Smoking Bans

[otaku]

Read the post above yours I posted at about the same time.

Anyway, I hate motor sports, so they don't have any effect on me. If you're telling me I get as many carcinogens from say the Kwinana Motoplex (which I never go near) as I do from people smoking near me, that's bollocks. I drive a small car because I cannot use public transport (even though I'd prefer to)

not at all - the amount of crap pumped out by internal combustion vehicles is immense.

And I am sure that you have been on more than one drive, just for the sake of it - or even a drive just to go somewhere nice - it isnt essential, so why not ban it?

In fact, rather than banning smoking little by little - just go all out and push for making it illegal.

 

[evo]

Why not? I hope you wouldn't try and deny that cigarette smoke contains harmful substances, so why should one person's lifestyle be allowed to prevail over preventing others - who have made a different lifestyle choice - from inhaling poisons and carcinogens even in small quantities?

Not to mention that it is almost always possible for the smoker to leave the area while they smoke. They're the ones affecting the area around them, not the non-smokers, so why should the non-smokers who have no effect on those around them suffer.

It's outside man!No ones health is affected!What area?They left their work tdesk to go outside to smoke and still you fascists aren't happy.

Actually, most smoking bans aren't really about stopping smoking per se; they're about stopping passive smoking. Noone's stopping people smoking, they're stopping them smoking where they effectively force others to smoke around them who otherwise would not.

Again,it's outside.No ones dying from passive smoking here.

Oh, and as I said, I probably wouldn't advocate banning smoking while driving as a smoking issue, rather as a road safety issue as it means the smoker has to take their hand off the wheel from time to time, and at that I don't think its that big an issue anyway.

Yeh me either.

Because it is offensive - lets look at an alternate example. We don't let people sit on street corners masturbating. The person might enjoy masturbating, it doesn't physically affect anyone else - in fact it would affect people much less than smoking does, but it is offensive, so its illegal.

You're equating Masturbating with smoking?Come on,I know it's an an analogy but thats a bit of a stretch don't you think.

Additionally, passive smoking can have a direct and immediate effect on severe asthmatics, so to claim that it has no physical effect on others is a fallacy.

Outside.No ones health affected.

Well there are related laws to that - public nuisance, by laws on buskers and the likes. Additionally, a vast majority of people wouldn't inflict their singing on the public, while smoking in public has a physical effect

I've got nothing against buskers.Another law that annoys me.Another example of exactly what I'm talking about.Who do buskers hurt?

I have no problem with letting people smoke.

You obviously do.You even seem to disapprove when it doesn't affect your health.In fact you seem to equate it with masturbating in public.

The attitude that occasional smoke is acceptable gets on my goat just as much. I don't want to be exposed to it, and to force exposure on others is not just lazy, its irresponsible and since some people can't seem to resist doing it should be illegal.

Yeah.Anything else you don't approve of while we're at it?Swearing?Praising Jesus? Scary clowns?

 

[gadj1976]

I didn't realise what a great idea it was until I moved from the ACT (where they have bans) to Adelaide (where they don't).

Pretty obvious which is better by a long way.

 

[afc9798]

I'd agree with that, except it takes time to fix other sorts of pollution, while you can easily fix smoking - ban it where it affects others.
You can ban other forms of pollutions just as easily, but Govts. don't have the guts to do it. One start would be removing vehicles from the road that are emitting excess pollution. You can also shut down industries that do not abide by the required standards, but very rarely are these powers utilised.

Industrial and vehicle pollution can't be stopped without viable alternatives in place. I can't talk about industry, but the only viable alternative to vehicular pollution is improved public transport - and that requires a large outlay of infrastructure spending and time to get operational. In Perth there is already the southern suburbs railway, but in the end to stop cars (the bulk of urban vehicle pollution) that would need to be the tip of the iceberg.
There are other alternatives that are viable, but vested interests such as the oil industry, do not want Govts. to support these activities hence the massive lobby groups and huge strings of donations and funds. Hydrogen and electricity are two perfectly viable methods, but without the dollars invested, they will never replace oil until the well runs dry(pun intended).

Ultimately, removing industrial and vehicular pollution is a very high cost to the populace, while removing cigarette smoke is not.

Removing cigarette smoking is a high cost to Govts, which is why they are not truly committed to stopping smoking and why they only take half measures. Taxation dollars from smokers are enormous in the short term, which is all Govts ever think of. Rarely does a Govt take into account the future efffects and costs of allowing people to continue smoking. Gambling is a similar situation, Govts are hooked on the revenue, so they pretend to put measures in place to control the evil pokie barons, all the while sucking up the massive revenues.

 

[WA ROO]

When are you going to lobby for the banning of all forms of motorsport - they are doing you as much harm as smoking.

Dragracing my choice of motorsport most cars use a specialist racing fuel (methanol) which does not pollute.Also these cars arew not racing through the main bar of the Paddington Alehouse ie not in a confined space
No smoking in pubs and clubs I can see two good things coming from this
1,the return of the beer garden
2,you won't smell like ********** when you get home from the pub

 

[Mr Q]

It's outside man!No ones health is affected!What area?They left their work tdesk to go outside to smoke and still you fascists aren't happy.

I'm not talking about that sort of thing - its really not a problem. I'm talking about people who smoke in crowded public areas - you know, bus stops, station platforms and the like. If someone's walking down the street and feels like a smoke, then that's probably OK. As long as they don't just drop their cigarette butts on the ground (but that's a different issue).

I'd be more than sufficiently happy if the law stated thinks like you were not allowed to smoke within 100m of a bus stop or train station and the like

Again,it's outside.No ones dying from passive smoking here.
Yeh me either.

You're equating Masturbating with smoking?Come on,I know it's an an analogy but thats a bit of a stretch don't you think.

I'm trying to point out the idiocy of your stand. You said "if it doesn't hurt you physically....". Well someone else having a wa*k doesn't hurt you, and cigarette smoke could. Certainly couldn't hurt to ban it in crowds.

I could have used the example of someone drinking alcohol on a street corner, which is illegal, but you cannot "passive drink."

Outside.No ones health affected.


I've got nothing against buskers.Another law that annoys me.Another example of exactly what I'm talking about.Who do buskers hurt?

No-one (on the whole), but people do get shat off by busking and the like. Thus it is controlled so it doesn't get excessive.

You obviously do.You even seem to disapprove when it doesn't affect your health.In fact you seem to equate it with masturbating in public.

I don't, that was (as you said) an analogy. However, if you're the sort of knob who smokes in the middle of a crowd, you are an arse hole. Since there are some people

Yeah.Anything else you don't approve of while we're at it?Swearing?Praising Jesus? Scary clowns?

 

[skipper kelly]

Yeah.Anything else you don't approve of while we're at it........ Scary clowns?

I hate clowns and those talking dolls. they scare shyt out of me.

 

[Greaves]

Finally, I can go home without smelling like crap... Smoking is stupid.

 

[mantis]

Finally, I can go home without smelling like crap... .

Well that's a whole other problem, maybe stay out of the toilets.

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

Well that's a whole other problem, maybe stay out of the toilets.

As if smoking isn't reason enough to use public loos. Then theres the mossie problems.

 

[Bombers 2003]

I didn't realise what a great idea it was until I moved from the ACT (where they have bans) to Adelaide (where they don't).

Pretty obvious which is better by a long way.

Well,Which?.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Finally, I can go home without smelling like crap

Your NOT Alan Jones?.