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Its time to step up the pace dude. 2009 has to be the year, where you bring it on. FF is what we need, the time and effort, has been put into your development, you have shown the tigerheads and for that matter the AFL world that you can kick a bag, so no ****ing excuses, pull your finger out and make FF your own with a conservative 60 goals minimum. ;)
 
Argee. He is the age where he has to now.

As i've said before, I really think he is going to take the next step this year. Have this feeling in my pants.

Round 1 - 6 goals - Cleve the Steamer. Tigers win by 31. :thumbsu:
 

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He needs to show that he can play below his knees, he needs to crash more packs, he needs to provide greater defensive forward pressure, needs to still provide useful when lace out delivery is not coming into the forward line.

I'd prefer to see those things than simply goals.
 
I'd be happy with 15 games and 25 goals to be honest. That would double his figures from his first 3 years in just 1 year.
 
Rancid_Beasties said:
I'd be happy with 15 games and 25 goals to be honest. That would double his figures from his first 3 years in just 1 year.
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Even pettifer would kick 25 in 15 games and he's a bad flanker.
Clever needs to stand up this year, not tread water and me thinks 25 majors from 15 outings is treading water.
 
tugga said:
Even pettifer would kick 25 in 15 games and he's a bad flanker.
Clever needs to stand up this year, not tread water and me thinks 25 majors from 15 outings is treading water.
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Why is Pettifer a bad flanker? I think he is a better than reasonable flanker, unfortunately thats his only trick.
 
not expecting to much this year but every thing he does is a bonus. id be happy with 15 games and 30-35 goals with atleast 2 games of 5 or more goals. hope he works hard so he can play in the finals.
 

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he needs to be shown confidence in him & continue to be played.

pointless demanding this or that from him if he doesnt get played & constantly gets dropped after 1 bad game.

if he was to be played all year he would EASILY kick 60 goals.
for the good of the richmond teams of the next 8 years. PLAY HIM.

i watched a couple of games on the weekend on bigpond in round 1 where he took that gutsy mark between 2 carltank players he really looked good & confident then after 1 bad game he gets dropped.
 
He mainly needs to work on his fitness. Trim down a bit and get stronger and work on his attack on the ball. Just keep improving weaknesses and he'll get better and better. He should aim for 15 games and 35 goals. Richo would be happy with 60 goals at FF let alone Cleve :cool:
 
I agree with the cinnamon bun. Sadly Hughes is our best FF prospect, so we have to play him in 2009. I don't agree with his deluded expectation that clean knees will "easily" kick 60 goals though. He has not shown anywhere near enough to suggest that outlandish claim.
 
CoggaRules said:
Its time to step up the pace dude. 2009 has to be the year, where you bring it on. FF is what we need, the time and effort, has been put into your development, you have shown the tigerheads and for that matter the AFL world that you can kick a bag, so no ****ing excuses, pull your finger out and make FF your own with a conservative 60 goals minimum. ;)
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Demanding him to kick 60 goals is like demanding you to get a root. Just can't happen and shouldn't be asked of ;)
 
Will be an interesting year for Cleve, not a do or die one in any case.

I'm expecting more from Riewoldt and Schulz than Hughes, but I'm sure he will get his chance.
 

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A lot of very valid points being made here regarding Cleve...

Needs to get stronger, more agressive, bust some packs, improve when the ball is on the turf etc.

I'm wondering though, how much different things may have been for him if he had not picked up an injury around rounds 15 or 16 this year. (Whenever it was)
He had the 6 goal game against Port & followed it up with 3 against the Scum in that debacle of a Centenary game but was starting to gain some confidence in himself IMO.
It was after this that he witnessed the Polak accident as well.

His development seemed to just stop around this time.

Hindsight I know but it's probably fair that we forget about the final 6 weeks of 2008 for Cleve and see what he can produce in 2009 after a solid pre-season and with improved fitness & strength.

I'm not sure if I would be happy if he only played 15 odd games in 2009. (Baring injury off-course)
This would mean he might be in and out of the line up which would still suggest a lack of consistency.
If he is right for FF in round 1 and gets on a roll he should play most games and I'm happy to ask him for say 45 - 50 goals from say 19 - 20 games.

The thing with Cleve is that he only needs to take 4 to 5 marks in the forward 50 per game to kick an average of 3 goals per game.
Yes we ultimately need more output from our FF than 10 - 12 possessions per game but his job initially needs to be our spearhead... guys like Morton & Brown & Connors & Riewoldt & Richo with his cammeo's can provide the variety.

If however, he should again just float in and out of the line-up in 2009 and not show significant improvement then I'm sure the door will hit him on the arse come October 2009!
 
tugga said:
Even pettifer would kick 25 in 15 games and he's a bad flanker.
Clever needs to stand up this year, not tread water and me thinks 25 majors from 15 outings is treading water.
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Yeah well Pettifer isnt 190+ cm is he? At least cleve provides a contest against the big men. I just think its unfair to expect a massive increase in output from him.

Anyway, I dont think he is a full forward. Not enough pace off the mark and not strong enough. His best attributes are his long (supposedly) accurate kicking and his marking. These attributes would serve him well as a CHF sitting just outside the 50 metre arc. He just needs to build up his tank...alot. Otherwise, I think the best he could hope to be is a good looking version of anthony rocca :eek:

Thats why 25 goals from 15 games would be a reasonable target. However, he should also be aiming to average 10-15 disposals, 5+ marks and a couple of goal assists per game.

As far as full forwards go, we have very little stock in the way of a genuine FF other than richo. Schulz has been proven to be useless here...he is an average swingman and nothing more. Putt is a massive :confused:...i thought the goo was going to be our man but alas...now we must have faith that Post is our man. Tall, fast, brilliant mark and an accurate kick...we just need to fast track him :thumbsu:
 
I rekon cleve goes alright.
Everyone says he is a one trick pony and all he does is lead, mark, and kick goals. Well one brendan fevola does exactly this and it seems to go alright for him.:rolleyes:
And i don't know why this would be a do or die year for cleve?? he's 21 or 22 ffs, big full forwards take time we all know this apart from freaks like buddy and he is coming along nicely.
Plus so far he has shown enough to me to consider him a 10 year player, with the courage he has shown such as running back with the flight in round 1, his form against port and the fact that he never misses.
 
he needs to show that he is a good afl player from round one then gets more attention every week that follows.

this is your year cleve.
 

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