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RedmanWasHere said:
What's the highest percentage average for the top 8 at the end of Round 22 since 1994?
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Wrong thread :p

Year|Last Rd|Average %
\2011|24|131.56
\2012|23|126.69
\1911|18|123.55
\1966|18|122.77
\1991|24|122.12
\1926|18|121.11
\1963|18|121.06
\2010|22|120.94
\1992|24|120.57
\1914|18|120.53
 
Ron The Bear said:
Wrong thread :p

Year|Last Rd|Average %
\2011|24|131.56
\2012|23|126.69
\1911|18|123.55
\1966|18|122.77
\1991|24|122.12
\1926|18|121.11
\1963|18|121.06
\2010|22|120.94
\1992|24|120.57
\1914|18|120.53
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Whoops. :oops:.

Cheers Ronnie.

Man 2011 was lopsided.
 
Highest team cumulative points difference after x games:

x|Total|Average|Player|Clubs|Career|Players
\1|178|178.00|Daicos, Peter|Co|1979-1993|12140
\2|248|124.00|Malakellis, Spiro|Ge|1989-1993|11050
\3|382|127.33|Malakellis, Spiro|Ge|1989-1993|10192
\4|448|112.00|Malakellis, Spiro|Ge|1989-1993|9620
\5|502|100.40|Malakellis, Spiro|Ge|1989-1993|9136
\6|571|95.17|Malakellis, Spiro|Ge|1989-1993|8745
\7|599|85.57|Mensch, David|Ge|1992-2002|8419
\8|674|84.25|Mensch, David|Ge|1992-2002|8088
\9|683|75.88|Kennedy, Michael John|Ca,Sy|1984-1990|7801
\|||Mensch, David|Ge|1992-2002|7801
\10|676|67.60|Kennedy, Michael John|Ca,Sy|1984-1990|7554
\11|737|67.00|Mensch, David|Ge|1992-2002|7349
\12|819|68.25|Mensch, David|Ge|1992-2002|7132
\13|810|62.31|Malakellis, Spiro|Ge|1989-1993|6953
\14|891|63.64|Kennedy, Michael John|Ca,Sy|1984-1990|6770
\15|936|62.40|Kennedy, Michael John|Ca,Sy|1984-1990|6597
\16|937|58.56|Kennedy, Michael John|Ca,Sy|1984-1990|6456
\17|953|56.06|Kennedy, Michael John|Ca,Sy|1984-1990|6299
\18|952|52.89|Kennedy, Michael John|Ca,Sy|1984-1990|6138
\19|976|51.37|Kennedy, Michael John|Ca,Sy|1984-1990|6008
\20|1003|50.15|Handley, Steven|Ge|1992-1996|5894
\30|1531|51.03|Blair, Jarryd|Co|2010-2012|4928
\40|1926|48.15|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2012|4240
\50|2315|46.30|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2012|3778
\60|2571|42.85|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2012|3294
\70|2715|38.79|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2012|2887
\80|3153|39.41|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2012|2549
\90|3506|38.96|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|2250
\100|3921|39.21|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|2017
\110|4392|39.93|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|1770
\120|4457|37.14|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2012|1541
\130|4657|35.82|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|1361
\140|4981|35.58|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|1184
\150|5280|35.20|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|1033
\160|5486|34.29|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|875
\170|5785|34.03|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|759
\180|5910|32.83|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|650
\190|6228|32.78|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|553
\200|6507|32.54|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|475
\210|6623|31.54|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|401
\220|6932|31.51|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|348
\230|7105|30.89|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|288
\240|7149|29.79|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|235
\250|7502|30.01|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|186
\260|7542|29.01|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|144
\270|7451|27.60|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|112
\280|7175|25.63|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|90
\290|7249|25.00|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|75
\300|7224|24.08|Langford, Chris|Ha|1983-1997|67
\310|6275|20.24|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|43
\320|6552|20.48|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|32
\330|7105|21.53|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|20
\340|7386|21.72|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|15
\350|7759|22.17|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|12
\360|8151|22.64|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|8
\370|8544|23.09|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|5
\380|8986|23.65|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|3
\390|9312|23.88|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|2
\400|9415|23.54|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|2
\426|10315|24.21|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|1
 

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And the reverse of the above...

x|Total|Average|Player|Clubs|Career|Players
\1|-171|-171.00|Hardie, Max|St|1919|12140
\2|-288|-144.00|Klaebe, Brenton|Fi|1991|11050
\3|-374|-124.67|McDonald, Gary|St|1978-1980|10192
\4|-441|-110.25|Haynes, Nick|GWS|2012|9620
\5|-561|-112.20|Haynes, Nick|GWS|2012|9136
\6|-618|-103.00|Wilson, Nathan|GWS|2012|8745
\7|-737|-105.29|Wilson, Nathan|GWS|2012|8419
\8|-832|-104.00|Wilson, Nathan|GWS|2012|8088
\9|-960|-106.67|Wilson, Nathan|GWS|2012|7801
\10|-869|-86.90|Hampton, Curtly|GWS|2012|7554
\11|-964|-87.64|Hampton, Curtly|GWS|2012|7349
\12|-1084|-90.33|Hampton, Curtly|GWS|2012|7132
\13|-1050|-80.77|Hampton, Curtly|GWS|2012|6953
\14|-1096|-78.29|Cameron, Jeremy|GWS|2012|6770
\15|-1192|-79.47|Greene, Toby|GWS|2012|6597
\16|-1233|-77.06|Hampton, Curtly|GWS|2012|6456
\17|-1261|-74.18|Hampton, Curtly|GWS|2012|6299
\18|-1311|-72.83|Greene, Toby|GWS|2012|6138
\19|-1339|-70.47|Greene, Toby|GWS|2012|6008
\20|-1400|-70.00|Primus, Matthew|Fi,PA|1996-2005|5894
\30|-1901|-63.37|Chandler, Brett|Fi,NM|1995-2000|4928
\40|-2166|-54.15|Dent, Matthew|Fi,WB,Ha|1994-2001|4240
\50|-2713|-54.26|Hall, Ted|St|1897-1902|3778
\60|-3272|-54.53|Hall, Ted|St|1897-1902|3294
\70|-3774|-53.91|Hall, Ted|St|1897-1902|2887
\80|-3943|-49.29|Matthews, Bill|St|1897-1902|2549
\90|-3873|-43.03|Smith, Howard|St|1898-1904|2250
\100|-3890|-38.90|Smith, Jimmy M.|St|1899-1909|2017
\110|-4199|-38.17|Smith, Jimmy M.|St|1899-1909|1770
\120|-4297|-35.81|Smith, Jimmy M.|St|1899-1909|1541
\130|-4353|-33.48|Smith, Jimmy M.|St|1899-1909|1361
\140|-4325|-30.89|Adamson, Jim|NM|1929-1941|1184
\150|-4474|-29.83|Cunningham, Geoff|St|1977-1989|1033
\160|-4858|-30.36|Cunningham, Geoff|St|1977-1989|875
\170|-5155|-30.32|Cunningham, Geoff|St|1977-1989|759
\180|-5489|-30.49|Hogg, Jeff|Ri,Fi|1986-1996|650
\190|-5654|-29.76|Cunningham, Geoff|St|1977-1989|553
\200|-5594|-27.97|Cunningham, Geoff|St|1977-1989|475
\210|-5834|-27.78|Cunningham, Geoff|St|1977-1989|401
\220|-6071|-27.60|Cunningham, Geoff|St|1977-1989|348
\230|-5353|-23.27|Barker, Trevor|St|1975-1989|288
\240|-4113|-17.14|Flower, Robert|Me|1973-1987|235
\250|-4564|-18.26|Flower, Robert|Me|1973-1987|186
\260|-4621|-17.77|Flower, Robert|Me|1973-1987|144
\270|-4355|-16.13|Flower, Robert|Me|1973-1987|112
\280|-3188|-11.39|Richardson, Matthew|Ri|1993-2009|90
\290|-2965|-10.22|Campbell, Wayne|Ri|1991-2005|75
\300|-2918|-9.73|Murray, Kevin|Fi|1955-1974|67
\310|-3045|-9.82|Murray, Kevin|Fi|1955-1974|43
\320|-3224|-10.08|Murray, Kevin|Fi|1955-1974|32
\330|-3654|-11.07|Murray, Kevin|Fi|1955-1974|20
\340|-2486|-7.31|Hawkins, Doug|WB,Fi|1978-1995|15
\350|-3153|-9.01|Hawkins, Doug|WB,Fi|1978-1995|12
\360|-323|-0.90|Johnson, Brad|WB|1994-2010|8
\370|446|+1.21|Harvey, Robert|St|1988-2008|5
\380|707|+1.86|Harvey, Robert|St|1988-2008|3
\390|5699|+14.61|Bartlett, Kevin|Ri|1965-1983|2
\400|5722|+14.31|Bartlett, Kevin|Ri|1965-1983|2
\426|10315|+24.21|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|1
 
RogersResults said:
Who did the GWS debutants knock out?
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x|Total|Average|Player|Clubs|Career|Notes
\4|-402|-100.50|Frank Carbone|St|1985-1987|
\|||Greg McAdam|St|1985|
\5|-427|-85.40|Syd Barker junior|NM|1930-1933|first 4 are Haynes / Hoskin-Elliott / Patton / Wilson from GWS
\|||Joe McElholum|NM|1930-1931|
\6|-537|-89.50|Gerry Williams|St|1899-1900|first 3 are Wilson / Haynes / Patton
\7|-569|-81.29|Gerry Williams|St|1899-1900|first 3 are Wilson / Haynes / Tomlinson
\8|-625|-78.13|Shayne Stevenson|Fi,Ha|1991-1997|first 3 are Wilson / Haynes / Edwards
\9|-735|-81.67|Syd Barker junior|NM|1930-1933|first 3 are Wilson / Hampton / Tomlinson
\10|-775|-77.50|Syd Barker junior|NM|1930-1933|first 2 are Hampton / Kennedy (Folau 4th)
\11|-817|-74.27|Billy McGregor|St|1899-1900|first 2 are Hampton / Coniglio
\12|-919|-76.58|Steven May|GC|2011-2012|
\13|-991|-76.23|Steven May|GC|2011-2012|3rd-7th are GWS players
\14|-972|-69.43|Seb Tape|GC|2011-2012|first 7 are Cameron / Hampton / Greene / Giles / Treloar / Smith / Bugg
\15|-1025|-68.33|Steven May|GC|2011-2012|first 6 are Greene / Giles / Smith / Hampton / Bugg / Cameron
\16|-1099|-68.69|Nick Carter|Fi,Br,Me|1996-1999|first 3 are Hampton / Greene / Giles
\17|-1185|-69.71|Nick Carter|Fi,Br,Me|1996-1999|
\18|-1264|-70.22|Nick Carter|Fi,Br,Me|1996-1999|
\19|-1314|-69.16|Matthew Primus|Fi, PA|1996-2005|first 2 are Greene / Giles
 
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Number and percentage of matches with attendances of 40,000 or more 1987-2012.​
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Peak attendance reached? Going to the Footy becoming too expensive for some? Match times suit television programming not spectators' free time? Game not as attractive to watch?​
 
RogersResults said:
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Number and percentage of matches with attendances of 40,000 or more 1987-2012.​
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Peak attendance reached? Going to the Footy becoming too expensive for some? Match times suit television programming not spectators' free time? Game not as attractive to watch?​
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I tend to find attendance records for each year misleading as there may be cases of fans attending multiple games.

For example, I attended about 4 games in 2002 and as the crowds in all of those games varied in numbers, that would mean that those 4 games I attended would've beefed up the crowd number.

How do they calculate the crowd number if fans have attended multiple games?

Do they take into account different games attended by the same fans or do they see fans who've attended multiple games as different people and not the same person?
 
RedmanWasHere said:
I tend to find attendance records for each year misleading as there may be cases of fans attending multiple games.

For example, I attended about 4 games in 2002 and as the crowds in all of those games varied in numbers, that would mean that those 4 games I attended would've beefed up the crowd number.

How do they calculate the crowd number if fans have attended multiple games?

Do they take into account different games attended by the same fans or do they see fans who've attended multiple games as different people and not the same person?
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An attendance is an attendance - it doesn't matter if it is the same people at every match - they pay separately for each attendance. For instance the round 1 2012 combined attendance for 5 matches in Melbourne was 261,000. It could have been 261,000 individuals but as none of the matches were on at the same time it could have been the same 50,000 or so at every match - but the attendance at the 5 matches would still be 261,000.

It is possible that the AFL could have that data from scanning members passes and ticket agency bookings. Advertisers at the grounds might not be pleased if it was the same 50,000 or so at each match! Perhaps they do know?

The intention of spreading matches over a number of days was to increase the chance of the same people going to multiple matches. In 1987 83% of the matches in Victoria were played on a Saturday. In 2007 43% of matches in Victoria were played on a Saturday.
 
RogersResults said:
An attendance is an attendance - it doesn't matter if it is the same people at every match - they pay separately for each attendance. For instance the round 1 2012 combined attendance for 5 matches in Melbourne was 261,000. It could have been 261,000 individuals but as none of the matches were on at the same time it could have been the same 50,000 or so at every match - but the attendance at the 5 matches would still be 261,000.

It is possible that the AFL could have that data from scanning members passes and ticket agency bookings. Advertisers at the grounds might not be pleased if it was the same 50,000 or so at each match! Perhaps they do know?

The intention of spreading matches over a number of days was to increase the chance of the same people going to multiple matches. In 1987 83% of the matches in Victoria were played on a Saturday. In 2007 43% of matches in Victoria were played on a Saturday.
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Ahk that makes more sense.

Maybe I think too deep with this matter but it's something to think of and have a discussion.
 
Last 100 to 1,000 Wins to the end of 2012.​
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  • Geelong have realised their last 100 wins from 147 fewer matches than Richmond.
  • Richmond are the only team who have competed every year from 2001 yet to win 100 matches this century.
  • Geelong's last 200 wins have come in 9 fewer years than Richmond's.
  • Richmond and Melbourne are the only teams to have competed in the last 20 seasons to have not had at least 200 wins.
  • Geelong's last 300 wins have come in 12 fewer years than Richmond's.
  • Richmond and Melbourne are the only teams to have competed in the last 30 seasons to have not had at least 300 wins.
  • Hawthorn's last 400 wins have come in 16 fewer years than Melbourne's
  • St Kilda and Melbourne are the only teams to have competed in the last 40 seasons to have not had at least 400 wins.
  • Hawthorn's last 500 wins have taken 18 fewer years than Melbourne's and Sydney/SM's.
  • Melbourne and Sydney/SM are the only teams to have competed in the last 50 seasons to have not had at least 500 wins.
  • Hawthorn's last 600 wins have taken 26 fewer years than Sydney/SM's.
  • Collingwood has to go back to 1950 for their last 800 wins, St Kilda back to 1915.
  • Carlton and Collingwood have both had their last 1,000 wins in the last 80 seasons, but Carlton have won their 1,000 from 6 fewer matches.

 

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Last 6 in How Many Years?​
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  • Hawthorn's last 6 premierships have come in 34 years - Collingwood's last 6 premierships in 82 years.
  • Geelong's last 6 grand finals have come in 20 years - St Kilda's in 99 years.
  • Collingwood's last 6 preliminary finals have come in 10 years - Sydney/SM's in 76 years.
  • Richmond's last 6 finals series have come in 38 years - next longest for 6 finals series is Melbourne's 17 years.
 
Opponent with Best/Worst Match/Win Percent Against:​
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  • From 1897-1986 every club had their worst performance against one of only two other clubs. Since then the the list has been extended to seven clubs.
  • In the last 10 seasons 8 clubs have had their best match/win % against either of just two other clubs.
  • In the last 10 seasons 8 clubs have had their worst match/win% against either of just two other clubs.
  • In the last 5 seasons 13 clubs have had their best match/win % against either of just two other clubs.
  • In the last 5 seasons12 clubs have had their worst match/win % against either of just two other clubs.​

 
RogersResults said:
Opponent with Best/Worst Match/Win Percent Against:​
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  • From 1897-1986 every club had their worst performance against one of only two other clubs. Since then the the list has been extended to seven clubs.
  • In the last 10 seasons 8 clubs have had their best match/win % against either of just two other clubs.
  • In the last 10 seasons 8 clubs have had their worst match/win% against either of just two other clubs.
  • In the last 5 seasons 13 clubs have had their best match/win % against either of just two other clubs.
  • In the last 5 seasons12 clubs have had their worst match/win % against either of just two other clubs.

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Magnificent stats R.R....they are fascinating. An interesting fact in your last table of the list above....the performances in the last five seasons....i am sure Hawthorn and Sydney would not swap their relatively dismal 9.09% and 12.50% records against Geelong and Collingwood in that period for all the tea in China, as those singular victories occurred in the Grand Finals of '08 and '12 respectively!

It has to be remarkable in the modern era of footy, that the Tigers have saluted just eight times against Geelong since 1984, and even more remarkably, saluted just THREE times against a side with a Gary Ablett running around against them. Rd 20 1985, Rd 19 1996 and Rd 9 2006 being those occasions, with the lowly Suns continuing that astonishing sequence these last two years. However i think that the likes of Ron Barassi and a few Hawk and Carlton players of the late 60's and 70's and 80's...had entire careers where a side barely won a match against them (i think you may have identified that, or maybe it was Ron the Bear). But thanks again for the stats, great reading when you need a footy fix.

I guess to put the Ablett scenario another way, the Tigers won five of those eight games in the Ablett hiatus between 1997 and 2001.
 
As a trivial footnote, I think you may find that in 1997 Gary Ablett snr played his last game of all for Geelong, and it was against Richmond. He kicked 7 goals in helping Geelong Reserves defeat Richmond Reserves in round 1, 1997.
 
worbod said:
As a trivial footnote, I think you may find that in 1997 Gary Ablett snr played his last game of all for Geelong, and it was against Richmond. He kicked 7 goals in helping Geelong Reserves defeat Richmond Reserves in round 1, 1997.
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And we were all spewing big time that we lost by 8 points in the seniors, on a fine sunny day where Gazza Sr would probably have done the same thing three hours later! Very costly loss that, as Geelong finished 2nd just a couple of percent behind St.Kilda. The contrast of playing a moderately performed Lions side with a 10-11-1 record in Melbourne as against the reigning premiers the Kangaroos at night in the wet in a first final was very significant.

On the same note, i am guessing now only Dustin Fletcher and Brent Harvey remain of players to have played against the two Abletts.
 
Catsace said:
On the same note, i am guessing now only Dustin Fletcher and Brent Harvey remain of players to have played against the two Abletts.
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Harvey did debut in 1996 (Ablett senior's last year), but his one and only game was in round 22 against Richmond. So that would leave Fletcher as the only one to have played against both Abletts.
 

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35Daicos said:
Harvey did debut in 1996 (Ablett senior's last year), but his one and only game was in round 22 against Richmond. So that would leave Fletcher as the only one to have played against both Abletts.
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Wasn't sure if Harvey played the QF in 1996 against Geelong. Cheers.
 
Teammates: Ablett snr 164, Ablett jnr 125, both 10
Opponents: Ablett snr 1174, Ablett jnr 1073, both 118
Teammate and opponent: Ablett snr 61, Ablett jnr 50
 
Ron The Bear said:
Teammates: Ablett snr 164, Ablett jnr 126, both 10
Opponents: Ablett snr 1498, Ablett jnr 1541, both 118
Teammate and opponent: Ablett snr 61, Ablett jnr 50
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My response was only in regard to current players who played against the two Abletts, of course.

"now only Dustin Fletcher and Brent Harvey remain of players to have played against the two Abletts."
 
35Daicos said:
My response was only in regard to current players who played against the two Abletts, of course.

"now only Dustin Fletcher and Brent Harvey remain of players to have played against the two Abletts."
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Yep, just thought I'd post some random stats which came about as a result of checking. :)
 
A few years ago I asked a question as to who had scored the most goals against particular opponents in one season. The leader was Peter McKenna with his 32 goals against Carlton in four games in 1970 (8, 9, 9, 6). Pretty sure it was Ron the Bear who compiled the list.

In relation to other efforts in other major leagues, I have discovered Peter Hudson scoring 52 for Glenorchy versus Hobart in 1979 (7, 15, 18, 12).
Not sure if this is the outright record for the SANFL, but Ken Farmer kicked 37 for North Adelaide versus South Adelaide in three games in 1933 (9, 12, 16).
Wonder if Up For Grabs knows the WAFL record.

In the Victorian Amateurs comp Bill Pearson kicked 54 for Old Scotch versus University Blacks in four games in 1934 (24, 17, 2, 11).
 

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