Small crumbing forward type

[Sekaj]

With Bunj and Stiff as mentor's, to me it's a no brainer, get Hooper.
Stiff is living proof you can get back on the straight and narrow.
We need speed and a small forward, in a supposedly weak draft (I am personally not sold on this), he's a monty.
Brisbane perplex me ... delist a 21 y.o. talent cause he's "out of control", but recruit the biggest basket case in the AFL at 29 y.o. (at a very high cost) who is beyond redemption.

Fevola is a bit of a headcase but as bad as he's been, he didn't throw a bottle at a woman resulting in her face being cut. You need to be very careful if you're considering getting Hooper to the AFC.

 

[craig crowing]

Fevola is a bit of a headcase but as bad as he's been, he didn't throw a bottle at a woman resulting in her face being cut. You need to be very careful if you're considering getting Hooper to the AFC.

I was like cmstab mixed ideas about Hooper because he is just what we need but this information tells me that the club wont and we should not recruit him.
However I am sure and hope club not only looking in the draft for this type of player and any mature recruits even giving a second chance at AFL of this mould even if we take a gamble with a low draft pick.

 

[Hodgy]

Fevola is a bit of a headcase but as bad as he's been, he didn't throw a bottle at a woman resulting in her face being cut. You need to be very careful if you're considering getting Hooper to the AFC.

No, he just followed a female reporter into a cubicle at the Brownlow and allegedly acted poorly but Brisbane seem to think they can turn him around. Like most here I sit on the fence on this one but I think it is fair to say that quite often the indiginous boys have a close bond together within a club and seem to respond strongly to senior role models and I am struggling to think of that kind of network at Brisbane. It might just be that a club like ours that not only seems to have a good culture but has several indigenous players and probably the most respected senior indiginous player in the league to look up to and get advice from, might just be the environment that would get the best out of him. I would be very happy though to trust the club on this one as I'm sure they have a lot better information to make a decision on than us.

 

[Jars458]

Johncock and Thompson both had issues which appear to have been dealt with.

I guess its a quewtion of the extent of Rhan's issues. I would like to think as Drummond says that we are not limited to drafting boy next door types and that we can take a risk on a talented player.

Perhaps the club rate Jacky highly enough to develop him rather than worry abuot delisted players.

I think Hooper would offer a lot and wouldn't be upset if we gave him a second chance.

 

[Bazz_27]

Simple solution- bring him to Adelaide and from the moment he arrives arrange for 2 "crowbots" to patrol the airport..... then he can't leave and if he tries he will feel the wrath of the crowbot!

 

[aneale]

I can never quite figure out where I sit on this argument. On one hand, it's true that if our culture isn't good enough to turn around/deal with one misbehaving player, we really haven't done anything other than totally restrict ourselves from selecting anyone but clean-cut players.

On the other hand, why would you reward someone with an attitude problem with a spot on the list? Particularly one who has demonstrated serious issues in the past. Better to recruit a new kid and if he turns out to have attitude problems, then rely on the culture of the club to fix him up.

But then once again, why lose the oppurtunity to pick up a player under value if we could turn him around? It some sense, it seems little different to us picking up an injured Petrenko under his true value because he's got to recover from an injury.

Can't quite figure out which side of the fence I'm standing on here

I agree, sometimes you just have to be a risk taker and not toe the conservative line every now and again. If there was time and place for this to happen with the Crows it's now, shallow draft, compromised ones coming up and we have developed a good list of young talent, a 2 year risk on a 21yo talent is worth it IMO. If the guy was 26 forget it, but I think at that age you give it a crack and see if the kid really wants to be a footballer or not.

I don't want us to be rocked by controversy constantly but I don't want us as the choirboy club either.

 

[King Elvis]

If it was just the attitude problems, then he'd be worth the gamble, but the fact that he's apparently assaulted somebody puts him out of frame for mine.

 

[Macjoe]

Rhan Hooper has scored goals in a forward line when Brown and Bradshaw were also scoring. That's a rare type of SCF. We need that sort of rare SCF who can kick goals in a forward line when at least some of Tippett, Porplyzia, Taylor, Hentshel, Burton, Knights or some of our debutants are scoring. (I assume Dangerfield and Douglas will be scoring midfielders)!

So, I trust we will be very active in assessing whether Hooper could fit into our group.

I fear that mentoring by our indigenous connections may not be as valuable as we hope. Brief research shows that Hooper's background is Murri, from inland Queensland. Even though Bunji and Stiffy come from areas 3000kms apart, it seems their peoples share a lot in common. They are both from the Anangu peoples, I believe. But the Murri seem to be a larger and distinctly different group. Of course Macca is held in high regard by indigenous players, but most of the ones we know come from VIC, SA, NT or WA, not Queensland. To what extent, if any will our indigenous players be able to influence Hooper?

 

[sydney_crow]

I agree, sometimes you just have to be a risk taker and not toe the conservative line every now and again. If there was time and place for this to happen with the Crows it's now, shallow draft, compromised ones coming up and we have developed a good list of young talent, a 2 year risk on a 21yo talent is worth it IMO. If the guy was 26 forget it, but I think at that age you give it a crack and see if the kid really wants to be a footballer or not.

I don't want us to be rocked by controversy constantly but I don't want us as the choirboy club either.

+1

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[juvenile]

I'm definitely interested in him. If it weren't for the disciplinary reasons i would say yes 100% as i am a firm believer a change of scenery can do wonders for the unfulfilled talents. Hooper does need a huge shake up but as it stands, it is a risk but one i'd be willing to take.

 

[jenny61_99]

Without knowing Hooper, it's hard to make a sensible comment as to whether he could toe the line at the AFC or not.

Brisbane are ditching him, so their opinion is that he won't change his ways, which up until now haven't been very impressive off-field at all.

But what is impressive is that he he would fit the bill perfectly as that speedy little goal kicking crumber that we've always wanted and never had.

He's got tons of ability.

The head says "leave him be" while the heart says 'let's get him.

I don't think we will pursue him, but wouldn't be averse to giving it a crack with our last pick.

The ironic thing is that Brisbane are dumping Hooper and gaining Fevola (maybe they didn't want more than one?)!

Hoops is a problem child, he loves the drink and he parties hard. He is mates with Darryl White so he has been mentored, although not sure if it's been the right way?

This may be the thing Hoops needs to put him on the right track.. to realise what it is that he has and not to piss it all away.

 

[cammo6556]

With us looking at smaller players with our first draft pick, could our recruiting hooper hinge on who we get with our first pick? Or whther we get wanganeen?

 

[Asgardian]

If you wanted to recycle one, wouldn't John Bennell (ex Collingwood) be a better, and safer, bet?

 

[Crow-mo]

If you wanted to recycle one, wouldn't John Bennell (ex Collingwood) be a better, and safer, bet?

wouldn't shaking tins for your club be a better bet that posting that?

 

[Crow-mo]

I can never quite figure out where I sit on this argument. On one hand, it's true that if our culture isn't good enough to turn around/deal with one misbehaving player, we really haven't done anything other than totally restrict ourselves from selecting anyone but clean-cut players.

you have to wonder if we're self-reinforcing our values rather than instilling them.

On the other hand, why would you reward someone with an attitude problem with a spot on the list?

the same way or reason we reward anyone by drafting them: i.e. we do it for ourselves not them. we only claim we did them a favour, when they pan out and want to walk.

we only draft, recruit, train and develop players for our own selfish reasons (as it should be) so I would think if we thought he was worth it we should do it.

 

[Crow-mo]

and can we stop referencing his indigenous background, stereotyping him isn't really adding anything to the discussion.

He's a man who has made mistakes, and has some choices about how he wants to live the remainder of his life. nothing more.

 

[aneale]

If you wanted to recycle one, wouldn't John Bennell (ex Collingwood) be a better, and safer, bet?

safer yes, better no way. Nothing that jumps out about Bennell IMO.

 

[jenny61_99]

I still maintain that for next year anyway, McLeod plays the forward crumbing role.

 

[crowman86]

Don't disagree with that call Jen. Esp if he gets on the end of some transitions through the the middle, I love his delivery into the forward 50.