So cometh the day when...

[CoggaRules]

Looking at all the hoohaa about director of this and director of that and assistant coach, assistant to the assistant, defensive strategist, assistant elite performance assistant etc etc etc ****ing cetra, kind of think its all a bit of a get a job for the boys after footy type thing happening.
I mean, before we know it there will be 42 on a list and 38 assistants, directors, specialty assistants, overlords, underlords you name it a team will have them. Tipping its a bit of a feed on the cash cow going on.
When blind freddy knows all to well, if you aint got the cattle you aint got the ****ing cattle...and no director of sports performance, no assistant to the assistant special ops team etc etc is going to extract talent where it isnt...
I mean WTF is going on now? Everyone is hiring every tom and dick and harry, because the pies showed the way with their "structure"....the arizona shit and all that...well that structure amounted to 0 in the context of the GF and the team from sleepy hollow who have the cattle once again showed that its a simple game but you need talent to win it.

 

[Livonski]

Agreed. We need top quality cattle rustlers first. Have they beefed up (sorry) the recruiting department at all?

 

[dwwaino]

What so ridiculous about an assistant director of barista performance and grinding tactician?

 

[NQTIGER]

You should check out the assistant pa to the assistant barista and grinder.

 

[captain blood 17]

Looking at all the hoohaa about director of this and director of that and assistant coach, assistant to the assistant, defensive strategist, assistant elite performance assistant etc etc etc ****ing cetra, kind of think its all a bit of a get a job for the boys after footy type thing happening.
I mean, before we know it there will be 42 on a list and 38 assistants, directors, specialty assistants, overlords, underlords you name it a team will have them. Tipping its a bit of a feed on the cash cow going on.
When blind freddy knows all to well, if you aint got the cattle you aint got the ****ing cattle...and no director of sports performance, no assistant to the assistant special ops team etc etc is going to extract talent where it isnt...
I mean WTF is going on now? Everyone is hiring every tom and dick and harry, because the pies showed the way with their "structure"....the arizona shit and all that...well that structure amounted to 0 in the context of the GF and the team from sleepy hollow who have the cattle once again showed that its a simple game but you need talent to win it.

And this is why i love you big guy, ****ing spot on. This wonderful Collingwood model aint it's all cracked up to be. I mean, what we spend $20 mill to come 9th? I think there is still room for an organisational shake up. Jobs for the boys, absolutely. I bet Collingwood has a machine that goes "bing" too.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Last time I checked, it ain't the 70's, and the era of assistants just moving witches hats is gone.

The point of an assistant coach is to spend the time doing the stuff the senior coach doesn't have time to do.

They discussed this on sen this week, saying the talking to the players on match day is the fun stuff of being an assistant. It's the hours and hours spent coding games, reviewing things with individual players in minute detail ain't fun.

Also you cannot bitch about the clubs inability to properly develop players, but then bitch about having development coaches.

If you want the old days on one real coach, beers after the game for the players, and training being just a couple of sessions a week, the local leagues is probably more your cup of tea these days.

 

[RFC_Official]

What so ridiculous about an assistant director of barista performance and grinding tactician?

So you saw the video we did this year where the boys went to coffee school...

 

[NQTIGER]

Last time I checked, it ain't the 70's, and the era of assistants just moving witches hats is gone.

The point of an assistant coach is to spend the time doing the stuff the senior coach doesn't have time to do.

They discussed this on sen this week, saying the talking to the players on match day is the fun stuff of being an assistant. It's the hours and hours spent coding games, reviewing things with individual players in minute detail ain't fun.

Also you cannot bitch about the clubs inability to properly develop players, but then bitch about having development coaches.

If you want the old days on one real coach, beers after the game for the players, and training being just a couple of sessions a week, the local leagues is probably more your cup of tea these days.

Ahhhhhh the old days

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Last time I checked, it ain't the 70's, and the era of assistants just moving witches hats is gone.

The point of an assistant coach is to spend the time doing the stuff the senior coach doesn't have time to do.

They discussed this on sen this week, saying the talking to the players on match day is the fun stuff of being an assistant. It's the hours and hours spent coding games, reviewing things with individual players in minute detail ain't fun.

Also you cannot bitch about the clubs inability to properly develop players, but then bitch about having development coaches.

If you want the old days on one real coach, beers after the game for the players, and training being just a couple of sessions a week, the local leagues is probably more your cup of tea these days.

The good old days involved a few darts during 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 time chased down with a swallow of Stones to keep the body warm . Whilst training revolved around a rub on Tuesday night and a few beers/ bonding session on a Thursday night which often spilt into a 24 hour bender which concluded with the Friday night feast of a couple scotch chasers a T-bone and 3 veg . Aah they where the days !

 

[CoggaRules]

Ahhhhhh the old days

Yep...and you know what dude? the rest of the comp didnt go gaga and start doing it the tiger way, even though we kicked serious butt in the 70s. Now the scum win 1 lose 1 and all of a sudden, directors of elite sports performance are emerging....what a ****ing joke..Neil Craig must be laughing his arse off...getting paid all the bucks to put the "program" together...LMAO...and a few years down the track the dees will be hanging on by the skin of their teeth, rattling tins...just after the "erased" their debt, they blow it out again..

 

[peterbuch74]

Funny thing is that there are still going to be 8 teams who load up on this and that, spend millions on staff and still miss the finals.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Exactly Cogga . I for one would rather the club be a assistant down and the playing group have access to quality Australian grown Navel oranges rather than having to buy those cheap Vietnamese import Valencia's all year round.

Our young players need the proper nutrients right now rather than some washed up old 300 gamer running around telling them dick jokes and reliving past days and footy trips hiding behind a magnetic board and a laptop.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Actually didn't we start all this? Wasn't it Hafeys training regime that made our team fitter than the others?

 

[NQTIGER]

Actually didn't we start all this? Wasn't it Hafeys training regime that made our team fitter than the others?

Training

 

[CoggaRules]

Actually didn't we start all this? Wasn't it Hafeys training regime that made our team fitter than the others?

probably was. Thing is it was a coach's plan, i.e. run, work out, train, run work out train. Now of course the "director of elite sport performance" will undoubtedly plan out something completely different, seeing as he is a "director of elite sports performance"....what a load of BS. Craig saw them coming from a mile away.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

probably was. Thing is it was a coach's plan, i.e. run, work out, train, run work out train. Now of course the "director of elite sport performance" will undoubtedly plan out something completely different, seeing as he is a "director of elite sports performance"....what a load of BS. Craig saw them coming from a mile away.

Disagree again, it's all about volume.

In the old days, fitness was developed by basic drills, running laps, and weights. A couple of sessions a week, and that was it.

Now the players train most days a week. Ignoring skills, you have a lot more going on in both volume and intensity. Add to that new elements of nutrition, medical, and so on.

You now need someone full time to just handle the strength and conditioning work, where in the past the assistants would have managed it. With greater reliance on gps data, blood testing, medical analysis, and so on, you will eventually need full time specialists to manage these because the sheer volume of work needed to be done demands it.

We complain about our kids being skinnier than the cats, lacking the endurance of the cats, and lacking the strength of the cats. Compare our two set ups, and our club (until recently) has been competing with one hand tied behind it's back.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Disagree again, it's all about volume.

In the old days, fitness was developed by basic drills, running laps, and weights. A couple of sessions a week, and that was it.

Now the players train most days a week. Ignoring skills, you have a lot more going on in both volume and intensity. Add to that new elements of nutrition, medical, and so on.

You now need someone full time to just handle the strength and conditioning work, where in the past the assistants would have managed it. With greater reliance on gps data, blood testing, medical analysis, and so on, you will eventually need full time specialists to manage these because the sheer volume of work needed to be done demands it.

We complain about our kids being skinnier than the cats, lacking the endurance of the cats, and lacking the strength of the cats. Compare our two set ups, and our club (until recently) has been competing with one hand tied behind it's back.

That is exactly the point I was making about the oranges. It always comes back to nutrition or lack there of!

 

[captain blood 17]

The good old days involved a few darts during 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 time chased down with a swallow of Stones to keep the body warm . Whilst training revolved around a rub on Tuesday night and a few beers/ bonding session on a Thursday night which often spilt into a 24 hour bender which concluded with the Friday night feast of a couple scotch chasers a T-bone and 3 veg . Aah they where the days !

If you were lucky enough, Schnitzel night with gravy, or the old roast night.
Shit, i can recall games so cold, there may have been a couple of flasks passed around just to warm up.
Yep, i'm getting on in years.

 

[captain blood 17]

Exactly Cogga . I for one would rather the club be a assistant down and the playing group have access to quality Australian grown Navel oranges rather than having to buy those cheap Vietnamese import Valencia's all year round.

Our young players need the proper nutrients right now rather than some washed up old 300 gamer running around telling them dick jokes and reliving past days and footy trips hiding behind a magnetic board and a laptop.

You take that back. There will always be room for dick jokes. And what is this laptop you speak of. I have a piece of stone that i move rocks around, is there something better to use
And yes, Australian Valencias also double as a great mouthguard.

 

[nut]

Good thread....

Too many chiefs not enough Indians!!!

No disrespect to Chris Scott but the Geelong players coached them selves... The importance of creating a tight group is paramount and Chris Scott was able to fuel Geelongs culture of mateship and work ethic. This was Chris Scotts winning move...
No amount of assistants etc... is going to beable to instill that culture artificially.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Disagree again, it's all about volume.

In the old days, fitness was developed by basic drills, running laps, and weights. A couple of sessions a week, and that was it.

Now the players train most days a week. Ignoring skills, you have a lot more going on in both volume and intensity. Add to that new elements of nutrition, medical, and so on.

You now need someone full time to just handle the strength and conditioning work, where in the past the assistants would have managed it. With greater reliance on gps data, blood testing, medical analysis, and so on, you will eventually need full time specialists to manage these because the sheer volume of work needed to be done demands it.

We complain about our kids being skinnier than the cats, lacking the endurance of the cats, and lacking the strength of the cats. Compare our two set ups, and our club (until recently) has been competing with one hand tied behind it's back.

You make valid points however for all the medical , fitness/ conditioning and the like which is accustomed to all AFL sides you know decision making , game sense/ footy knowlege and will to win remain the 3 most important facets of a player . Forget sprint testing , leap testing , Buckley's shit kiking test , or Lloyds handball test ( who incidentally hardly ever handballed) . They are all unnecessary crap which as pointed out by the OP , are being emphasized on by ex players don't get a job , if a player doesn't have the football smarts and will to win they can run a 2.6 20 mtr , a .88 5 mtr leap 120cm ,beep 15.5 and a 7 sec agility and they'll still be NFG .
A great example of this jobs for mates( ex players ) mentallity is a program which has recently been endorsed by the AFL, kids attend a two day testing camp and IIRC pay $500 , this camp is being run all around Australia , last year this was ran and at one venue from what I was told had around 300 kids attend .
A nice weekend and I can assure left more than one family flabbergasted !
FWIW, do around 1000 Tests per year as per the AFL draft combine protocol , with the exact same equipment , on kids who have been chosen based on their football ability and for them I think it's fantastic as it adds what might be an additional edge for them to train toward, but to openingly take $$$$ off a child or parent without any knowledge what so ever of there football ability, IMO , is poor form and further using their past careers to cash in .

 

[NQTIGER]

You make valid points however for all the medical , fitness/ conditioning and the like which is accustomed to all AFL sides you know decision making , game sense/ footy knowlege and will to win remain the 3 most important facets of a player . Forget sprint testing , leap testing , Buckley's shit kiking test , or Lloyds handball test ( who incidentally hardly ever handballed) . They are all unnecessary crap which as pointed out by the OP , are being emphasized on by ex players don't get a job , if a player doesn't have the football smarts and will to win they can run a 2.6 20 mtr , a .88 5 mtr leap 120cm ,beep 15.5 and a 7 sec agility and they'll still be NFG .
A great example of this jobs for mates( ex players ) mentallity is a program which has recently been endorsed by the AFL, kids attend a two day testing camp and IIRC pay $500 , this camp is being run all around Australia , last year this was ran and at one venue from what I was told had around 300 kids attend .
A nice weekend and I can assure left more than one family flabbergasted !
FWIW, do around 1000 Tests per year as per the AFL draft combine protocol , with the exact same equipment , on kids who have been chosen based on their football ability and for them I think it's fantastic as it adds what might be an additional edge for them to train toward, but to openingly take $$$$ off a child or parent without any knowledge what so ever of there football ability, IMO , is poor form and further using their past careers to cash in .

What a great post PTF, in the old days most has been drifted into the pub game, because of the change of social streams, they do this.

Great work if you can get it

 

[Ned_Flanders]

You make valid points however for all the medical , fitness/ conditioning and the like which is accustomed to all AFL sides you know decision making , game sense/ footy knowlege and will to win remain the 3 most important facets of a player . Forget sprint testing , leap testing , Buckley's shit kiking test , or Lloyds handball test ( who incidentally hardly ever handballed) . They are all unnecessary crap which as pointed out by the OP , are being emphasized on by ex players don't get a job , if a player doesn't have the football smarts and will to win they can run a 2.6 20 mtr , a .88 5 mtr leap 120cm ,beep 15.5 and a 7 sec agility and they'll still be NFG .
A great example of this jobs for mates( ex players ) mentallity is a program which has recently been endorsed by the AFL, kids attend a two day testing camp and IIRC pay $500 , this camp is being run all around Australia , last year this was ran and at one venue from what I was told had around 300 kids attend .
A nice weekend and I can assure left more than one family flabbergasted !
FWIW, do around 1000 Tests per year as per the AFL draft combine protocol , with the exact same equipment , on kids who have been chosen based on their football ability and for them I think it's fantastic as it adds what might be an additional edge for them to train toward, but to openingly take $$$$ off a child or parent without any knowledge what so ever of there football ability, IMO , is poor form and further using their past careers to cash in .

No argument on the AFL combine tests, they are essentially just some generic tests to assess a kids fitness at one point of time, and nothing more.

What happens in a club is obviously very different.

On the draft camps, this was always gunna happen, and has been in place in the USA and UK for some time. Basically in an industry where 1-2% difference can mean the difference between being drafted and ignored, parents with cash will always pay to get their kids an advantage, be it real or just perceived. The main benefit I see from these is getting the kids familiar with what to expect on the day, so they are less nervously and less likely to choke. Don't think they actually make a player better (need more time to do that).

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

No argument on the AFL combine tests, they are essentially just some generic tests to assess a kids fitness at one point of time, and nothing more.

What happens in a club is obviously very different.

On the draft camps, this was always gunna happen, and has been in place in the USA and UK for some time. Basically in an industry where 1-2% difference can mean the difference between being drafted and ignored, parents with cash will always pay to get their kids an advantage, be it real or just perceived. The main benefit I see from these is getting the kids familiar with what to expect on the day, so they are less nervously and less likely to choke. Don't think they actually make a player better (need more time to do that).

I think it would be very fair to say NO AFL takes notice of the combine tests and is not the point I was trying to allude to .
The identification of a player before they reach an AFL club in Footy smarts and will to win is far more important than fitness or conditioning once they reach an AFL club .
The Use of ex players for conditioning , assistants assistants and so forth as stated by the OP is jobs for the boys , make no mistake about it !

 

[Kyusss]

im not even sure if this is serious so im not going to respond..