Stat stuffing is occasionally justified

[Squeak]

Orlando today defeated Washington 108-99.

Tracy McGrady sank 62 points.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Occasionally being the operative word.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

"In his post-game interview he declared himself this season's scoring average champion."

He must be so proud.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
"In his post-game interview he declared himself this season's scoring average champion."

Do these players realise that this is a team game not an individual ride to glory??????

 

[Showbag]

I bought a pair of TMAC 3 last month, while I was on holiday in Bali. I was half expecting them to come with a palm pilot where you record your game by game stats. Alas, it seems I was duped, I still can't shoot, but I have developed some natty back pain, so I guess they are the real deal.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Squeak


Tracy McGrady sank 62 points.

and in unrelated news Chicago hit 65

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18


Do these players realise that this is a team game not an individual ride to glory??????

If McGrady felt it was a team game he'd still be in Toronto would he not?

 

[Borgsta]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18


Do these players realise that this is a team game not an individual ride to glory??????

You do realise that his team are last because of the rest of his teams inability to play basketball.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Borgsta
You do realise that his team are last because of the rest of his teams inability to play basketball.

And of course nothing whatsoever to do with McGrady's selfishness, arrogance and lack of leadership.

 

[Borgsta]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
And of course nothing whatsoever to do with McGrady's selfishness, arrogance and lack of leadership.

You obviously watch a lot of Magic games he would average at least 10 dimes a game if other ppl could hit shots. This was prolly shown well yesterday, when Howard (10-16)shot well and TMac got 8 assists. Today Howard went 5-19, Stevenson 3-10, Lue 4-14, so he had to carry the team yet again.

Arrogance, well Im sure half the players in the league arent arrogant.

Leadership, we have discussed and i already said i agree with you. Slowly and i mean slowly getting better though.

 

[Borgsta]

You also fail to mention that the comment TMac made was actually said as a joke. Here are some other comments he made after the games.

I really didn't enjoy it, but I should have. Usually when I have a big game like this, the crowd is going crazy and I like getting into it with them, but I didn't feel it tonight.

I couldn't get into it because of the record we have, the fact we're not going nowhere after the regular season -- it's just frustrating.

When it's all said and done, this will just be one of 82 games in the book. Just close the book and that's it. There's nothing to be said except get ready for next season

Clearly the words of someone who doesnt care about the team

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Lots of rolleyes, very little substance.

McGrady's history speaks for itself.............

 

[jerry springer]

great player,who still thinks he is over-rated?

 

[Portmanteau]

Watching McGrady yesterday, it is very evident he can play team basketball, when he wants to. However, he clearly doesn't see the problems with taking 10+ 3-pointers in many of his games. He is capable of playing team ball, I just don't think he sees the value in doing so. He's only what, 24? So he should learn this in the future. Particularly when he realises that his current tact isn't really taking his team to the promise land, and that is the basis by which all players are judged.

Further, you simply can't say McGrady doesn't have a supporting cast. The media (notably Wilbon and Kornhauser) love to point out that Grant Hill's injury means that the Magic are basically playing a team put together at 15 million under the salary cap - but how many teams could manage to have Juwan Howard, Drew Gooden, DeShawn Stevenson, Keith Bogans, Reece Gaines, Zaza Pachulia, Tyronn Lue - with said 15 million handicap. Two of those guys are 16/8 players, and the remainder are certainly talented. Allen Iverson would kill for one 16/8er (possibly drive-by style).

Thus, it comes down to McGrady's to let his teammates actually operate. They are talented, yes, but he thinks he has to do it all. Substitute McGrady with a healthy Grant Hill, and we'd be talking about this team as a contender for the East. Bottom line is, McGrady has to realise that his teammates are capable, very capable, and he doesn't have to take the entire load of the franchise on his back.

 

[Borgsta]

Bresh, good post. You make some very valid points.

For me getting Howard was a mistake, already had a guy who could play PF in Gooden. Getting Howard has meant a backward step for Gooden and when they tried to play him at SF, like Memphis did last year, he wasnt effective. This helped cause the horrible start. Grants injury I dont care about, he has never played so it doesnt really matter. The only injury that has hurt this year is Garrity, the Magic have relied on a 3pt game for the last 4 years and herein lies the problem. McGrady never used to shoot 10+ 3 pointers a game, as he had Garrity, Giricek (who shot awful this year with the Magic, and Armstrong) Now they have literally no one who can shoot the 3 ball.

In the very capable players list, you have mentioned 3 rookies, 2 of which dont get any game time. Bogans is going to be a very good role player in this league, esp if he can fix his release with shots. Stevenson we just recently acquired, and he has played some nice games. Lue isnt a true point guard, and you could see the improvement in team play when Strickland was at the Magic.

Its good to actually discuss something instead of just saying "no substance" then replying with "McGradys history speaks for itself" without giving any substance to your own comment. So once again, good post Bresh

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Memphis never tried to get Gooden to play the 3.

We knew he was a 4, and played him as such (which meant Gasol played plenty in the pivot).

After persisting with that for a while, we realised that we were better of playing Pau in his natural spot, with Lo Wright in the middle, so we traded Gooden.

We never tried to make Gooden a SF, that would be plain silly (probably why Orlando are attempting it).

 

[Borgsta]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
After persisting with that for a while, we realised that we were better of playing Pau in his natural spot

Which is why u guys should have never drafted him.

I was fairly certain he played a few games at 3, but not certain enough to argue with a Memphis fan. I read it on a lot of msg boards last year when the trade happened. I think there was an article with his dad saying something about it aswell. However i never saw any of it.

 

[Borgsta]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
We never tried to make Gooden a SF, that would be plain silly (probably why Orlando are attempting it).

Watch your tenses mate. attempted to do it

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I remember when he declared it was time for him to step up and prove himself against Baron "two triple doubles in the series win" Davis and the Hornets in the first round a couple of seasons ago.

I remember when he called the series over as the Magic held a 3-0 lead against the Pistons last season.

Injuries or not, that team still has had enough talent available to them this season to be a playoff contender in the East. Instead they have the worst record in the league and lack a leader. For all of McGrady's skill, of which there is an abnormal amount of, he has a heart the size of a pea.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Memphis never tried to get Gooden to play the 3.

We knew he was a 4, and played him as such (which meant Gasol played plenty in the pivot).

After persisting with that for a while, we realised that we were better of playing Pau in his natural spot, with Lo Wright in the middle, so we traded Gooden.

We never tried to make Gooden a SF, that would be plain silly (probably why Orlando are attempting it).

Spot on, if Memphis wanted a small forward they would have drafted Caron Butler.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Bresh
Watching McGrady yesterday, it is very evident he can play team basketball, when he wants to. However, he clearly doesn't see the problems with taking 10+ 3-pointers in many of his games. He is capable of playing team ball, I just don't think he sees the value in doing so. He's only what, 24? So he should learn this in the future. Particularly when he realises that his current tact isn't really taking his team to the promise land, and that is the basis by which all players are judged.

Further, you simply can't say McGrady doesn't have a supporting cast. The media (notably Wilbon and Kornhauser) love to point out that Grant Hill's injury means that the Magic are basically playing a team put together at 15 million under the salary cap - but how many teams could manage to have Juwan Howard, Drew Gooden, DeShawn Stevenson, Keith Bogans, Reece Gaines, Zaza Pachulia, Tyronn Lue - with said 15 million handicap. Two of those guys are 16/8 players, and the remainder are certainly talented. Allen Iverson would kill for one 16/8er (possibly drive-by style).

Thus, it comes down to McGrady's to let his teammates actually operate. They are talented, yes, but he thinks he has to do it all. Substitute McGrady with a healthy Grant Hill, and we'd be talking about this team as a contender for the East. Bottom line is, McGrady has to realise that his teammates are capable, very capable, and he doesn't have to take the entire load of the franchise on his back.

In a nutshell my friend.

Borgsta, read, then read some more and learn.

 

[Portmanteau]

West is a student of the "best player available" method. If it creates a log-jam, the idea is the talent found (in the competition for the spot) will be greater than that of a complacent player playing a position without a jam. Also, when it becomes evident who is the man for the job, you have a valuable trading chip. In this instance, the Grizzlies landed Mike Miller, and I'd say they're fairly happy.

 

[Portmanteau]

Another instance of best player available: Dwyane Wade. Turned out nicely, did it not.

 

[Portmanteau]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
"In his post-game interview he declared himself this season's scoring average champion."

He must be so proud.

"I really didn't enjoy it, but I should have,'' McGrady said. "Usually when I have a big game like this, the crowd is going crazy and I like getting into it with them, but I didn't feel it tonight.

"I couldn't get into it because of the record we have, the fact we're not going nowhere after the regular season -- it's just frustrating.''

 

[Borgsta]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
In a nutshell my friend.

Borgsta, read, then read some more and learn.

did u not read my reply?

take ur own advice.

u do realise that the Magic still lost that game, where he played team ball. At the end of the day it comes down to defence, and the magic have none. something howard certainly doesnt have.