Autopsy Some promising signs but Hawks too good

[Del198236]

Hewett may be easy to replace but we haven’t managed to do it yet.


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Hewett - a defensive mid that couldn't really play wing and was terrible at half back, so was restricted to tagging and playing as a defensive inside mid.. Jordon can tag (very well) when needed and can also play inside and wing.
Rowbottom can play as that defensive inside mid.
So Hewett has been replaced twice, by younger, cheaper and less injury prone players

ps.. I liked Hewett - he gave 100%

 

[swanssince2002]

Hey if we won the premiership people would be lamenting a lot less about our current predicament.

Maybe this is the aftershock after getting pummelled in the GF.

Iirc there was a mixed reaction to getting Adams but almost universal praise after getting Grundy for cheap.

 

[Punts]

Cox is trying to win a flag here still and rightly so that's where we should be aiming .

Development year shouldn’t even be mentioned

 

[Dan87]

If we slip into a development/rebuild year all of a sudden it's a long way back because Heeney is a year older, Chad maybe loses the faith, Grundy a year older etc

Hopefully not the cluster f it appears to be and things are rolling in a bit

Up to the players ultimately

 

[WillHayward]

Blakey is a turnover merchant.

We still don't have a decent key back and haven't since Heath Grundy which is a long time ago now.

Under 23 yos we have almost nothing.. Cupboard is bare.

VFL team has been rubbish for a few years now which tells me the list is very shallow.

 

[The King!]

Blakey is a turnover merchant.

We still don't have a decent key back and haven't since Heath Grundy which is a long time ago now.

Under 23 yos we have almost nothing.. Cupboard is bare

Except for like one of the best players in the league under 23.

can't be too sad about losing a grand final if the sides that bad I guess

 

[Bloods86]

Collingwood were happy to let Grundy go and Melbourne decided Grundy want good enough to warrant carrying a second ruck.

Melbourne originally planned a dual Ruck system and then phased that idea out once they figured Grundy was actually a bit shit and couldn't play fwd.

Anyway its an opinion game and you think Grundy Adams and Jordan are decent AFL players .

My opinion is we are heading for a bottom out at the worst possible time while Tassie come in so a world of pain ahead.

We needed to go hard for Connor O'Sullivan but of course Geelong get him.

Beatson was drinking his own bathwater and too fixated on trying to uncover the unfashionable diamond in the rough so he could look like a genius rather than just playing the percentages.

Grundy played VFL because he's not a forward. Nothing to do with him not being an AFL level ruck. He showed this last year until we ran him into the ground.

Jordon is clearly a decent AFL level player, at minimum, given his age. This isn't really open to debate tbh.

I didn't mention Adams. He was the one I was least excited about.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Having 2 pick 5 and a pick 4 you would like to get a superstar there with 1 of them

Thats the killer right there and how premiership teams are created.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Grundy played VFL because he's not a forward. Nothing to do with him not being an AFL level ruck. He showed this last year until we ran him into the ground.

Jordon is clearly a decent AFL level player, at minimum, given his age. This isn't really open to debate tbh.

I didn't mention Adams. He was the one I was least excited about.

Jordan is a astounding recruit one of the best for us in a long time.

Grundy first half of 2024 was AA but on a multi year deal you need more of that hopefully.

Hamling why? No natural defenders and he cant get a game as a premiership defender :S? could free up Blakey but nup

Adams i didnt mind at all our midfield was to soft heading into 2024 was part of the 13-1 and then dropped for some reason.

 

[Deccas]

None of the outs excuses the lack of pressure and composure from those that played. Winning is an outcome of process and execution.

Florent is an immediate drop to the 2’s for mine. Send a message. No more excuses, zero footy IQ.

I think saying "winning is a outcome of process and execution" doesn't really line up with dropping a player who made mistakes at a crucial time rather than the other dozen or so players who made mistakes just as bad that didn't turn out to be as crucial.

If you want to drop players who make mistakes at big moments you'll get players
scared of the big moment.

Drop players who consistently fail to perform the role they are asked to play.

I don't think any droppings are necessary or likely from the performance.

Edited for some dog awful typos

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Blakey is a turnover merchant.

We still don't have a decent key back and haven't since Heath Grundy which is a long time ago now.

Under 23 yos we have almost nothing.. Cupboard is bare

Listen to willhayward as he speaks the truth. An uncomfortable truth but a truth nonetheless about Blakey. He leaks way too many goals through a combination of poor footy IQ and not enough body strength to be a KPD.

I would move him up the ground maybe CHF when Logan is back. I think he would impact the scoreboard plus not leak goals, there’s a 3 goal turnaround right there.

Hope Cox keeps experimenting. Blakey made AA on first half not second half of season form.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

I think saying "winning is a outcome of process and execution" doesn't really line up with dropping a player who made mistakes at a crucial time rather than the other dozrb playersmade mistakes just as bad that didn't turn out to be as crucial.

If you want to drop players who make mistakes at big moments you'lol get arscared of the big moment.

Drop players who consistently fail to perform the role they are asked to play.

I don't think any droppings are necessary or likely from the performance.

Those players sure did make mistakes but we ain’t going anywhere with Florent in the role he’s in. It’s not just this game, it happens way way too often with Ollie and IMO he’s had enough chances.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

After 463 posts no one seems to be pushing hard for Haydos return.

I’m not but thought others might.

 

[Deccas]

Those players sure did make mistakes but we ain’t going anywhere with Florent in the role he’s in. It’s not just this game, it happens way way too often with Ollie and IMO he’s had enough chances.

I think that's probably because you get frustrated by his mistakes more than others and notice them more.

I'm the same with Blakey, he gives up a goal or two a game kicking it straight to the opposition or running into someone getting caught.

But neither of them are really what cost us last night or last season. We got done because we jgot pushed off the ball and couldn't get the ball passed half way.

 

[The King!]

After 463 posts no one seems to be pushing hard for Haydos return.

I’m not but thought others might.

Cox won’t move Mccartin back, and rightly so , can’t give up his experiment one week in and Mccartin went ok.

So would we want McLean, Mccartin, Amartey forward ? Are we going back to three talls? Maybe , I don’t like Amartey having to go ruck personally, but also thought McLean was average at best last year.

If he wants to play like his 2023 final then bring him back.


I think Mccartin should go back. Free Blakey up, I will give Rampe more than one week to prove he isn’t ready to be pensioned off.

Then yeah maybe McLean in for Adams, and McLean second ruck, Hayward more of a target role.

If Grundy is actually still injured I’d push him out for Ladhams to get right.

The rest I am rolling out again

 

[Bloods86]

Jordan is a astounding recruit one of the best for us in a long time.

Grundy first half of 2024 was AA but on a multi year deal you need more of that hopefully.

Hamling why? No natural defenders and he cant get a game as a premiership defender :S? could free up Blakey but nup

Adams i didnt mind at all our midfield was to soft heading into 2024 was part of the 13-1 and then dropped for some reason.

Hamling would be ok if we didn't refuse to play him.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Also dont compare this group with Brisbane lot we dont have a ounce of their determination grit and resolve.

 

[Jack2Jack]

I'm not as against 3 talls as others.....but I don't like Amartey and McLean together. It's one or the other. McLean plays like a ruckman and Amartey is more of an Athlete type. While they're both capable forward you can't have 2 Key position forwards in one side who aren't natural in the position. You can take one as a forward/ruck but not both.

If it was McCartin with one of Amartey/McLean + McDonald I'm not against, it's a more mobile tall 3 than what we put out last year. For example if McDonald was playing over a flanker the other other night we would've lost nothing, we didn't gain any forward pressure being smaller. It also would've meant no midfielders in the ruck which was a ridiculous tactic that needs to be thrown in the bin immediately.
One the flipside though you'd hope McDonald can offer that up the ground connecter role which was a bit absent, 40 inside 50's is terrible. McCartin's a decent shot and goal so you want him marker/targeted deeper in the 50, not as big a fan of seeing him up the ground as his field kicking footskills are terrible...not want you want going into 50. Where as McDonald's kicking is a strength, think those 2 will compliment each other, but leaves you needing a 2nd ruck.

But unless they want to give Buller a go, 3 talls shouldn't even be considered until McDonald is genuinely fit and found form in the ressies. 2 of Amartey/McClean/Ladhams in the same side won't work. Amartey needs to be able to actually do the pinch hitting ruckwork with a 2 tall forward setup though.

 

[Bloods86]

Also dont compare this group with Brisbane lot we dont have a ounce of their determination grit and resolve.

Neither did the Lions until the 2023 finals series.

 

[caesar88]

Also dont compare this group with Brisbane lot we dont have a ounce of their determination grit and resolve.

With all due respect, how can you say this? It's been one game. Brisbane lost their first three games last year. I guess it took them two extra weeks to find their determination, grit and resolve?

 

[Bloods86]

After 463 posts no one seems to be pushing hard for Haydos return.

I’m not but thought others might.

Would help if the club gave us any info on the VFL practice match.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

With all due respect, how can you say this? It's been one game. Brisbane lost their first three games last year. I guess it took them two extra weeks to find their determination, grit and resolve?

Because when in the last 10 years have we shown the fight Lions did in 2023? against a rampant Pies side lost by a kick and a awful play on call.

2024 lost multiple players to season ending injuries fighting for a place in the 8 and won the flag from FIFTH.

They have the benefit of the doubt we dont

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Hewett may be easy to replace but we haven’t managed to do it yet.


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Oooooooo! George Hewett, replaceable or not? Discuss.

caesar88 - this one’s for you!

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Oooooooo! George Hewett, replaceable or not? Discuss.

caesar88 - this one’s for you!

Yes easily by Mills if he stops injuring himself

 

[caesar88]

Because when in the last 10 years have we shown the fight Lions did in 2023? against a rampant Pies side lost by a kick and a awful play on call.

2024 lost multiple players to season ending injuries fighting for a place in the 8 and won the flag from FIFTH.

They have the benefit of the doubt we dont

Brisbane showed a lot of resolve last year and they deserve credit for that. But at this time last year, they were just 0-1, same as we are right now.

You are nothing until you prove you're something.