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Observed in Round 2 - 2012 Finals​
  • The 85th finals win since 2000 by teams placed higher on the final ladder.
  • Adelaide even up their finals record.
  • Some finals déjà vu for Fremantle.
  • A first for Adelaide.
  • A new low for Football Park.
  • Collingwood and West Coast are neck and neck in overall performance in finals.
  • Since they've been in the competition together, Collingwood have won twice as many matches as West Coast have after losing the first two quarters.

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Matthew Scarlett's recent retirement makes him the first player to finish with a career tally of 284 games. This now means that of all the Games Played totals between 1 and 294, the only totals not yet achieved by any player are 287 and, quite surprisingly, 214.
 
My 2 favourite stats of the last 5 years continue to endure.

Sydney extends their perfect streak of finishing above Fremantle to 18/18 years since Freo's debut in 1995.
(Freo did finish 3rd to Sydney's 4th in the 2006 H&A, but were beaten by Sydney in a prelim and thus finished lower than Sydney)

Melbourne and Richmond also fail to be in the same finals series for the 71st consecutive season, a rather remarkable feat.
 

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Observed in the Round 3 Finals 2012​
​
  • The Swans failed by 5 points to do to the Magpies what they haven't done to them since 1959.
  • Consistent goal tallies in finals against Collingwood.
  • Attendance milestone for the 'Blood Stained Angels'.
  • The Magpies fall behind the Swans in finals match/win percentage.
  • A 60 year attendance low for Collingwood.
  • Some finals déjà vu for the Crows.
  • A first for Hawthorn and a first for Adelaide.
  • Hawthorn even up their Preliminary Final wins and losses.

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Ablett jnr broke a Brownlow record last night - three times. Greatest losing margins for a player's team while polling three votes (since complete records began in 1984):

Margin|Votes|Player|Club|Year|RoundID
\97|3|Ablett junior, Gary|GC|2012|10
\92|3|Ablett junior, Gary|GC|2012|2
\69|3|Ablett junior, Gary|GC|2012|1
\65|3|Williams, Greg|Ge|1985|3
\60|3|McGregor, Anthony|Fi|1994|22
\59|3|Bain, David|Br|1990|8
\57|3|Ablett junior, Gary|GC|2011|8
\55|3|Millane, Darren|Co|1987|20
\54|3|Dwyer, Mick|St|1989|5
\53|3|Judd, Chris|Ca|2010|6
\52|3|Buckley, Nathan|Co|1998|14
\51|3|Goodes, Adam|Sy|2009|7
\50|3|Ablett junior, Gary|GC|2011|15
\50|3|King, Clinton|Co|1999|4
\50|3|Tzatzaris, Zeno|WB|1989|19

696 home and away matches passed without another player receiving 3 votes where the losing margin exceeded 60 points between the Williams and (Round 1) Ablett games.
 
Poor team performances from GWS and Melbourne...

Votes|Year|Club
\20|1996|Fi
\21|1981|Me
\22|2012|GWS
\24|2011|PA
\24|2008|Me
\25|1965|Ha
\27|1960|Ri
\27|1962|Ha
\27|2012|Me
\29|2004|Ha
\29|1995|Fi
\29|2003|Ca
\30|1950|Ha
Watson went close to a record streak of polling games...

Consecutive|Player|Club|From|To
\9|Ablett junior, Gary|Ge|2009 R20|2010 R7
\8|Judd, Chris|WC|2007 R1|2007 R8
\8|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2010 R14|2010 R21
\8|Dal Santo, Nick|St|2011 R13|2011 R21
\8|Watson, Jobe|Es|2012 R6|2012 R14
\7|Harvey, Robert|St|1996 R12|1996 R19
\7|Harvey, Robert|St|1998 R8|1998 R14
\6|Flower, Robert|Me|1984 R5|1984 R10
\6|Naley, Mark|Ca|1987 R15|1987 R20
\6|Schwass, Wayne|NM|1992 R24|1993 R5
\6|Williams, Greg|Ca|1994 R8|1994 R13
\6|Burke, Nathan|St|1996 R3|1996 R8
\6|West, Scott|WB|2005 R21|2006 R4
\6|Goodes, Adam|Sy|2007 R17|2007 R22
\6|Swan, Dane|Co|2010 R12|2010 R17
\6|Headland, Des|Br|2002 R13|2002 R18
And Blake, Hudson and Dempster broke their ducks...

Brownlow|Career|Player|Clubs|Year|Round
\194|210|Blake, Jason|St|2012|11
\155|158|Smith, Ross W.|NM|1993|7
\148|153|Hargrave, Ryan|WB|2009|14
\146|147|Walker, James|Fr|2007|7
\145|155|Hudson, Ben|Ad,WB,Br|2012|17
\136|140|Hocking, Steven|Ge|1991|22
\129|131|Wakelin, Shane|St,Co|2002|16
\128|133|Strachan, Greg|Ri|1985|10
\128|133|Firrito, Michael|NM|2010|6
\126|140|Dempster, Sean|Sy,St|2012|22
\125|134|Glass, Darren|WC|2007|13
\113|116|Jones, Rowan|WC|2006|4
\113|124|Copeland, Robert|Br|2007|16
\112|120|Staker, Brent|WC, Br|2010|10
\111|113|Grover, Antoni|Fr|2007|5
 
- Michael Hurley recorded his (5th and) 6th 2-vote game; he has never polled 3 or 1
- Kurt Tippett has polled in 10 games - 5x2 and 5x1
- In Round 1, James Magner became just the second of 625 debutants to poll on debut since Heath Grundy in 2006 (the other was the Dogs' Jason Tutt last year). None of the other 123 first-gamers polled on debut in 2012
- Richmond's 83 votes was the most by a team with 10 wins (excluding 1976-77 and the dual umpire voting system)
- The GWS tally of 22 votes was the lowest for a team with 2 wins

Standout performances from Ablett, Jones and Watson:

Rank|%|Player|Club|Year|Votes|Club
\1|62.75|Fothergill, Des|Co|1940|32|51
\2|60.53|Ablett junior, Gary|GC|2011|23|38
\3|56.25|Reynolds, Dick|Es|1937|27|48
\4|55.81|Ablett junior, Gary|GC|2012|24|43
\5|52.17|Skilton, Bob|Sy|1968|24|46
\6|51.85|Jones, Nathan|Me|2012|14|27
\7|50.98|Ryan, Denis|Fi|1936|26|51
\8|50.94|Collis, Gordon|Ca|1964|27|53
\9|49.23|Matthews, J. Herbie|Sy|1940|32|65
\10|48.94|Templeton, Kelvin|WB|1980|23|47
\11|48.28|Lord, Alistair|Ge|1962|28|58
\12|47.92|Austen, Col|Ha|1949|23|48
\=13|47.62|Wright, Roy|Ri|1957|20|42
\=13|47.62|Buckley, Nathan|Co|1999|20|42
\=13|47.62|Watson, Jobe|Es|2012|30|63
\16|47.37|Cousins, Ben|WC|2001|18|38
\17|46.51|Skilton, Bob|Sy|1963|20|43
\18|46.00|Hardeman, Gary|Me|1974|23|50
\19|45.90|Crawford, Shane|Ha|1999|28|61
\20|45.65|Bray, Harold|St|1947|21|46
\21|45.61|Bunton, Haydn|Fi|1931|26|57
\=22|45.45|Hopkins, Allan|WB|1931|25|55
\=22|45.45|West, Scott|WB|2004|20|44
\24|45.31|Wright, Roy|Ri|1954|29|64
\25|45.28|Buckley, Nathan|Co|1998|24|53
\26|45.16|Murray, Kevin|Fi|1963|14|31
\27|45.07|Harvey, Robert|St|1998|32|71
Dyson, Carlile, Bartram, McMahon and Logan the next generation of challengers for most games without a vote:

Brownlow|Career|Player|Clubs|CareerSpan
\150|155|Watt, Shannon|NM|1998-2009
\144|167|Henshaw, Ross|NM|1971-1983
\136|139|Fiora, Aaron|Ri,St|2000-2008
\133|138|McCabe, Luke|Ha|1995-2004
\128|135|O'Brien, Daryl|NM|1960-1969
\126|135|Gillett, Ian|Sy|1951-1958
\123|138|Freeborn, Glenn|NM,Co|1995-2003
\120|129|Bevan, Paul|Sy|2004-2011
\120|123|Power, Sam|WB,NM|2002-2009
\119|125|Ladson, Rick|Ha|2003-2011
\118|136|Johnson, Ted E.|Sy|1923-1931
\114|129|O'Callaghan, Denis|Co|1968-1975
\113|118|Dent, Matthew|Fi,WB,Ha|1994-2001
\113|116|Williams, Andrew|WC,Co|1998-2005
\113|114|Dyson, Ricky|Es|2004-2012
\111|116|Campbell, Robert|Ha|2002-2009
\110|111|Carlile, Alipate|PA|2006-2012
\108|114|Metropolis, Daniel|WC,Fr|1992-2001
\103|117|Manzie, John|St|1967-1975
\103|103|Bartram, Clint|Me|2006-2012
\101|161|Corbett, Bob|Me|1920-1929
\101|105|McMahon, Scott|NM|2007-2012
\101|104|Logan, Tom|Br,PA|2005-2012
\100|104|de Iulio, Ron|Ca|1992-1999
 
Catsace said:
Must be a sign of being old....But i recall a North fan student in Year 10 in 1983 having a little dig by saying 'Go North' to teacher Gary Malarkey after Fairley and co smashed Geelong by 40 points at K.P. Promptly told to pipe down by another teacher in earshot mind you. Could hardly imagine a teacher playing footy now, but professionalism has changed so much in this 30 year period.
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Not current just purely down to time constraints, but I was taught maths by a former player (of sorts...) AFAIK he's still at the school
 
Mention has been made that Jobe Watson is the first Essendon player to win a Brownlow since his current coach James Hird did so in 1996. The only other instances of this happening are, firstly, at Fitzroy in 1936, albeit after a very short wait. Dinny Ryan's victory was the first at Fitzroy since coach Haydn Bunton had won the Brownlow the year before. The only other occurrence was also at Essendon when Bill Hucthison tied (as did Hird) in 1952 with Roy Wright, this being the first Essendon Brownlow since coach Dick Reynolds triumphed in 1938. Even though Hutchison at the time was beaten on countback, he won the Brownlow outright the following season and would still fulfil the criteria for this statistic.
 
Hey Ron, do you work with stats for a living?

How do you keep on reeling off brilliant statistical posts.

You're like a cross between Paul from AFL Tables and RogersResults.
 

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Vic Belcher (1909, 1918) is the only dual premiership player among 1,377 representatives of Sydney/South Melbourne. Tomorrow Jude Bolton, Adam Goodes, Ryan O'Keefe and Lewis Roberts-Thomson have a chance to add their names to an exclusive list.

Birchall, Ellis, Franklin, Gilham, Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Rioli, Roughead, Sewell and Young will attempt to add a second flag at Hawthorn.

Dual premiership players at each club:

Club|DPP
\Es|101*
\Ca|86
\Co|65
\Ri|53
\Me|50
\Ge|47
\Ha|42
\Fi|38
\Br|22
\NM|21
\WC|16
\Ad|16
\Sy|1
* includes every player who represented Essendon in 1897 and 1924, in the absence of a grand final; the number is 74 if players from those seasons are excluded
 
Grand Final observation

Over the previous four matches before a season decider, Hawthorn's defence has leaked 89 points on average. This is the most by a premier (should they win) since Adelaide of 1998 (also 89 points).

Sydney is averaging 82.

Defences win premierships.
 
Hoggy said:
Grand Final observation

Over the previous four matches before a season decider, Hawthorn's defence has leaked 89 points on average. This is the most by a premier (should they win) since Adelaide of 1998 (also 89 points).

Sydney is averaging 82.

Defences win premierships.
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Just saying...
 
  • Personally I was hoping Lewis Roberts-Thomson would win the Norm Smith medal. It has been 25 years since the last hyphenated named player won a Norm Smith (David Rhys-Jones), and he too played for Sydney, and won his Norm Smith playing against Hawthorn.
  • Had Hawthorn scored one last goal during the final 30 seconds, reducing the margin to 4 points, it would have meant Sydney had won consecutive premierships by the same margin. The only team to do this is Fitzroy when they won their 4th and 5th premierships in 1905 and 1913 by 13 points.
 

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Least games at a club to play in a winning GF:

Club Gm #|Player|Club|Year|Club #|Career Gm #|Club(s)|Career
\1|James, Billy R.|Ri|1920|1st|1|Ri|1920
\1|Rawle, George|Es|1923|1st|1|Es|1923-1925
\1|Vine, Fred|Me|1926|1st|1|Me|1926-1934
\1|Cordner, Don|Me|1941|1st|2|Me|1941-1950
\2|Addison, Jim|Co|1903|1st|3|Co|1903-1904
\3|Ahern, Charlie|Co|1929|1st|3|Co|1929
\3|Aldag, Bill|Co|1930|2nd|5|WB,Co|1928-1931
\3|Stackpole, Keith|Co|1935|1st|3|Co,Fi|1935-1944
\3|Cordner, Denis|Me|1948|1st|3|Me|1943-1956
\3|Payze, Travis|St|1966|1st|3|St|1966-1974
\3|Keating, Aaron|Ad|1997|1st|3|Ad|1997-1998
\4|Heagney, Denis|Ge|1925|1st|4|Ge|1925-1926
\4|Anderson, Jack Y.|Ri|1932|1st|4|Ri,NM|1932-1939
\4|Lewis, Warren|Me|1941|1st|4|Me|1941-1944
\4|Reed, Les|Ge|1951|1st|4|Ge|1951-1953
\4|Scott, Ian|Ge|1963|1st|4|Ge|1963-1965
\4|Hadley, Richard|Br|2003|1st|4|Br,Ca|2001-2010
\5|Morris, Jimmy|Ca|1914|1st|5|Ca|1914-1917
\5|Taylor, Ernie|Ri|1920|1st|5|Ri|1920-1926
\5|Lauder, Albert|Co|1928|1st|5|Co|1926-1931
\5|Fanning, Fred|Me|1940|1st|5|Me|1940-1947
\5|Sharp, Lerrel|Co|1953|1st|5|Co|1953-1959
\5|Weideman, Murray|Co|1953|1st|5|Co|1953-1963
\5|Rose, Kevin|Co|1958|1st|5|Co|1958-1967
\5|Carter, Noel|Ri|1973|1st|5|Ri|1973-1977
\5|McCann, Steve|NM|1977|1st|5|NM|1977-1988
\5|Morton, Mitch|Sy|2012|3rd|76|WC,Ri,Sy|2005-2012
\6|Beck, Les|Ca|1906|1st|6|Ca|1906-1909
\6|Hunt, Ray|Ri|1943|1st|6|Ri|1943
\6|Broadstock, Jack|Ri|1943|1st|6|Ri|1943-1946
\6|Thaw, Alan|Es|1949|1st|6|Es|1949-1954
\6|Dale, Alan|Es|1950|1st|6|Es,St|1950-1957
\6|Mann, Len|Me|1960|1st|6|Me|1960-1964
\6|Davis, Frank|Me|1964|1st|6|Me|1964-1973
\6|Madigan, Greg|Ha|1989|1st|6|Ha,Fr|1989-1997
Least games at a second or third club to play in a winning GF:

Club Gm #|Player|Club|Year|Club #|Career Gm #|Club(s)|CareerSpan
\3|Aldag, Bill|Co|1930|2nd|5|WB,Co|1928-1931
\5|Morton, Mitch|Sy|2012|3rd|76|WC,Ri,Sy|2005-2012
\7|Kelleher, Dinny|Sy|1933|2nd|61|Ca,Sy|1927-1936
\7|Welsh, Peter James|Ri|1980|2nd|86|Ha,Ri|1973-1984
\8|Rae, Stephen|Ri|1973|2nd|63|St,Ri|1969-1974
\9|Martin, Jim|Fi|1913|3rd|110|Ca,Es,Fi|1902-1914
\9|Symons, Jack S.|Fi|1944|2nd|120|Ri,Fi|1934-1946
\9|Thorpe, David|Ri|1974|2nd|160|WB,Ri|1965-1976
\10|Incoll, Jack|Co|1902|2nd|14|Sy,Co|1899-1906
\10|Harrison, Artie C.|Fi|1913|2nd|11|Ri,Fi|1911-1914
\10|Sampson, Clay|Ad|1997|2nd|23|Me,Ad,Ri|1995-2000
\10|Armstrong, Steven|WC|2006|2nd|53|Me,WC|2002-2008
\11|Kelly, Harvey|Ca|1907|2nd|20|Sy,Ca,Sy|1902-1914
\11|Hazel, Ern|Es|1911|3rd|18|St,Me,Es|1909-1912
\11|Wells, Charlie|Fi|1913|2nd|16|Ri,Fi|1912-1914
\11|Bortolotto, Mario|Ca|1981|2nd|25|Ge,Ca|1979-1983
\12|Caine, Frank|Es|1912|2nd|92|Ca,Es|1905-1914
\12|Turnbull, Norm|Ri|1921|2nd|43|St,Ri|1914-1923
\12|Edmonds, Horrie|Ri|1934|2nd|91|Co,Ri,WB|1929-1937
\12|Manton, Glenn|Ca|1995|2nd|33|Es,Ca|1992-2003
\13|Lowe, Jack|Ca|1914|2nd|38|Co,Ca|1912-1914
\13|Crowe, Jim|Co|1936|2nd|96|Ca,Co|1929-1937
\13|Collins, Jack Cecil|Es|1950|2nd|44|Fi,Es|1945-1950
\13|Andrews, Gareth|Ri|1974|2nd|149|Ge,Ri|1965-1975
\14|McDonough, Jack|Fi|1904|2nd|35|Sy,Fi|1902-1905
\15|Deas, Jack|Fi|1899|2nd|17|Sy,Fi,Es|1897-1902
\15|Lockwood, George|Co|1902|2nd|55|Ge,Co|1899-1904
\15|Fitzmaurice, Tom|Ge|1925|2nd|100|Es,Ge,NM|1918-1935
\15|Tymms, Bill|Me|1926|2nd|23|St,Me|1922-1933
\15|Dew, Stuart|Ha|2008|2nd|195|PA,Ha|1997-2009
 
Observations from the result of the final match of 2012​
​
  • The Swans have played 4 times as many Grand Finals in the last 17 seasons as they did in the previous 59.
  • The third Grand Final won by Sydney/SM with fewer scoring shots.
  • Hawthorn's narrowest loss in a Grand Final.
  • The first 1 point quarter by a team in a Grand Final in over half a century.
  • The first and last Grand Finals played by Sydney/SM shared the same feature.
  • A scoring feature seen only once before in a Grand Final since 1990.
  • The uniqueness of the Swan's score.

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Fewest matches at a new club before playing in a final:

Matches|Player|Club|Year|Round|Career Match #|Club #
\1|Williamson, E. Jim|Ge|1933|SF|8|2nd
\1|Hyde, Robert|Es|1979|EF|63|2nd
\2|Fogarty, Joe|Es|1906|SF|11|2nd
\2|Perrett, Rupe|Co|1931|SF|7|2nd
\2|Morden, Clem|Co|1932|SF|20|2nd
\2|Manning, Andrew|Es|1989|SF|33|2nd
\3|Aldag, Bill|Co|1930|GF|5|2nd
\3|MacRae, Cliff|Co|1939|GF|61|2nd
\3|Neenan, Bernie|Sy|1942|SF|11|2nd
\3|Davis, Allan|Co|1980|EF|250|4th
\3|Wigney, Stuart|Ad|1993|EF|51|3rd
\3|Morton, Mitch|Sy|2012|QF|74|3rd
\4|Stewart, Ray|Ca|1918|SF|35|2nd
\4|Gomez, Chris|Es|1926|SF|14|2nd
\4|Shorten, Teddy|Es|1926|SF|10|2nd
\4|Riley, Lou|Co|1934|SF|24|2nd
\4|Davis, Craig|NM|1977|QF|46|2nd
\4|Andrews, Ron|Co|1984|EF|155|2nd
\4|Irving, Dean|Me|1994|QF|47|2nd
 
Hoggy said:
Grand Final observation

Over the previous four matches before a season decider, Hawthorn's defence has leaked 89 points on average. This is the most by a premier (should they win) since Adelaide of 1998 (also 89 points).

Sydney is averaging 82.

Defences win premierships.
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And what did the respective defences concede?

Sydney conceded 81 (compared to that average of 82)
Hawthorn conceded 91 (compared to that average of 89)

The scores were almost exactly consistent with the average from the last four games- quite amazing.

A very astute observation indeed :thumbsu:
 
Observed in 2012​
​
  • Sydney equaled their record number of 60-point wins in a season.
  • Sydney’s average points conceded was their lowest since 1952.
  • Since the introduction of the 22 round season, Hawthorn have won 18 matches in a season twice as many times as any other club.
  • Hawthorn set a new League record for consecutive 40 point wins.
  • Adelaide scored their most goals in a season.
  • Adelaide set 6 new club record quarter margins.
  • Collingwood won 10 fewer matches by 40 points than they did in 2011.
  • Collingwood had their 8th biggest win ever and kicked their 10th highest score.
  • West Coast had biggest wins against both ‘Melbournes’.
  • Four wins and four scores entered West Coast’s top 20.
  • Fremantle won their most matches by 60 points in a season.
  • Fremantle have beaten all opponents at least once in the last three seasons except Collingwood.
  • Geelong set a new League record for ‘home and away’ wins in six consecutive seasons.
  • Geelong’s average points scored and average points conceded per match were their lowest and highest since 2006.
  • Nth Melbourne set a new League scoring record.
  • Nth Melbourne were the only ream to win and lose by 100 points.
  • St Kilda equaled their season record of matches won in all 4 quarters.
  • St Kilda’s lowest score was their highest ‘low’ score in a season.
  • Carlton exactly reversed in 2012 their percentage gain over 2010 in 2011.
  • Carlton lost to 3 teams with a combined total of 24 places below them on the ladder at the time of the match.
  • Essendon lost to 3 teams with a combined total of 30 places below them on the ladder at the time of the match.
  • Essendon's average winning and losing margin was 40 points.
  • Richmond became one of 10 teams to be undefeated by the season’s Premiers and Runners-up.
  • Richmond set new quarter margin records over both the ‘Adelaides’.
  • Brisbane won three times as many matches by 40 points or more than they did in 2011.
  • Brisbane have 5 opponents undefeated in the last three seasons.
  • Port Adelaide won their first matches by 40 points in three seasons.
  • Three of Port Adelaide’s scores were made the list of their lowest 20.
  • WB/Footscray’s average score was their lowest in over 40 years.
  • WB/Footscray scored their least number of centuries in nearly half a century.
  • Melbourne’s season result on match/win percentage, and for and against percentage ranked as their 100th out of 113.
  • Melbourne have played 1066 matches since their last Premiership.
  • Gold Coast’s highest ever attendance ranked as Collingwood’s 649th highest.
  • Gold Coast have had as many 90 point losses in their first 44 matches as Sydney/SM have had in their last 499 matches.
  • GWS Giant’s percentage was the lowest in a season since 1955 and the 9th lowest for all seasons 1897-2012.
  • GWS had the 3rd highest recorded attendance for a team on debut.


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