Roast Spending cap

[theflea]

Yes and No. The AFL has vetoed it in the end but the bulldogs never really wanted it either. They only began exploring the option with any purpose last year. Before that when they were successful they told the cats no on several occasions. If they really wanted to play their they could. Two games a year with a 20k crowd would net them 750k per game and the AFL could move a Geelong home game to Etihad, maybe play cats v bullies at Kardina as a bulldogs home game so Cats still play a certain number of games down there and make us or melbourne or Carlton on a rotating bases play 1 game at Docklands. The reality is the bulldogs never really wanted it so never pressured the AFL, who admittedly didnt want it either.

I do agree with the cap on a Football Department and every club seems to agree also but disagree with the premise of a tax on club based revenue.



Yeah they really do need to fix this up. Not really sure what the Essendon and Carlton deals are or Melbourne Victory but these clubs make a small fortune out of Docklands and in particular Victory who get smaller crowds to games (I know the AFL is desperate to see this deal but Victory and Docklands management will not show it). Reality is though against both sell more memberships then the break even point of 28k (north are already ahead this in 2014) so its as much about their fans not showing up enough too. If you're getting 20-25k supporters there you should get over the break even point at games against most non-victorian teams if you're engaging your supporter base properly and against vic sides you should be getting crowds of min 40k. Now i'm not sure what you would make off that but if its not much then the AFL need to fix that before taxing other clubs.

To be fair, those figures your quoting are in todays dollars(with upgraded facilities, stands, capacity etc) and not what was offered or available back when it was initially offered.

 

[theflea]

I personally think a FD tax is a good idea, purely as if it isn't nipped in the bud now, it will get ridiculous. Not sure of the 50c in the dollar but the idea is ok by me. We aren't anywhere near it so it wont affect us at all.

 

[Bird Man]

imagien giving money to the club and then it going to the Demons .... i would loose my nut ... never will i stand for this

 

[sregit]

Sadly the AFLs greed has been the catalyst for the financial dilemma faced by a lot of clubs. We have seen the bigger and more supported clubs given more prime time and blockbuster games generating higher revenues and greater promotion, thus increased membership and sponsorship. Backed by the AFL.

The smaller and badly run clubs are given games at times that are unlikely to be of great interest. The difficulty arises in that these games generate little revenue and at times losses. No promotion of the club and little opportunity to quickly turn things around. These clubs of which Richmond was one only 5 years ago, become bottom feeders living off the scraps of others.

If the AFL wish to give all teams an equal footing/chance then it should fix other discrepancies such as the number of Friday and Saturday prime time games each side is allotted. Make sure all teams are given equal number of interstate games. Give the struggling clubs advantageous draws against good drawing sides to help them promote their brand and increase membership. Not more than their share but their fair share.

For too long Collingwood, Essendon etc have stolen more than their fair share of the limelight and thrown a few scraps to struggling clubs and then use equalisation as away of justifying a system that favoured them. They give a few extra dollars to the equalisation fund and say 'we support the lower clubs'. It is their way of insuring they get more than their share.

Equally clubs that find themselves struggling should strive to get their revenue and membership increased by hard work, brand promotion etc, but most of all by refusing the scraps of others and fighting for and demanding an equal playing field.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ent-spending-cap/story-fni5f22o-1226837623961

So the AFL have decided to bring in a spending cap, just as we work our way out of debt and become a powerhouse.

**** this shits me.

We worked extremely hard and put in a lot of effort to establish ourselves back as one of the Big 4, and to be able to spend big on Free Agents and our Football Department. And now, just as we get get to this position, the AFL decide they've had enough and want to close the gap between the top clubs and the lower clubs.

Where was this cap when we were ******* shithouse for 30 years and couldn't even afford proper training facilities?? Why weren't clubs giving us money to fund our Salary Cap and Football Department. But now, we start bringing in revenues and the AFL decides that we must share our revenue and give it to the poorer clubs who can't afford (through no fault of ours) to pay the maximum cap. These clubs have got themselves into trouble (read: Melbourne) by poor off-field decisions and poor on field product. Yet when we were in their position, who gave a **** about us? Not the AFL, that's for sure.

But hey, lets make the competition as even as possible so all 18 teams are the exact same and none of them are different. This is clearly done to enhance support for the game, as if every team is competitive then each team will have more supporters.

The other issue is expansion. The AFL brought in TWO new teams, when it couldn't even support the old 16 teams. So hey instead of helping fix the clubs who are struggling, lets bring in two new clubs and give them millions of dollars and the best draft picks. What a good idea! **** our old clubs. The future is in Western Sydney(!!!!!!!) and the Gold Coast.

Please leave ASAP Demetriou. Please.

It definitely sucks - especially the timing but I guess such is life as they say.

Funnily enough, this reminded me of a post I remember tugga sharing a few years back - one of Weaver's gems (he was before my bigfooty time but the words definitely resonate as a tiger supporter!).

Weaver had a terrific way with words. One day he described Essendon supporters and Richmond supporters like this:

Re: What All Tiger Fans Must Do!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobby8
You can all start again next week and have no painfull memorys of the tragic days gone by (since 81').I'm an essendon supporter ...

That is what an Essendon supporter could never understand. Most of you are victims of marketing, spin and hype and wouldn't know the first thing about supporting a real club. Lets see how you all go when the Bombers start losing and the theatre goers find somewhere else to go.

You see it is BECAUSE we have suffered since 82 that we will love our next premiership in a way that you will never understand. Essendon fans have been lowered out of a helicopter onto the peak of Everest. Richmond fans will have climbed all the way to the top under our own steam and have the scars to prove it.

When premiership number 11 comes along (hopefully in the new few seasons), it's things like this that will make the ultimate success even more special for us tiger folks. We've done it the hard way. Realised our mistakes, copped it on the chin and dug ourselves out of 30 odd years of mediocrity through nothing more than sheer determination, professionalism and generosity by all concerned with the Tiger army.

 

[Final Siren]

Richmond is forever juuuuust far enough ahead of the curve never to benefit from new rules.

AFL: ok no more clubs going broke we will share equalisation funds
RFC: Oh, that would have been handy when we were rattling tins to save the club... but never mind...

AFL: ok now priority picks
RFC: Could have done with some of that during the last 15 lean years! Ha ha! But oh well.

AFL: Collingwood pls stop dropping to the bottom of the ladder after Grand Finals. now only priority picks for two bad years in a row
RFC: Mmm, that would have helped us a lot as a perennial cellar dweller...

AFL: Carlton & Melbourne pls stop tanking to get picks ahead of Richmond, now we use discretionary system
RFC: ffs

AFL: clubs with money now pay tax
RFC: But we just... we just...

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Fwiw they won't stop the bigger clubs prospering , just an alteration in how it is done . Instead of increased salary it might change to increased opportunities or retirement packages .
I think the club and all supporters should be proud of the fact the club has come from the brink of despair with no assistance .
Sends a clear message , despite the circumstances the club is dealt .

RFC will survive and prosper .

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Fwiw they won't stop the bigger clubs prospering , just an alteration in how it is done . Instead of increased salary it might change to increased opportunities or retirement packages .
I think the club and all supporters should be proud of the fact the club has come from the brink of despair with no assistance .
Sends a clear message , despite the circumstances the club is dealt .

RFC will survive and prosper .

As opposed to Melbourne.

Get $1.5m to sack their crap coaches, and whats their next strategy to rebuild their club?

They have some great and loyal supporters, but this club and its sense of entitlement is beginning to shit me to no end

 

[Groupie_]

Just merge them with norf or hawforn

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Just merge them with norf or hawforn

but but but

1) they were the first club

2) they ARE the MCG (one of them just posted this last week)

3) they were uber powerful before the VFL let other clubs use the MCG, because this was so important to them being popular

If your only reason to exist is 1) we is old, 2) we were here first, and 3) people only liked us once because it was the only way to watch footy at the MCG, something says its time to think again

 

[Groupie_]

but but but

1) they were the first club

2) they ARE the MCG (one of them just posted this last week)

3) they were uber powerful before the VFL let other clubs use the MCG, because this was so important to them being popular

If your only reason to exist is 1) we is old, 2) we were here first, and 3) people only liked us once because it was the only way to watch footy at the MCG, something says its time to think again

Lol @ the douche on the main board comparing their crowds to ours. "Don't act like you've been selling out the G for 10 years"

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Lol @ the douche on the main board comparing their crowds to ours. "Don't act like you've been selling out the G for 10 years"

when was the last time we had less than 15k rock up to a game at the G? w***ers

 

[pebblestone]

2) they ARE the MCG (one of them just posted this last week)

If only they could fill it..... even half way.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

If only they could fill it..... even half way.

apparently they used to, before no one else could play there

since that changed, people would rather go there and support teams that aint melbourne, so they are discriminated against

 

[pebblestone]

So let's say Collingwood decide they are not willing to prop up the other clubs by continuing to grow their FD spend.
1.) What do they do with all their excess profit? Money fights are fun and all but seriously...
2.) Where is the incentive for them to follow the AFL model and maximise growth? Can't spend their excess on their core business, so what do you do with it? Broadening focus from footy results onto other areas may negatively impact their on field performance?

Just spitballing.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Enjoyed reading this thread and I started a similar one on the Hawks board. I think for the equalization our clubs are in a similar position. Out clubs were once in a poor position (us about to merge with Melbourne and you flat broke as I understand) and the AFL weren't willing to do jack shit to help us but now we have got our act together to become powerhouses, the AFL wants to tax us to help prop up the smaller clubs

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

I understand the need to help the poorer clubs in the AFL but at the same time where is the incentive to make sure they do the right thing instead of relying on hand outs? If these poor clubs know at the end of a year they can just put their hands out how the hell is this going to force them to make the right decisions?

Ill also have this to say and I know it hasn't happened yet but the day my membership money partly ends up at another club is the day ill turn my back on the AFL. My membership is for Richmond not a shit club like Footscray or Melbourne.

 

[Tigers69]

not to mention the best CHF to play the game.

Calcium Man while I really appreciate your work here you should be give a life time ban for the above . Reason? Two words. First is Royce and the second is Hart.

 

[Happytigerlove]

So what does this mean? .I always buy my supporter gear from the tiger den cause the club gets a cut, now does this mean that the poorly mangered demons will get a cut. If so ill just buy cheap knock offs next time. Dont wanna give that charity case any of my money

 

[Groupie_]

If we have to give money to Melbourne and norf I'll personally go and rob it back off them and leave it on the punt rd doorstep

 

[rfctiger90]

I like to think I played a part in this