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Great stats Daicos35, in many respects being a Cats fan of my age (57), I've probably seen the most thrilling and exhilarating footy from the Cats in this timeframe. I think starting from the 104 pt win over Sth in 1976, I've been alive for about 30-31 of the 100+ point wins, plus all of Geelong's top 20 or so scores. It was only in 1987 when Geelong kicked 29.10.184 vs Fitzroy that the long standing highest score against Essendon (174) in 1936 was exceeded. According to AFL tables, the Cats now have 20 scores of 175+ now, including all the 200-point games and all bar one of the 150+ point wins. All those scores have happened since that 1987 game.

May not have always won a Flag, but reckon many sides would be happy with what Geelong has dished up since the start of the 80's, and especially since '89.

The Pies huge win over St.Kilda in Rd 4 1979, 178 points, exceeded later that season by Fitzroy smashing the Demons 36.22.238 vs 6.12.48 at VFL park. Hard to believe that two of the highest margins of all time would come in the one year.

It's also amazing to think that approximately 25 or so games before holding the 1993 cup aloft, Essendon were massacred by Hawthorn by 160 points!
 

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Was this the lowest scoring round on average since Covid reduced quarters?

yeah ! even beating some 2020 rounds
| year | round | avg_total_score | first_match_date | match_count |
| ---- | ----- | --------------- | ---------------------- | ----------- |
| 2020 | 15 | 99.50 | 2020-09-01 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2020 | 13 | 106.44 | 2020-08-21 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 8 | 111.44 | 2020-07-23 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 12 | 113.22 | 2020-08-13 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 6 | 116.00 | 2020-07-09 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 16 | 117.25 | 2020-09-05 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2020 | 3 | 118.13 | 2020-06-18 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2020 | 17 | 118.89 | 2020-09-10 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 4 | 119.56 | 2020-06-25 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 18 | 120.22 | 2020-09-17 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 10 | 121.29 | 2020-08-03 00:00:00+00 | 7 |
| 2020 | 5 | 123.22 | 2020-07-02 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 13 | 125.75 | 2025-06-05 00:00:00+00 | 8 | DING DING
| 2020 | 7 | 126.11 | 2020-07-16 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 11 | 129.38 | 2020-08-08 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2020 | 14 | 130.50 | 2020-08-27 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2020 | 9 | 131.22 | 2020-07-29 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 2 | 132.67 | 2020-06-11 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 17 | 136.44 | 2021-07-08 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2020 | 1 | 138.33 | 2020-03-19 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 15 | 141.00 | 2021-06-24 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 14 | 142.60 | 2021-06-18 00:00:00+00 | 5 |
| 2022 | 13 | 146.83 | 2022-06-09 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2021 | 16 | 148.22 | 2021-07-01 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 21 | 150.33 | 2021-08-06 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 12 | 152.00 | 2022-06-03 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2025 | 8 | 152.78 | 2025-05-01 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 8 | 153.11 | 2024-05-02 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 9 | 154.11 | 2021-05-14 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 13 | 154.63 | 2024-06-06 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2022 | 8 | 155.00 | 2022-05-06 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 11 | 155.00 | 2023-05-26 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 9 | 155.22 | 2024-05-09 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 3 | 155.56 | 2023-03-30 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 13 | 155.86 | 2021-06-10 00:00:00+00 | 7 |
| 2023 | 8 | 156.11 | 2023-05-05 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 4 | 156.44 | 2021-04-08 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 16 | 156.89 | 2023-06-29 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 20 | 157.00 | 2021-07-30 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 22 | 157.22 | 2024-08-09 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 22 | 157.78 | 2021-08-13 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 22 | 158.00 | 2022-08-12 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 5 | 158.22 | 2021-04-15 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 18 | 158.67 | 2021-07-15 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 18 | 159.00 | 2022-07-15 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 4 | 159.33 | 2024-04-04 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 3 | 159.88 | 2024-03-28 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2023 | 10 | 160.11 | 2023-05-19 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 9 | 160.44 | 2022-05-13 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 18 | 160.67 | 2023-07-13 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 6 | 160.78 | 2022-04-22 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 4 | 161.00 | 2022-04-07 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 15 | 161.83 | 2023-06-22 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2025 | 3 | 162.13 | 2025-03-27 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2021 | 8 | 162.22 | 2021-05-07 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 12 | 162.29 | 2025-05-29 00:00:00+00 | 7 |
| 2024 | 20 | 163.00 | 2024-07-26 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 2 | 163.11 | 2022-03-24 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 20 | 163.78 | 2022-07-29 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 0 | 164.00 | 2025-03-07 00:00:00+00 | 2 |
| 2024 | 16 | 164.33 | 2024-06-28 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 9 | 164.78 | 2025-05-08 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 6 | 164.78 | 2025-04-17 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 4 | 165.00 | 2025-04-03 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2023 | 21 | 165.00 | 2023-08-04 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 10 | 165.11 | 2025-05-15 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 17 | 165.44 | 2022-07-07 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 23 | 165.44 | 2021-08-20 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 19 | 165.67 | 2023-07-21 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 19 | 165.78 | 2021-07-23 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 24 | 166.00 | 2023-08-25 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 11 | 166.00 | 2024-05-23 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 6 | 166.22 | 2021-04-23 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 17 | 166.22 | 2023-07-06 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 13 | 166.75 | 2023-06-08 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2024 | 5 | 167.25 | 2024-04-11 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2021 | 10 | 167.56 | 2021-05-21 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 2 | 167.67 | 2021-03-25 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 11 | 167.89 | 2021-05-28 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 23 | 168.00 | 2022-08-19 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 9 | 168.00 | 2023-05-12 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 1 | 168.33 | 2024-03-14 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 6 | 168.44 | 2023-04-21 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 23 | 168.78 | 2023-08-18 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 0 | 169.00 | 2024-03-07 00:00:00+00 | 4 |
| 2022 | 16 | 169.33 | 2022-06-30 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 3 | 169.33 | 2022-03-31 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 7 | 169.33 | 2021-04-30 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 15 | 169.44 | 2022-06-23 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 1 | 169.78 | 2021-03-18 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 10 | 169.78 | 2022-05-20 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 2 | 170.22 | 2023-03-23 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 11 | 170.33 | 2022-05-27 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 23 | 170.33 | 2024-08-16 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 18 | 170.67 | 2024-07-12 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 7 | 171.00 | 2022-04-29 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 14 | 171.67 | 2022-06-16 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2021 | 12 | 171.83 | 2021-06-04 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2023 | 14 | 172.00 | 2023-06-15 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2024 | 10 | 172.33 | 2024-05-16 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 21 | 172.44 | 2024-08-02 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 6 | 172.63 | 2024-04-18 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2023 | 22 | 172.67 | 2023-08-11 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 20 | 173.89 | 2023-07-28 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 17 | 173.89 | 2024-07-05 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 1 | 174.00 | 2023-03-16 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 19 | 174.22 | 2022-07-22 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 7 | 174.44 | 2023-04-28 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2023 | 4 | 174.78 | 2023-04-06 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 12 | 175.14 | 2024-05-30 00:00:00+00 | 7 |
| 2024 | 7 | 175.33 | 2024-04-24 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 1 | 175.89 | 2022-03-16 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2021 | 3 | 176.22 | 2021-04-01 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 11 | 176.22 | 2025-05-22 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 19 | 176.44 | 2024-07-19 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 5 | 178.33 | 2022-04-14 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 7 | 178.33 | 2025-04-24 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 24 | 178.56 | 2024-08-23 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2022 | 21 | 178.67 | 2022-08-05 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 2 | 179.25 | 2024-03-21 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2025 | 2 | 179.63 | 2025-03-20 00:00:00+00 | 8 |
| 2023 | 5 | 179.67 | 2023-04-13 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2025 | 1 | 185.00 | 2025-03-13 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
| 2024 | 15 | 186.00 | 2024-06-21 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2023 | 12 | 188.29 | 2023-06-02 00:00:00+00 | 7 |
| 2024 | 14 | 191.00 | 2024-06-14 00:00:00+00 | 6 |
| 2025 | 5 | 192.67 | 2025-04-10 00:00:00+00 | 9 |
 
A couple more to bring some life back into this thread:

  • Carlton and NM play each other this week after both teams played in Perth last week. I can't recall that happening too many times in the past, if at all. Melbourne & WB played each other in the opening round of 2022 after they played the 2021 Grand Final in Perth but that doesn't count because it's not in consecutive weeks.

  • We're at round 14 and the WB are currently outside the top eight, yet they're third favourite for the premiership. I can't ever recall that happening in the second half of the season.
 
Richmond wooden spoon teams have created some interesting stats over the years:

1987 - Richmond's 76-point victory over St Kilda is the biggest win ever by a wooden spoon team. It beats the 75-point win by St Kilda in 1983 - over Richmond.
1989 - Richmond kick the highest ever score by a wooden spoon team 26.15-171, in a high-scoring win over the Kangaroos. They also conceded the lowest score against a wooden spoon team from 1920 onwards, the Brisbane Bears managing 3.8-26 against Richmond Tigers (5.15-45) in wet conditions at the MCG.
2004 - Richmond manage 3 wins in a row (Rounds 6, 7 & 8), very rare for a bottom team.
2007 - Not only do the Tigers take home the wooden spoon for the current season, they also receive a second one from 91-years-ago, when the AFL revised the 1916 season and took the wooden spoon off Fitzroy and gave it to Richmond.

When the Tigers won three flags in four seasons in 2017, 2019 and 2020, Richmond fans no doubt hoped their team's next wooden spoon lay many years in the future. Unfortunately for the Tigers their next wooden spoon was much closer - 2024 - than anyone had thought.

And in doing so, Richmond created another wooden spoon record - the fastest decline from successive premierships to last place, their four years beating out the five years it took Geelong to go from successive premierships in 1951 and 1952 to the Cats finishing last in 1957.

So what of other fast declines of successive premiership winners in other high-level leagues around Australia to the bottom of the ladder?

I couldn't find anything of note in the SANFL, but in the VFL/VFA there is the extraordinary case of the Coburg Lions. Winners of back to back premierships in 1988 and 1989, the second season with only 1 loss, just four years later the Lions were last with an 0-18 record in 1993, their percentage less than 50 due to some heavy beatings.

In the WAFL, the Perth Demons declined rapidly from successive premierships in 1976 and 1977 and a narrow miss in the 1978 Grand Final to last by 1981. It took just two seasons for East Perth to go to winning premierships in 1926 and 1927 to last by 1929, but even more remarkable may be Swan Districts in the 1980s. Swans won a hat-trick of flags in 1982, 1983 and 1984, but after losing the 1985 Preliminary Final tumbled to last in 1986.
 
This was missed by everyone – from leagues, to clubs, to probably the man himself – but Aaron Edwards brought up his 1,000th senior career goal a fortnight ago in Round 9 against Epping.

Edwards is now 41 years old yet is arguably at the peak of his local footy powers. He averaged 4.3 goals a game for Healesville in 2024 and is averaging more than 5 goals a game for Reservoir this season.

Here's his career statline as of the present day (per AF):

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Editor's note that one could argue his WAFL and VFL games for Swan Districts and North Ballarat played during his AFL career were not 'senior' games as he was playing at the second-highest level possible, but my ruling is that they are absolutely senior games, given those clubs were fielding their top-level team in the highest-level competition possible. I doubt many on here would disagree. Obviously the Swans Reserves and Roosters Reserves games are not included, nor are the Richmond Reserves games given they are the club's second-grade side.
 
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Here's another ex-AFL player to have brought up the senior football 1,000-goal milestone, Josh Mellington. He actually did it in his final game of 2024 for Bears Lagoon Serpentine, where he kicked a phenomenal 93 goals in 9 games.

There has not been a more dominant forward in Victorian country football over the past half-decade: in his last 5 seasons (2019; 2021–22; 2024–25), Mellington has played 60 games and kicked 476 goals, at an average of 7.9 goals per game.

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Allen Christensen's very similar stat lines comparing his Geelong stats and Brisbane stats. 1000000691.png

Almost identical games played. W/L ratio almost perfectly reversed. Disposals only 39 different. Goals only two different and behinds perfectly exact!
 
Two of the three games to be played today feature opponents who only met in Round 7 (Easter Round) this year. There is Port vs. Sydney, who played on Sunday 20-Apr-2025, and Carlton and North Melbourne, who played on Friday 18-Apr-2025, with just 64 and 62 days respectively since their last meetings.

However the third game - Collingwood and St Kilda - features opponents who have not played since Round 3 2024 - Thursday 21-Mar-2024, an astonishing 457 days having gone by since the last game between the Magpies and Saints.
 

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There is a very strange anomaly in the WAFL ladder at the moment. It sees South Fremantle on top with only 1 loss for the season to date, while on the bottom of the ladder are the West Coast Eagles WAFL team, which are on track to win their 5th wooden spoon in a row and have only 1 win so far in 2025.

Yet almost unbelievably these matches are one and the same, with the Eagles only WAFL win coming against top team the Bulldogs - and quite comfortably too at South's home ground.
 
There is a very strange anomaly in the WAFL ladder at the moment. It sees South Fremantle on top with only 1 loss for the season to date, while on the bottom of the ladder are the West Coast Eagles WAFL team, which are on track to win their 5th wooden spoon in a row and have only 1 win so far in 2025.

Yet almost unbelievably these matches are one and the same, with the Eagles only WAFL win coming against top team the Bulldogs - and quite comfortably too at South's home ground.
Similar to last year when Richmond's only win was against Sydney and Sydney's only loss was against Richmond for quite a while.
 
Similar to last year when Richmond's only win was against Sydney and Sydney's only loss was against Richmond for quite a while.

The win by bottom team Richmond over minor premiers the Sydney Swans was the first time in 48 years since the wooden spoon team had beaten the eventual top team in the AFL. The last time prior had been a win by 1976 wooden spoon Collingwood over that year's minor premiers Carlton, with the Blues going out in straight sets in that year's finals series.

The last time that an eventual premier lost to an eventual wooden spooner was in 1992, when the Sydney Swans beat the West Coast Eagles early that year at the SCG, however the Eagles did not top the ladder that year.

So when was the last time that the wooden spooner beat a premiership team that also won the minor premiership? We have to go to 1967 and a Round 2 game where the Bulldogs beat Richmond 12.6-78 to 8.22-70 at the Western Oval. This was a bit unusual though, as things were fairly even at the bottom of the ladder and the Dogs did not hit last place until the last round, Footscray were hardly a 'bad' team that year (generally competitive and won the night premiership) and at the time of this game Richmond had not made the finals since the Tigers finished 3rd in 1947.

When was the last time a really dominant minor premier and eventual premier lost to a really bad wooden spoon team? For that we had to travel all the way back to Round 17 of 1960, where Richmond (at that stage last with a win and two draws and a poor percentage of 65) somehow managed to beat Melbourne by 8 points at Punt Road, with the Dees having beaten the Tigers by 92-points at their previous meeting. The late season upset didn't derail the Demons, with Melbourne easily winning the minor premiership and then crushing Fitzroy and Collingwood to take out the premiership too.
 
Pies held goalless to half time by a team who has never played finals.

When was the last time the Pies were held goalless in the first half?

Has a Premiership team ever been held goalless to half time?
 

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Richmond wooden spoon teams have created some interesting stats over the years:

1987 - Richmond's 76-point victory over St Kilda is the biggest win ever by a wooden spoon team. It beats the 75-point win by St Kilda in 1983 - over Richmond.
1989 - Richmond kick the highest ever score by a wooden spoon team 26.15-171, in a high-scoring win over the Kangaroos. They also conceded the lowest score against a wooden spoon team from 1920 onwards, the Brisbane Bears managing 3.8-26 against Richmond Tigers (5.15-45) in wet conditions at the MCG.
2004 - Richmond manage 3 wins in a row (Rounds 6, 7 & 8), very rare for a bottom team.
2007 - Not only do the Tigers take home the wooden spoon for the current season, they also receive a second one from 91-years-ago, when the AFL revised the 1916 season and took the wooden spoon off Fitzroy and gave it to Richmond.

When the Tigers won three flags in four seasons in 2017, 2019 and 2020, Richmond fans no doubt hoped their team's next wooden spoon lay many years in the future. Unfortunately for the Tigers their next wooden spoon was much closer - 2024 - than anyone had thought.

And in doing so, Richmond created another wooden spoon record - the fastest decline from successive premierships to last place, their four years beating out the five years it took Geelong to go from successive premierships in 1951 and 1952 to the Cats finishing last in 1957.

So what of other fast declines of successive premiership winners in other high-level leagues around Australia to the bottom of the ladder?

I couldn't find anything of note in the SANFL, but in the VFL/VFA there is the extraordinary case of the Coburg Lions. Winners of back to back premierships in 1988 and 1989, the second season with only 1 loss, just four years later the Lions were last with an 0-18 record in 1993, their percentage less than 50 due to some heavy beatings.

In the WAFL, the Perth Demons declined rapidly from successive premierships in 1976 and 1977 and a narrow miss in the 1978 Grand Final to last by 1981. It took just two seasons for East Perth to go to winning premierships in 1926 and 1927 to last by 1929, but even more remarkable may be Swan Districts in the 1980s. Swans won a hat-trick of flags in 1982, 1983 and 1984, but after losing the 1985 Preliminary Final tumbled to last in 1986.
Perth won five premierships and were runners up three times between 1966 and 1978 and have made finals three times since.
 
Pies held goalless to half time by a team who has never played finals.

Has a Premiership team ever been held goalless to half time?
The last time a team that went on to win the premiership was goalless at half-time was Carlton in Rd. 9 1995:
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The time before that was West Coast in Rd. 23 1992:
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And prior to that, Essendon in this pretty strange game from Rd. 17 1984!:
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This game from Rd. 3 1968 is worthy of mention (both teams goalless)!:
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Essendon were on top of the ladder, while Carlton went on to win the Grand Final (where they beat Essendon).
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Hawthorn in Rd. 14 2009 was the last time a reigning premier was goalless at half time:
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Hawthorn again before that in Rd. 7 1979:
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And before that was Richmond in Rd. 15 1975:
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On a similar theme!:
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^ Eventual premier was goalless in a game at 1/2 time:

1897 Essendon x2
1898 Fitzroy x2
1899 Fitzroy
1901 Essendon
1902 Collingwood
1907 Carlton
1918 South Melbourne
1920 Richmond
1923 Essendon
1927 Collingwood
1968 Carlton
1984 Essendon
1992 West Coast
1995 Carlton

16 times.

255 times in total for all teams:
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The AFL ladder is quite unusual this year in that there is a huge split at the mid-point, with the Top 9 teams playing for the 8 positions in the finals, and 10th to 18th already playing out time even though there is still 2 months to go.

Unusually it has happened in the WAFL and the SANFL too. Both 10 team leagues with a Top 5 finals system, there is an extraordinary 3 game and 30 percent variance between East Fremantle (5th) and Peel Thunder (6th) in the WAFL. In the SANFL the WWT Eagles sit in 5th position at 6-6, two games ahead of the 6th placed Norwood, 7th placed Port Adelaide Magpies and 8th placed North Adelaide Roosters, all of whom are 4-8 and fast running out of time to catch the Eagles.
 
By virtue of GWS vs Geelong starting earlier than Richmond vs Essendon, Lachie Whitfield pipped Nick Vlastuin as the 300th player in VFL/AFL history to hit 250 career games.
 

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