stats! lol.

And lucky me is third speaker, which I've never spoken before!
 

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Im Against It!

Smacking or beating anyone is assult, if you do this to a child it is a cowardly act and you should be penalised for it!!!!!

There are other disiplnery actions for when your child plays up, but until there is a rule brought in where you are under no circumstances hit your child, WELL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE THIESE ACTIONS AND THERE IS NOTHIN ANYONE CAN DO TO STOP IT!!!!!

Couldnt have said it any nicer if I tried!!!!

Go The Pies!

Dan

Go The Richo!

UNLEASH THE VL TURBO!
 
Laws vary from state to state. In Victoria the term unlawful chastisement is used to describe discipline gone too far. These incidents are often reported to the Child Protection Service. The Child Protection Service will then inform the SOCAU (the new name for the Community Policing Squad) who will investigate the criminal aspect of the incident with The Child Protection Service. Smacking a child on the bottom (not leaving a mark) or slapping their hand, say when they are about to touch something hot for instance is not considered child abuse. The SOCAU unit is more concerned with cases where the abuse has caused obvious injury such as fractures, burn marks, bruising, welts, etc. These injuries can be examined for probable cause by a forensic Dr. The injuries will also be photographed and the children can be taken away for video interviewing by the SOCAU unit. The SOCAU unit decide whether to lay charges of assault or not or refer to CIB. The laying of charges or not is fairly well irrelevant to Child Protection as they can persue the matter through the Children's Court if they choose. The Children's Court can make orders that can state where children live and state things parents must do to increase the safety for their children. It is quite separate from the criminal division. There is a ton of statisical information on child abuse that you should be able to access through contact with Human Services in Melbourne or your local office. Given you've only got till Wednesday, you will need to collect the hard copy from DHS yourself. As for the criminal aspect, phone your local SOCAU unit for info.
 
You could try going to the website of the Victorian government and emailing them for information. http://www.vic.gov.au may possibly be of some help.

I'm in a debate soon...sorry to steal your thunder Ella, but while we're talking of them...:D The topic is, "The use of information technology has ruined the art of conversation." I'm on the negative. Any ideas appreciated ;) :D
 
Originally posted by BomberGal
The topic is, "The use of information technology has ruined the art of conversation." I'm on the negative. Any ideas appreciated ;) :D
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If you believed the affirmative, you'd have to delete ICQ and MSN from your computer.:D :D :D
 
Originally posted by BomberGal


:eek: :eek: Never!!!


Well ICQ yes, it sucks, it's gone from my comp. But MSN...nooo....
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But my point is that far from ruining the art of conversation it has greatly expanded it. You're able to have conversations with people you'd never be able to meet in real life, make new friends and find people who share interests with in a way that never would have been possible without that technology.
 
Originally posted by BomberGal
You could try going to the website of the Victorian government and emailing them for information. http://www.vic.gov.au may possibly be of some help.

I'm in a debate soon...sorry to steal your thunder Ella, but while we're talking of them...:D The topic is, "The use of information technology has ruined the art of conversation." I'm on the negative. Any ideas appreciated ;) :D
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Oh man you got the good side!!

You should be saying stuff like it hasn't ruined it's helped and stuff, like with MSN and ICQ and the net being so much cheaper then a phone.

And just a tip: prepare rebuttal!

And thanks heaps everyone for ya help! Much appriciated! (spl?)
 
well ,i believe in it, considering that ever since they made it illegal the amount of kids with A.D.D has gone through the roof, and i had never heard of it before.
 

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The number of kids reported as having ADD has gone up now that dodgy parents and teachers that can't control a class have heard the term, and want to blame childrens' disruptiveness on something besides a lack of discipline.
 
Originally posted by danzy_rocks
Okay well I have a debate on wed, "that parents should have a right to smack thier children", negative, and I was wondering, are there any laws that you know of about children's rights? or where I could find them?
Also your view on the topic would be much appriciated!
Thanks in advance.
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If you are planning to smack your kids then when they grow up and do something wrong expect them to belt you one when you hit them.
 
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Originally posted by suzi_olsen

If you are planning to smack your kids then when they grow up and do something wrong expect them to belt you one when you hit them.
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:rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by vanders


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Well smacking children promotes aggressive behaviour when they are older. The kids can grow up and be bullies to their peers instead of making friends with their peers.

I have seen it happen.
 
If I did the wrong thing twice, I knew the next one was a smack on the arse. If I got one, I knew I deserved it. I knew that if I didn't want one, the temptation to do the wrong thing needed to be tempered (and two warnings was nearly always sufficient).

For some strange reason I am in a happy loving relationship with my wife, and my parents are among my best friends.
 
I agree with Porthos, the lack of just the threat of corporal punishment from either parents or other authority figures is one of the main reasons for the decline in youth discipline IMHO.

I got smacked (often), I don't think it affected me emotionally. (In fact many people would say that when I got too big to be smacked it was the beginning of the end ;) )

Although I do believe the threat of corporal punishment is a greater deterrant than the actual act of it.
 

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i was smacked when i was younger, and ive never been a bully.

It doesnt harm the kids when they get older if its done appropriately, like when theyve been warned about something a few times, not just when they annoy you.
 
It'd be interesting to see whether there's any statistics that measure any link between children that have never had corporal punishment and children with ADD.
The idea of corporal punishment is to inflict a small amount of short-term pain but not to cause any serious injury. Children's fingers are too easily broken, so any hit across the fingers should definately be a no-no. And even across the bottom, use of a wooden stick or something like that is probably a bit excessive.

Of course with debating, one of the hardest things about it can be if you're arguing something you don't believe. But that can be useful, it teaches you to think about both sides of an argument and why other people may think differently to what you do.
 
There is a lot of kids out there who misbehave to get attention - any attention including negative attention like smacking. I am fundamenently against smacking. I've seen too many parents who smack and when you ask if it helps they say "no but I do it anyway". As a parent and as someone heavily involved in, lets say the field of parenting, I believe that in the main, parents smack as an angry response to their child's behaviour rather than a thought out response that seeks to reduce similar behaviours. I don't smack my kids and they behave very well most of the time. They have time out in their rooms or privlidges removed when naughty. This has worked well for us. I'm not so naive to think that all kids will respond so positvely, but on the other hand, I don't think that smacking is any more effective. Consistancy is the key. Praise the good behaviour punish the bad but don't dwell on it. I hear so many people say when I was a kid I was hit with a wooden spoon etc. and it didn't do me any harm. That was fine back then but times change. If you want to do similar with your children, be ready to face an assault charge. Children are our most vulnerable assets.
 
Originally posted by roobear
If I did the wrong thing twice, I knew the next one was a smack on the arse. If I got one, I knew I deserved it. I knew that if I didn't want one, the temptation to do the wrong thing needed to be tempered (and two warnings was nearly always sufficient).

For some strange reason I am in a happy loving relationship with my wife, and my parents are among my best friends.
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Ditto.

In my opinion it is a parent's responsibility to decide how a child should be brought up, not the state's unless the health of the child is in danger.

By health in danger, I mean real, measurable danger, not some pretend psychological "danger" a light smack gives.

As long as the intent is right, and the punishment is delivered with an open hand, there is no danger to anyone's health.

And if I have a kid who decides to barrack for Collingwood, a smack will be the least of his worries.
 
Originally posted by TigerTank


Ditto.

In my opinion it is a parent's responsibility to decide how a child should be brought up, not the state's unless the health of the child is in danger.

By health in danger, I mean real, measurable danger, not some pretend psychological "danger" a light smack gives.

As long as the intent is right, and the punishment is delivered with an open hand, there is no danger to anyone's health.

And if I have a kid who decides to barrack for Collingwood, a smack will be the least of his worries.
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spot on
 

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