Snoops Pies Trading/Drafting Strategy

[Snoop Dog]

Collingwood strategy over the next few weeks

Thought I would have a go at what the Pie heirachy are thinking right now about the next couple of weeks. Encourage other posters to do the same on their sides.

Warning
I do not want every half bit tool slagging every suggestion I make - unless you are prepared to post your own strategy dont bother slagging off mine. Happy for constructive comment though.

Year in review

Pies were out of the blocks early and a quick game plan blew many sides off the park. Stoppages were king and playing on at all costs. Johnson and Shaw were doing the job up back and Rocca and Tarrant up front. The problems started when we realised Fraser cannot ruck for 22 rounds and Rocca after not playing last year lost fitness whilst Tarrant lost confidence. The mids also started to slow as their aging legs could not keep pace.

Beating the Grand Finalists and getting pretty close to Crows twice were the highlights.

All in all though - a significant improvement

Where are we at

I am not sure we are as close as some other clubs. I think we have an aging group of mids who Mick has taken to the well and needs change. Swan, Johnson, Thomas, Pendlebury, Lockyer and the Shaw boys are the future. Heaps of pace there. Our fwd line is terrific but it is also aging. Buckley must play fwd all year. We also need to plan for the retirement of Wakes, Prest and the slowing of Clement - albeit the latter two still have 3-4 yrs in them.

What are the problems

Inside and out mids as well as KPP up front.

Getting a Selwood or Proud in rd 1 would be terrific. Then look for Pies to go for Tippett, Brown boys, Allen around pick 2. Best available after that as long as they fit that type.

Who needs to improve

For me its Rusling being moved to a wing along with Tarrant, Swan taking the next step in the middle and H.Shaw coming in their as well. L.Davis being able to spend more time in the middle would be a bonus. A full preseason from Rocca might help get thru a season.

Who needs to be stepped into the side.

Anthony. Anyone that has seen this bloke knows he can play. Aggression in spades and a nice kick with good vision.

Would also like to see Ben Davies come into the side and become a run with player. He has the speed and can run lines when his confidence is up. Could be damaging with a years experience.

Cox and Nicholls have also shown signs they can play. Cox is particularly exciting and I know the club has been very happy with his development.


The hard questions

Tarrant - I am 50/50. If Pies decide to play him in the middle then he could be the recruit of the year in which case you would keep him. Play him fwd and maybe its best he goes.

Licuria - time to say goodbye. he should not be gtd of playing snrs next year and the kids must be promoted.

Cam CLoke - with Fanning and Hall going he must be kept.

Gardiner - guys has more problems than just his legs. Lets not say any more.

Everitt - possibly but Saints will take him.

Aka - Bullies fans must be crapping themselves after his performance last week. Aka will command a pick that getsd you a Higgins type. I'll take a Higgins every day. Not for us.

Who needs to go

Lonie - time has come for him to leave. He has had his best year and has currency so would trade him. Someone like Kelly at Cats would be a nice swap.

J.Cloke - love him but its clear he wants out. suggest he would get a pick around 40-60.

P.Licuria - as much as I love the bloke his time has come. Its not that he is the worst of the mids - just that we can still get service from a younger Holland and OB and Burns is to old. Licca may get you a latish pick.

Delist
Fanning, Rowe, Hall, Caracella, Morrison, Iaboucci (add to rookie)
Promote - OBrien

Our best 22

B Davies, Prestigiacomo, Anthony
HB H.Shaw, Clement, Maxwell
C C.Tarrant, D.Swan, S.Rusling
HF Didak, T.Cloke, J.Fraser
F Buckley, Rocca, Davis
Foll C.Cloke, Johnson
Rov OBree
Int R.Shaw, J.Kelly, Lockyer, Thomas

Depth
Iles, Walker, Pendlebury, Wakelin, Burns, Richards, Egan, Cook, Stanley
OBrien, Holland

Rookies
Nicholls, Iaboucci, Cox, Toovey

National Draft picks
10 J.Selwood, Proud, or possibly Hislop even
28 N.Brown, Allen or Tippett
40 M.Brown or those listed below
44 N.Batsanis, D.McKay, D.Kelly, G.Moss, T.Boak
55 T.Goldstein
60 R.Eddy
76 J.Anderson

Note picks 40 and 55 would come from JC and Licca - may get a little better or worse. Indicative only.

Suggested Trades

Lonie for J.Kelly
J.Cloke for a pick around 40
Licuria for pick around 55

Just my thoughts - would appreciate constructive comment and to see something similar on other clubs.

 

[WakeUpPies]

These are just my thoughts

1. Tarrant won't be able to keep up on the wing, i think he would be far better off in the forward line, i also think it would be good for him and rusling to start their leads from the goal square.
2. i think C.Cloke isn't tall enough to start in the ruck, we need fraz there and C.cloke on the bench, ofcouse if we get everitt it would be a different story.

damn i forgot the last bit, i will be back once i can renember


Edit* i renember now

With holland and Didak out i think we need Iaccaboochi to fill holland's hole next year, as for didak i think egan

 

[Hells K1tch3n]

Great effort mate, but i personally think that j.cloke is worth more on the open market, dont listen to big footy trolls, teams will be interested in a 2nd/3rd backman... look at richards last year. I wouldnt trade lica if we're only getting pick 55, he's worth more to us than any kid we pick up. If anyone was interested in lica, id use him to get a trade up on our 3rd rounder or so, anything less and its not worth it.

Im seriously thinking of trading tarrant, he would have the most currancy out of any of our players and could net us our midfield for the next 10 years plus a kpp. Brisbane have got some good young midfield tallent, they have some good rucking tallent, apart from brown, they dont have much in the way of young forwards. A youngish key forward with finals experience, we could also throw in lonie as another youngish wingman.

We have to jump in on the aker deal somewhere to get the dogs pick, and brisbanes pick, get 3 top 15 picks in this years draft and we are set for the next 10 years.

 

[Jabso]

I agree with everything Snoop except:
Licuria - He is worth aobut 100 times the amount we'd offload him for.

Lonie - I'm not sure if you mean either delist him or trade him but we should seek to trade him for a good pick. Not just offload him to someone for a 4th round pick, even a 3rd round IMO. J.Kelly would be a good trade, but I doubt Geelong would go for it.

Tarrant - Very low chance of him becoming a good midfielder. Much better forward than a midfielder. You just need to give him more freedom. To do this you need someone to hold down full forward.

Also I think we should go best availble to an extent. If say Riewoldt drops to our pick and we think he is a better choice than Jetta who is the next best mid availble, take Riewoldt despite Jettas pace which people say we need. The thing is though, it looks like best availble around our pick will be mids anyway which is good.

 

[wookie]

yeah top work mate but i agree that you can't trade licca we still need a bit of passion and mm loves him

 

[Warwick]

Great effort mate, but i personally think that j.cloke is worth more on the open market, dont listen to big footy trolls, teams will be interested in a 2nd/3rd backman... look at richards last year. I wouldnt trade lica if we're only getting pick 55, he's worth more to us than any kid we pick up. If anyone was interested in lica, id use him to get a trade up on our 3rd rounder or so, anything less and its not worth it.

Im seriously thinking of trading tarrant, he would have the most currancy out of any of our players and could net us our midfield for the next 10 years plus a kpp. Brisbane have got some good young midfield tallent, they have some good rucking tallent, apart from brown, they dont have much in the way of young forwards. A youngish key forward with finals experience, we could also throw in lonie as another youngish wingman.

We have to jump in on the aker deal somewhere to get the dogs pick, and brisbanes pick, get 3 top 15 picks in this years draft and we are set for the next 10 years.

Just a couple of points - let go of the idea of Brisbane trading for Lonie. Other teams may choose to - that is their choice. After all the Brisbane players took the piss and voted Lonie as the toughest player in the game, it's fair to say they do not have a lot of respect for him.

And if you want 3 top 15 picks in this draft you have to offload someone with value. Tarrant will not be enough.

 

[HFF]

yehh very good in-depth analysis. I agree with the cam cloke situation as i'd give him another shot to be our 2nd ruckman to fraser and i think lonie for kelly would be good for both sides, yet i still think lonie is being used as a defender rather than a wingman so its touch and go with him. Probably would keep fanning at least instead of richards for some back up ruckman depth in case of injury and i like the sounds of getting a selwood, proud or even jetta in draft along with a batsanis or goldstein. Dunno if we can get any value out of licuria so i think he will be kept- but hope lies with j. cloke to get something in return. Next week, everything revolves around tarrant and what happens- it would be a big boost to our midfield if we got 1st rnd pick + rosa, yet a bit of a downer to our forward division. Overall, i seem to agree with your analysis and time will tell what will happen.

 

[Jabso]

Tarrant is not someone of value?
Hit the bricks junior.

 

[Warwick]

Tarrant is not someone of value?
Hit the bricks junior.

Is he worth 2 top 15 picks?

 

[Jabso]

Is he worth 2 top 15 picks?

Yes. Two top 20 picks at the least. You are kidding yourself if you think that every pick from 10-20 is going to reap a superstar. There will still be major bombs in this draft.

I have said this to many times but see the Nathan Thompson (who was twice as bad as Taz at the time), Hay, J.Rawlings, F.Watts, Ottens cases. KPPs with talent are worth their 90kgs+ in gold on the trade scene.

 

[Warwick]

Yes. Two top 20 picks at the least. You are kidding yourself if you think that every pick from 10-20 is going to reap a superstar. There will still be major bombs in this draft.

I have said this to many times but see the Nathan Thompson (who was twice as bad as Taz at the time), Hay, J.Rawlings, F.Watts, Ottens cases. KPPs with talent are worth their 90kgs+ in gold on the trade scene.

I have never believed that. I find it astonishing people refuse to give up quality picks to get a quality and proven player because they believe they are automatically going to get a 10 year superstar in the draft.

 

[Snoop Dog]

I agree with everything Snoop except:
Licuria - He is worth aobut 100 times the amount we'd offload him for.

Lonie - I'm not sure if you mean either delist him or trade him but we should seek to trade him for a good pick. Not just offload him to someone for a 4th round pick, even a 3rd round IMO. J.Kelly would be a good trade, but I doubt Geelong would go for it.

Tarrant - Very low chance of him becoming a good midfielder. Much better forward than a midfielder. You just need to give him more freedom. To do this you need someone to hold down full forward.

Also I think we should go best availble to an extent. If say Riewoldt drops to our pick and we think he is a better choice than Jetta who is the next best mid availble, take Riewoldt despite Jettas pace which people say we need. The thing is though, it looks like best availble around our pick will be mids anyway which is good.

I was suggesting Lonie be traded for J.Kelly in fact. I think it is a reasonable trade given Kelly could not get a game in a team that finished 10th! Lonie played every game in a team that finished 5th.

 

[King Woodie]

Yeah, good work Snoop. A few things i don't agree with though...

Tarrant won't be a good midfielder. He wouldn't get the ball on the deck enough and wouldn't have the tank to go the other way. I think his best possie is running up the ground from a flank, or secondly from deep in attack. I am hoping we can trade him realistically for at least a first round pick, and hopefully for a first rounder and a second rounder or first and Rosa (etc). Expecting two in the top 20 for him may be overly ambitious.

Second, I don't think Rusling will be a wingman/midfielder. He has pace, but that is all the moment. he is not that good below his knees, and is not agile/fit/hard working enough to become a wingman. They need more than just pace.

I would keep C Cloke for backup ruck and backup key forward duties. Richards hasn't proved he can hold it yet, and Fanning is done.

Also, I know that not many will agree here, but I don't like the idea of H Shaw going into the midfield. I believe that players are best playing in their positions. H Shaw could be a terrific full time half back/pocket rather than a half back playing midfield (in the Wirrupand, Wanganeen full time mould). Same for Thomas in the forwardline. I believe you should draft midfielders to play midfield, not doing it half way like putting Johnson, Didak, Davis, etc in there (except obviously for rotations.). Having said that, we have a good chance to draft a strong midfield.

If we could get a first round pick for tazza, I would like us to act as the following.

Pick 10 : Proud (or Selwood)
Pick 16ish (from Tarrant deal): Someone else for the midfield, ie Collard/Hislop
Pick 28: Probably a key tall (best available, front or back or even ruck.)
Pick 32ish (if we get another second rounder): Maybe even someone like Petterd if available, or Hurley, another mid with pace. If we don't get this pick, then hopefully we get a Rosa or something (not holding my breath).

Then we could be adding to our midfield stocks Proud, Collard, Hurley, from the draft, hopefully Nichols from rookie list (he has won me over with his pace, skill, and hardness) and hopefully "Irish" Clarke as well.

Not a bad five additions to build your team around, adding to the Thomas, Pendles, Egan, Shaw x 2, Johnson as outside players.

Then we will add Scott Reed, the NSW potential star the next year (although whether he will be a mid or a key defender yet to be seen.) If we can get another key forward (or back) the next year with our first, we are looking reasonably balanced.

Not bad.

 

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Collingwood strategy over the next few weeks

Thought I would have a go at what the Pie heirachy are thinking right now about the next couple of weeks. Encourage other posters to do the same on their sides.

Warning
I do not want every half bit tool slagging every suggestion I make - unless you are prepared to post your own strategy dont bother slagging off mine. Happy for constructive comment though.

Year in review

Pies were out of the blocks early and a quick game plan blew many sides off the park. Stoppages were king and playing on at all costs. Johnson and Shaw were doing the job up back and Rocca and Tarrant up front. The problems started when we realised Fraser cannot ruck for 22 rounds and Rocca after not playing last year lost fitness whilst Tarrant lost confidence. The mids also started to slow as their aging legs could not keep pace.

Beating the Grand Finalists and getting pretty close to Crows twice were the highlights.

All in all though - a significant improvement

Where are we at

I am not sure we are as close as some other clubs. I think we have an aging group of mids who Mick has taken to the well and needs change. Swan, Johnson, Thomas, Pendlebury, Lockyer and the Shaw boys are the future. Heaps of pace there. Our fwd line is terrific but it is also aging. Buckley must play fwd all year. We also need to plan for the retirement of Wakes, Prest and the slowing of Clement - albeit the latter two still have 3-4 yrs in them.

What are the problems

Inside and out mids as well as KPP up front.

Getting a Selwood or Proud in rd 1 would be terrific. Then look for Pies to go for Tippett, Brown boys, Allen around pick 2. Best available after that as long as they fit that type.

Who needs to improve

For me its Rusling being moved to a wing along with Tarrant, Swan taking the next step in the middle and H.Shaw coming in their as well. L.Davis being able to spend more time in the middle would be a bonus. A full preseason from Rocca might help get thru a season.

Who needs to be stepped into the side.

Anthony. Anyone that has seen this bloke knows he can play. Aggression in spades and a nice kick with good vision.

Would also like to see Ben Davies come into the side and become a run with player. He has the speed and can run lines when his confidence is up. Could be damaging with a years experience.

Cox and Nicholls have also shown signs they can play. Cox is particularly exciting and I know the club has been very happy with his development.


The hard questions

Tarrant - I am 50/50. If Pies decide to play him in the middle then he could be the recruit of the year in which case you would keep him. Play him fwd and maybe its best he goes.

Licuria - time to say goodbye. he should not be gtd of playing snrs next year and the kids must be promoted.

Cam CLoke - with Fanning and Hall going he must be kept.

Gardiner - guys has more problems than just his legs. Lets not say any more.

Everitt - possibly but Saints will take him.

Aka - Bullies fans must be crapping themselves after his performance last week. Aka will command a pick that getsd you a Higgins type. I'll take a Higgins every day. Not for us.

Who needs to go

Lonie - time has come for him to leave. He has had his best year and has currency so would trade him. Someone like Kelly at Cats would be a nice swap.

J.Cloke - love him but its clear he wants out. suggest he would get a pick around 40-60.

P.Licuria - as much as I love the bloke his time has come. Its not that he is the worst of the mids - just that we can still get service from a younger Holland and OB and Burns is to old. Licca may get you a latish pick.

Delist
Fanning, Rowe, Hall, Caracella, Morrison, Iaboucci (add to rookie)
Promote - OBrien

Our best 22

B Davies, Prestigiacomo, Anthony
HB H.Shaw, Clement, Maxwell
C C.Tarrant, D.Swan, S.Rusling
HF Didak, T.Cloke, J.Fraser
F Buckley, Rocca, Davis
Foll C.Cloke, Johnson
Rov OBree
Int R.Shaw, J.Kelly, Lockyer, Thomas

Depth
Iles, Walker, Pendlebury, Wakelin, Burns, Richards, Egan, Cook, Stanley
OBrien, Holland

Rookies
Nicholls, Iaboucci, Cox, Toovey

National Draft picks
10 J.Selwood, Proud, or possibly Hislop even
28 N.Brown, Allen or Tippett
40 M.Brown or those listed below
44 N.Batsanis, D.McKay, D.Kelly, G.Moss, T.Boak
55 T.Goldstein
60 R.Eddy
76 J.Anderson

Note picks 40 and 55 would come from JC and Licca - may get a little better or worse. Indicative only.

Suggested Trades

Lonie for J.Kelly
J.Cloke for a pick around 40
Licuria for pick around 55

Just my thoughts - would appreciate constructive comment and to see something similar on other clubs.

You wanna trade licca for pick 40???? are you insane? There are certain players you dont trade, and players like licca is what makes Collingwood what it is. he is the heart and soul of our club!

 

[Snoop Dog]

You wanna trade licca for pick 40???? are you insane? There are certain players you dont trade, and players like licca is what makes Collingwood what it is. he is the heart and soul of our club!

I love it when people say this. Malcolm Blight clearly had a different view when he took the reins at the Crows in the late 90's. Jarman, McDermott and McGuiness all went.......and look how it played out.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Yeah, good work Snoop. A few things i don't agree with though...

Tarrant won't be a good midfielder. He wouldn't get the ball on the deck enough and wouldn't have the tank to go the other way. I think his best possie is running up the ground from a flank, or secondly from deep in attack. I am hoping we can trade him realistically for at least a first round pick, and hopefully for a first rounder and a second rounder or first and Rosa (etc). Expecting two in the top 20 for him may be overly ambitious.

Second, I don't think Rusling will be a wingman/midfielder. He has pace, but that is all the moment. he is not that good below his knees, and is not agile/fit/hard working enough to become a wingman. They need more than just pace.

I would keep C Cloke for backup ruck and backup key forward duties. Richards hasn't proved he can hold it yet, and Fanning is done.

Also, I know that not many will agree here, but I don't like the idea of H Shaw going into the midfield. I believe that players are best playing in their positions. H Shaw could be a terrific full time half back/pocket rather than a half back playing midfield (in the Wirrupand, Wanganeen full time mould). Same for Thomas in the forwardline. I believe you should draft midfielders to play midfield, not doing it half way like putting Johnson, Didak, Davis, etc in there (except obviously for rotations.). Having said that, we have a good chance to draft a strong midfield.

If we could get a first round pick for tazza, I would like us to act as the following.

Pick 10 : Proud (or Selwood)
Pick 16ish (from Tarrant deal): Someone else for the midfield, ie Collard/Hislop
Pick 28: Probably a key tall (best available, front or back or even ruck.)
Pick 32ish (if we get another second rounder): Maybe even someone like Petterd if available, or Hurley, another mid with pace. If we don't get this pick, then hopefully we get a Rosa or something (not holding my breath).

Then we could be adding to our midfield stocks Proud, Collard, Hurley, from the draft, hopefully Nichols from rookie list (he has won me over with his pace, skill, and hardness) and hopefully "Irish" Clarke as well.

Not a bad five additions to build your team around, adding to the Thomas, Pendles, Egan, Shaw x 2, Johnson as outside players.

Then we will add Scott Reed, the NSW potential star the next year (although whether he will be a mid or a key defender yet to be seen.) If we can get another key forward (or back) the next year with our first, we are looking reasonably balanced.

Not bad.

Yeah I thought long and hard as to whether tazz could run the middle. I think is worth trying before cutting loose. He actually said earlier this year he would love to play mid. He is 26 so his body should be able to get their in a pre-season. Use him more like and Embley.

Rusling was actually drafted as a midfielder who could go fwd. I think he has the motor, the tackle pressure and the ability to run lines and hit targets. Worth a go.

Any of your recruits would be good.

 

[Nesian]

Yeah I like what you have done Snoop, very well done and i agree with all of it but like a few other people have to disagree with the licca issue, even though this wasnt his best year, there are still others i would love to get rid of before licca. And yeah you just dont get rid of players like licuria who give their all even if they are carrying an injury or down on form. I think licca will do whats best for the club and let youth come through, doesnt strike me as a selfish bloke.

 

[Magpies 2007]

Good work Snoop Dog

I rate Licca slightly ahead of Holland but would use both of them as trade bait as St kilda recognised with Grant Thomas who was the heart and soul of Stkilda ,you have to make the hard decisions for the team not the personality or the past.

To WIN finals we need to trade and improve not reminisce

J cloke is a good player down back but Mick doesnt like him so we also need to get something for him .

I think Fanning is worth keeping ,he is still youngish for a ruckman /basketballer very big ,can run and may develop as he gets older .

Guy richards is also another tall worth keeping this allows Josh to go F/Forward with Bucks oin a pocket ,Anthony at CHF ,Tarrant a roaming flank with Rusling on the other side exposing pace out wide to open up the lines for the carriers to have the option of the runner out wide or the tall in the square.

A Daniel Cross ,James kelly would be great swaps for Holland or Licca.

Hoping the pies have seen Varsamakis of Northern Knights as he is a gun ,tough as nails no one except me seems to talk him up and he is strong hard and looks a ready made mifdfielder who GETS the ball rather than receives the ball or tags the guys who do.

Footy is simple you either get it ,receive it ,or stop others getting it.

Holland is a stopper, Licca is a bit of the last 2 where as Obree ,Davis ,Johnson when he is on and Thomas , are in the number 1 category which os where the top sides mifdfielders are

West Coast - Judd Cousins Kerr (all getters)
Sydney - Kirk Boulton Okeefe

Other sides have Harvey,Ball STK, West and Cross at Bulldogs who are all getters ,the pies need one or 2 more of those to compliment our carriers who in my opiniion are some of the best in the AFL there is just not enough getters to feed them in space so we can use the Lonies,Buckleys Didaks Tarrants as much as we could

 

[north79]

why don't you swap

Tarrant for Judd and Kerr

Lonie for J. Brown and S.Black

J.Cloke for pick 1

C. Cloke for A.Goodes

Holland for Pick 2 and McPhee

Get real

Tarrant is pick 15 at best, Nathan Thompson is 6ft 5 and plays centre half forward not on the flank
Lonie is a early third round at best not J.Kelly
J. Cloke is a PSD pick at best
C.Cloke is a third to fourth round

Daniel Cross i wouldn't trade for tarrant or even Dale Thomas, Cross is a gun.

This is why collingwood don't trade players cause it bulls**t deals

 

[Magpie Phil]

why don't you swap

Tarrant for Judd and Kerr

Lonie for J. Brown and S.Black

J.Cloke for pick 1

C. Cloke for A.Goodes

Holland for Pick 2 and McPhee

Get real

Tarrant is pick 15 at best, Nathan Thompson is 6ft 5 and plays centre half forward not on the flank
Lonie is a early third round at best not J.Kelly
J. Cloke is a PSD pick at best
C.Cloke is a third to fourth round

Daniel Cross i wouldn't trade for tarrant or even Dale Thomas, Cross is a gun.

This is why collingwood don't trade players cause it bulls**t deals

One word, " HAY " Tosser piss off back to your board, Why can't you ferals leave us to discuss our team and what ever permutations we choose. For F**k sake we are not here to piss on your teams but discuss our own.

 

[Snoop Dog]

why don't you swap

Tarrant for Judd and Kerr

Lonie for J. Brown and S.Black

J.Cloke for pick 1

C. Cloke for A.Goodes

Holland for Pick 2 and McPhee

Get real

Tarrant is pick 15 at best, Nathan Thompson is 6ft 5 and plays centre half forward not on the flank
Lonie is a early third round at best not J.Kelly
J. Cloke is a PSD pick at best
C.Cloke is a third to fourth round

Daniel Cross i wouldn't trade for tarrant or even Dale Thomas, Cross is a gun.

This is why collingwood don't trade players cause it bulls**t deals

It must 'gut' you that your club is the joke all trades........you set the benchmark for 'pants pulled down'

 

[stevpsop]

Two issues here. You put Walker in the depth area. You have no credibility after that statement. He will go. Also batsanis will go in the first round

 

[goalpie]

why don't you swap

Tarrant for Judd and Kerr

Lonie for J. Brown and S.Black

J.Cloke for pick 1

C. Cloke for A.Goodes

Holland for Pick 2 and McPhee

Get real

Tarrant is pick 15 at best, Nathan Thompson is 6ft 5 and plays centre half forward not on the flank
Lonie is a early third round at best not J.Kelly
J. Cloke is a PSD pick at best
C.Cloke is a third to fourth round

Daniel Cross i wouldn't trade for tarrant or even Dale Thomas, Cross is a gun.

This is why collingwood don't trade players cause it bulls**t deals

No point swapping Tarrant for jack all because he is still contracted.

Wouldnt find anything interesting at North because all the decent players are old.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Two issues here. You put Walker in the depth area. You have no credibility after that statement. He will go. Also batsanis will go in the first round

Sorry - when I use the term depth i just mean who is left on the list.

Batsanis will be v unlikely to go first round.

 

[Presti_is_god]

Very harsh on Lica there. Agree that hes not what he used to be, But its a waste trading him for such a bad pick. He brings so much to the club off field too.