Think the Bombers/Lions game this year was one....i think (not certain though) that no side led by even as much as two clear goals..
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Think the Bombers/Lions game this year was one....i think (not certain though) that no side led by even as much as two clear goals..
Since 2008,the only game not to feature a double figure margin was this one
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2010/051620100606.html#prog
The final margin was in fact the largest of the game.
St Kilda's 20 pt margin here is lowest (since 2008) where only one team led (I think)
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2008/151620080322.html
This game had margins of 2 or less at each change
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/1927/031619270430.html
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2010/051620100606.html#prog
The final margin was in fact the largest of the game.
St Kilda's 20 pt margin here is lowest (since 2008) where only one team led (I think)
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2008/151620080322.html
This game had margins of 2 or less at each change
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/1927/031619270430.html
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I guess you just looked for the lowest winning margin to narrow it down?
then by quarters
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Good work, is that your job, or just mad keen about footy?
So could you go, Ok I want to know how well x team performs during minutes 5-15 in the third quarter, and bring up the scores and stats for that particular period.
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Today, the GWS Giants failed to kick a goal in the first and third quarters against Fremantle, scoring 0.3 & 0.2 respectively, yet in the second term they were highly accurate, scoring 5.0.
Does anyone know if it is common for games where a team fails to score a goal in one quarter, and does not kick a goal another to occur, discounting scoreless quarters?
I could think of a few such games, but none recently. For example, the Western Bulldogs started a Round 15 2005 game against the Crows with great accuracy, and were 5.0 midway through the third term, only to lose their accuracy and match this with 5 behinds, finishing with 5.5 in an 80-point hiding from Adelaide.
Going back to the early 1990s, the Bulldogs took on the Cats in Round 18 1991 at Kardinia Park, and kicked 3.0 in each of the first and second terms to be 6.0 at half time, but when the siren sounded for 3/4 time, the Dogs had 6.6 to their name. Oddly enough, the Cats ended up exactly doubling the Dogs' score in this strange game, winning 20.16-136 to 10.8-68. In Round 4 1994 Fitzroy's accurate 4.0 kept them in touch with the Eagles to 1/4 time at the WACA, but fell right away with 0.3 in the second term as West Coast built up a 50-point lead, the Lions eventually going down by 76 points.
Does anyone know if it is common for games where a team fails to score a goal in one quarter, and does not kick a goal another to occur, discounting scoreless quarters?
I could think of a few such games, but none recently. For example, the Western Bulldogs started a Round 15 2005 game against the Crows with great accuracy, and were 5.0 midway through the third term, only to lose their accuracy and match this with 5 behinds, finishing with 5.5 in an 80-point hiding from Adelaide.
Going back to the early 1990s, the Bulldogs took on the Cats in Round 18 1991 at Kardinia Park, and kicked 3.0 in each of the first and second terms to be 6.0 at half time, but when the siren sounded for 3/4 time, the Dogs had 6.6 to their name. Oddly enough, the Cats ended up exactly doubling the Dogs' score in this strange game, winning 20.16-136 to 10.8-68. In Round 4 1994 Fitzroy's accurate 4.0 kept them in touch with the Eagles to 1/4 time at the WACA, but fell right away with 0.3 in the second term as West Coast built up a 50-point lead, the Lions eventually going down by 76 points.
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Not exactly a stats question but, a question I was hoping someone could help me with.
In the finals, what happens if a game ends in a draw? With the Grand Final, they can play again next week - with the preliminary finals and semi finals, when would they play the second game?
In the finals, what happens if a game ends in a draw? With the Grand Final, they can play again next week - with the preliminary finals and semi finals, when would they play the second game?
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Extra time, five minutes each way. Last happened in 2007.
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would throw off the entire schedule for the finals if they did that.
west coast and collingwood played a draw in the finals in 1990, then a replay the following week which pushed the grand final back to the first saturday of october.
i was too young to remember, but i imagine the logistics for people wanting to attend games, particularly the grand final, would have been messed about massively.
i would like drawn finals to be decided by more than 5 minutes each way, which is a bit of a crapshoot imo. 10 minutes each way would be the equivalent to a full quarter, which imo is enough to determine the better team... though if we had an extra 5 each way in that 2007 drawn final v the pies we may have ended up getting belted by 50
5 goals or more - in addition to GWS' feat:
Round 16, 1964: Collingwood 0.3, 8.0, 0.1, 4.3
Round 15, 1965: Carlton 0.1, 5.0, 0.0, 0.1
Round 16, 1943: Hawthorn 0.4, 0.4, 6.0, 1.8
Round 10, 1942: Hawthorn 0.5,7.3, 6.0, 0.2
Round 8, 1907: Collingwood 7.0, 0.0,0.0,4.3
Round 1, 1927: Footsccray 3.1, 0.1, 0.1, 7.0
Hey guys, I've been a bit dissatisfied with the defensive strategies of the game this year, and want to see more free-flowing, 20+ goal per team matches. That being said, I also don't want to watch blowouts, but instead tight, thrilling matches.
I've gone through the scores and grabbed ones that looked interesting, but then I figured that I could get it down to a science, so my question is thus:
In the modern era of score-by-score data (i.e., since 2008), what matches have the most lead changes?
I figure that matches with a high number of scoring shots are more likely to have a high number of lead changes, so this should help in finding very tightly contested matches that are still free-flowing and pouring goals.
Thanks!
I've gone through the scores and grabbed ones that looked interesting, but then I figured that I could get it down to a science, so my question is thus:
In the modern era of score-by-score data (i.e., since 2008), what matches have the most lead changes?
I figure that matches with a high number of scoring shots are more likely to have a high number of lead changes, so this should help in finding very tightly contested matches that are still free-flowing and pouring goals.
Thanks!
You haven't said whether you are aware or not but all the data on progressive scoring from 2008 onwards is here: http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/season_idx.html - (match stats/scoring progression).
I don't believe that AFL Tables has the information about lead changes in a form that can be easily retrieved from a database query and if that is the case you have yourself a project and an opportunity to make a contribution to the general knowledge.
If you want matches with each team scoring 20 goals and the margins being under 30 points, you'll only find one of them 2008-2013, you need to go way back to the the 1970s and the 1980s for those. There have been 54 such matches in 117 seasons - 4 before 1970 and 31 from 1970 to 1989 - 11 in the 1990s - and the remaining 8 occurrences 2001 to 2008.
The scoring progression of the only 'modern' example is here: http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2008/030520080405.html#prog
Yeah, I'm aware, but after Paul's recent post I was wondering if any of the stats gurus around here could wrangle the data into an answer, I like trying to challenge you guys
The "over 20 goals" figure was a bit of an embellishment, but wow, that's actually rather surprising that there's only the one in the last five years, and 8 in the 8 preceding it. I really do miss the early 2000s and the prevalent big full forward.
Yeah, I'm aware, but after Paul's recent post I was wondering if any of the stats gurus around here could wrangle the data into an answer, I like trying to challenge you guys
The "over 20 goals" figure was a bit of an embellishment, but wow, that's actually rather surprising that there's only the one in the last five years, and 8 in the 8 preceding it. I really do miss the early 2000s and the prevalent big full forward.
Here's a list of all the matches 2008-2013 R20 where both teams kicked at least 16 goals - now you are on your own.
WB/Footscray 19 12 126 Adelaide 18 15 123 2008 1
Essendon 23 12 150 Carlton 21 8 134 2008 3
Port Adelaide 16 8 104 Brisbane 18 16 124 2008 4
Brisbane 17 16 118 Hawthorn 19 16 130 2008 5
West Coast 16 8 104 Port Adelaide 19 14 128 2008 5
WB/Footscray 19 16 130 Richmond 20 10 130 2008 5
Richmond 16 11 107 St Kilda 17 8 110 2008 7
Fremantle 17 9 111 WB/Footscray 17 12 114 2008 8
WB/Footscray 16 14 110 Nth Melbourne 16 17 113 2008 9
Nth Melbourne 17 12 114 Geelong 19 13 127 2008 11
Port Adelaide 19 9 123 Richmond 20 7 127 2008 13
Essendon 24 11 155 Brisbane 18 10 118 2008 15
Carlton 18 11 119 Sydney/SM 18 13 121 2008 16
Richmond 18 9 117 Brisbane 16 18 114 2008 17
Essendon 19 10 124 Melbourne 17 6 108 2008 18
Nth Melbourne 21 10 136 WB/Footscray 18 8 116 2008 19
West Coast 17 11 113 Essendon 16 7 103 2008 19
Brisbane 16 13 109 Carlton 18 7 115 2008 21
Carlton 16 16 112 Essendon 17 14 116 2009 3
Fremantle 18 13 121 Sydney/SM 16 4 100 2009 5
Nth Melbourne 20 5 125 Port Adelaide 18 12 120 2009 7
Geelong 17 14 116 WB/Footscray 17 12 114 2009 9
Fremantle 17 10 112 Richmond 17 13 115 2009 10
Brisbane 16 10 106 Carlton 16 16 112 2009 11
Essendon 18 6 114 Adelaide 21 4 130 2009 11
WB/Footscray 16 14 110 Collingwood 17 9 111 2009 15
Essendon 16 14 110 St Kilda 16 12 108 2009 20
Carlton 16 8 104 Adelaide 27 14 176 2009 22
Fremantle 18 17 125 Geelong 17 16 118 2010 3
Carlton 16 6 102 Collingwood 24 11 155 2010 6
Essendon 16 10 106 Port Adelaide 17 7 109 2010 7
Melbourne 17 9 111 Port Adelaide 16 14 110 2010 9
Collingwood 17 11 113 WB/Footscray 16 7 103 2010 11
Nth Melbourne 18 11 119 Essendon 18 14 122 2010 17
Richmond 16 16 112 Port Adelaide 18 14 122 2010 22
Gold Coast 18 16 124 Brisbane 17 14 116 2011 7
WB/Footscray 23 15 153 Richmond 18 10 118 2011 8
Essendon 18 7 115 Geelong 16 15 111 2011 15
Nth Melbourne 21 16 142 WB/Footscray 17 9 111 2011 17
Brisbane 16 9 105 Adelaide 16 14 110 2011 20
Melbourne 17 8 110 Richmond 17 15 117 2011 22
Essendon 17 18 120 Port Adelaide 17 11 113 2011 23
Hawthorn 20 17 137 Collingwood 16 19 115 2012 1
Nth Melbourne 20 11 131 Geelong 16 18 114 2012 3
St Kilda 16 17 113 Richmond 18 13 121 2012 10
Adelaide 17 13 115 St Kilda 16 15 111 2012 12
Hawthorn 17 14 116 Geelong 18 10 118 2012 19
Richmond 16 10 106 Port Adelaide 16 10 106 2012 23
Geelong 16 16 112 Nth Melbourne 17 6 108 2013 2
Port Adelaide 17 16 118 Adelaide 16 13 109 2013 3
Sydney/SM 16 7 103 Geelong 19 10 124 2013 4
GWS Giants 16 8 104 Gold Coast 21 22 148 2013 5
Nth Melbourne 19 10 124 Adelaide 18 17 125 2013 9
Hawthorn 19 9 123 West Coast 16 7 103 2013 13
Brisbane 18 9 117 Nth Melbourne 17 3 105 2013 16
Nth Melbourne 16 12 108 Carlton 16 13 109 2013 17
West Coast 20 10 130 Gold Coast 17 11 113 2013 19
Geelong 20 9 129 Port Adelaide 16 8 104 2013 20
These matches had 10 or more changes..doesn't count the opening score as lead change, nor drawing level. In the BL v Ess game, Ess led throughout the first qrt, the first lead change was 2m into the 2nd qrt
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18 Brisbane Lions (14.12) Essendon (12.14) R8, 2013
16 Sydney (12.17) Essendon (12.8) R11, 2010
14 Richmond (14.15) North Melbourne (15.13) R17, 2012
14 Port Adelaide (11.11) Essendon (19.13) R16, 2012
14 Geelong (17.16) Fremantle (18.17) R3, 2010
13 Port Adelaide (14.8) Carlton (17.16) R8, 2010
13 Hawthorn (20.17) Collingwood (16.19) R1, 2012
12 Sydney (17.10) Fremantle (15.18) R19, 2008
12 St Kilda (17.8) Richmond (16.11) R7, 2008
12 Richmond (23.10) Fremantle (14.15) R7, 2011
12 Richmond (13.13) Carlton (14.11) R18, 2012
12 Richmond (12.16) Carlton (17.16) R14, 2008
12 Geelong (15.11) Fremantle (16.9) R1, 2012
11 Sydney (14.10) Adelaide (15.9) R6, 2012
11 Sydney (12.13) Richmond (14.5) R14, 2010
11 Port Adelaide (17.7) Essendon (16.10) R7, 2010
10 Sydney (15.10) North Melbourne (13.7) R14, 2009
10 Sydney (14.12) Fremantle (13.9) R20, 2010
10 St Kilda (16.17) Richmond (18.13) R10, 2012
10 Richmond (16.9) Essendon (13.11) R9, 2011
10 Richmond (12.14) Melbourne (12.10) R18, 2009
10 North Melbourne (13.9) Collingwood (15.13) R1, 2013
10 North Melbourne (11.18) Carlton (14.10) R18, 2009
10 Melbourne (12.13) Collingwood (12.14) R2, 2010
10 Geelong (18.11) Collingwood (12.9) GF, 2011
10 Brisbane Lions (15.14) Geelong (20.13) R17, 2011- Dec 17, 2006
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Melbourne have had a hard time of things lately, and I noticed that they had not beaten four teams - Geelong, Hawthorn, St Kilda & Nth Melbourne - since 2006, and have not defeated Carlton or Collingwood since 2007, although the Demons' 2010 team did draw against the Magpies that year.
While there are quite a few cases of long-term bogey teams, such as the dominance of Hawthorn and Essendon over lowly St Kilda in the 1980s, are there any cases like Melbourne's where struggling teams have had long runs of outs against multiple teams?
While there are quite a few cases of long-term bogey teams, such as the dominance of Hawthorn and Essendon over lowly St Kilda in the 1980s, are there any cases like Melbourne's where struggling teams have had long runs of outs against multiple teams?
Note also that until a few weeks ago, the 'drought' clubs included the Bulldogs (2007).
Excluding defunct clubs, this is one of the more extreme cases in VFL/AFL history. Fitzroy in 1969 was experiencing 8-year droughts v Carlton, Essendon, Richmond and St.Kilda, plus 7 years against Hawthorn.
Geelong in 1947 were in a similar position, but had been in hiatus for two years in the early 40's due to war.
The other clubs with 7-year droughts against four opponents, like Melbourne now, were Carlton in 2008 and Hawthorn in 1952.
No other club matches Melbourne's 7-club x 6-years-plus drought leading into Round 14.
Sydney had 6 x 6+ in 1995
Fitzroy 6 x 6+ 1969
Geelong 6 x 6+ 1946-47
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Thanks Ron The Bear - I thought Melbourne's case was quite extreme, and clubs I thought might be close to Melbourne - Hawthorn in the early 50s, Geelong in the 40s, Sydney in the early 90s and Fitzroy in the 60s (a decade that started so well for the Lions with promising seasons in 1960 & 1961) - all appearing.
When I posted this I thought of Fitzroy's 1990s team, but the Lions of this era were a dangerous opponent in 1992 & 1993, upsetting many more-fancied teams and challenging for the finals, so this ruled them out. The only team these Fitzroy teams seemed to make a bogey team of were their proposed 1989 merger partners Footscray, with the Lions failing to beat the Bulldogs after this year and the drought continuing until the 1996 merger.
The merger partners the Brisbane Bears had some problems with a number of teams after their admission in 1987. The Bears took until 1994 to defeat Collingwood and Essendon, and did not defeat the West Coast Eagles until 1996, the last year of their decade-long tenure. The Bears also struggled against Adelaide, and only managed to take the points against the Crows in one season (1995) of the five years they played in the AFL together.
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Matthew Lobbe has had three 40+ hit out games consecutively, including a massive 59 against Geelong, the third highest tally in history.
What is the record for most 40+ hit out games in a row by an individual?
What is the record for most 40+ hit out games in a row by an individual?
West Coast scored their lowest ever score at Subiaco Oval last week, and their lowest ever MCG score this week.
Discounting the first time teams played at grounds, when was the last occasion that a team scored their lowest ever scores at separate grounds in consecutive weeks?
Discounting the first time teams played at grounds, when was the last occasion that a team scored their lowest ever scores at separate grounds in consecutive weeks?
North Melbourne
R11 2013 51 v GC at Carrara (13th match, prev low 54)
R13 2013 29 v Freo at Subiaco (27th match, prev low 49)
I can only find 56 of these
- 28 involve a club's 2nd game at a venue
- a further 13 involve a club's 3rd game at a venue
The others are:
\Ge|65 & 66|Junction Oval & East Melbourne Cricket Ground|4 & 7|1900 R3 & SR1
\Un|66 & 67|MCG & Princes Park|9 & 4|1911 R12-13
\NM|73 & 74|Brunswick St. Oval & Whitten Oval|4 & 4|1929 R2-3
\WB|87 & 88|MCG & Glenferrie Oval|5 & 5|1929 R16-17
\WB|125 & 126|Arden St. Oval & Windy Hill|4 & 6|1931 R18 & 1932 R1
\Ha|142 & 143|Lakeside Oval & Windy Hill|6 & 6|1932 R17-18
\Ha|460 & 461|Arden St. Oval & Kardinia Park|22 & 8|1950 R11-12
\WB|645 & 646|Whitten Oval & Brunswick St. Oval|308 & 31|1960 R4-5
\Br|75 & 76|Metricon Stadium & Moorabbin|37 & 4|1990 R9-10
\Ad|204 & 205|AAMI & SCG|101 & 8|1999 R19-20
\Ha|1627 & 1628|Etihad & Aurora Stadium|19 & 6|2004 R7-8
\Br|439 & 440|Etihad & Kardinia Park|21 & 15|2005 R22 & 2006 R1
\PA|343 & 344|AAMI & MCG|188 & 32|2011 R20-21
\NM|1836 & 1837|Metricon Stadium & Patersons Stadium|13 & 27|2013 R11-13
\WC|633 & 634|Patersons Stadium & MCG|273 & 70|2013 R21-22
