St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first / second round pick via their NGA access

[Atomboy]

It is curious that the saints whinge about a system they benefit from. You’d think they’d refuse to take any nga talent if they were so disgusted by academies. It’s a sad world we live in.

 

[Elixuh]

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Take a stance for once Sainters. Don’t howl from the bleachers. Take action. Seize the day.

 

[Atomboy]

Take a stance for once Sainters. Don’t howl from the bleachers. Take action. Seize the day.

If you just used that meme as your BF profile pic it would make it easier for everyone.

 

[littlecreatures]

If you want to perceive it that way. I think what really happened was some members of the media like Jon Ralph noticed Fincher could be a bolter in this year's draft after several strong performances for Vic Metro, Sandringham and Brighton Grammar in May/June. If you get named in the bests for Vic Metro in the first game of the national championships like Fincher did, then people are going to take notice and explore the possibility of you being a first round pick. That's when Ralph and co jumped on to share the story about St Kilda having NGA access to a potential first round pick.

If that form had continued, then I'd say it's very likely Fincher would have been bid on with a first round pick. We now know the form didn't continue and there wasn't much hype around Fincher from July onwards because he was no longer performing at a high level. The same thing happened to Collingwood's F/S prospect Tom McGuane, who had a great bottom age season and was seen as a very likely first round pick this year, but didn't even end up getting drafted at all. These things happen and you can only base your opinion on the information you have available at the time.

Jon Ralph consistently has a negative view and bias towards the club. He’s hardly a beacon of wisdom and insight.

If we’re being completely objective and non biased, Jon Ralph is the last person you’d hang your hat on for a thread like this. His MO is exactly as yours is, to prematurely paint hypocrisy towards Saints.

 

[jumperfan]

It wasn't just one article/author. Go back and read the article linked in the OP or have a look at these quotes attributed to Jon Ralph from a Fox Footy broadcast:


So both the article author and Jon Ralph were suggesting that Fincher was considered by some to be a late first/early second round prospect at the time and Ralph went as far as to say it on the Midweek Tackle broadcast. Are you going to hound Jon Ralph until he admits he was wrong about Fincher and shouldn't be sharing 'ragebait' information on a Fox Footy broadcast or do you accept that what he said in June isn't really relevant to what we found out in November?

Ah yes, renowned draft watcher Jon Ralph

 

[westie]

Nah mate. Your president made sure clubs will pay 'fair' price for priority access and that means picks beyond 55 have no value when it comes to matching bids. So if Fincher is bid on with, say, pick 15 in the draft, then that equates to 1112 points. Apply the 10% NGA discount and St Kilda will need to have enough 2025 picks to cover the required 1000 points in order to match the bid. St Kilda's natural second (23) and third round (41) picks won't be enough to cover the required points and fourth round picks don't hold any value anymore.

Further complicating the problem is the Saints traded away their 2025 second round pick last year so they're approximately 780 points short of matching a bid for Fincher (as it stands) and that's the equivalent of pick 19. That's assuming Fincher is bid on at pick 15 - if he's bid on earlier in the draft then it gets really diffcult for the Saints and they may have to trade away their natural pick 5 or give away several future draft picks.

So get ready for your club to engage in plenty of point accumulating trades this year. You're either going to lose picks, players or maybe even both in order to keep Fincher. Just remember you can thank your president when you're reviewing some of the confusing/one-sided trades that your club will complete later this year.

Thanks for your learned insight. You need to learn about conciseness

 

[GC2015]

Jon Ralph consistently has a negative view and bias towards the club. He’s hardly a beacon of wisdom and insight.

If we’re being completely objective and non biased, Jon Ralph is the last person you’d hang your hat on for a thread like this. His MO is exactly as yours is, to prematurely paint hypocrisy towards Saints.

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I (and Jon Ralph in this instance). FWIW I don't think it's a stretch to suggest a player named in the bests for Vic Metro could be viewed as a potential first round pick. You have to be a pretty good player to be named in the bests for Vic Metro. Now, did Jon Ralph jump the gun a little early by basing it on three strong performances in the National Championships/APS competition? He probably did, but like I stated before, if that form had continued for the rest of the season then I'm confident that a first round bid would have come through for Fincher.

Thanks for your learned insight. You need to learn about conciseness

Cheers mate. I think I'll just continue living life the way I want to live it and you can do the same

 

[BrutThough]

It is curious that the saints whinge about a system they benefit from. You’d think they’d refuse to take any nga talent if they were so disgusted by academies. It’s a sad world we live in.

What exactly is curious about it? The clubs argument has been that clubs aren't paying fair value for academy players at the very top of the draft. That a finalist using a bunch of later picks to match a bid at pick 4 is not fair since no club would accept those picks in a trade for pick 4 and that it makes a mockery of the draft as the equalisation method that it is suppose to be.

How is matching a bid on one of the last players drafted in anyway related a stance on what is happening in the first round?

 

[The Punter]

I love the "if you criticise the rules, you must not play by the rules" argument.

I like the way Snrub thinks.

 

[Warhorse]

St kilda were right all along

 

[Mat Mann]

St kilda were right all along

far easier to hate on the messenger than the message

 

[Dogflogger]

St kilda were right all along

of course they were, thats why there was so much backlash from AFL media writers and fans of 3-4 AFL clubs.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

This thread is what you would term a classic backfire .... meanwhile GC take 4 Academy players in the top 20 and that was after trading for Petracca