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Opinion Stephen Silvagni

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teagueyubeauty said:
[emoji23] you guys....5 years ago MLG was being accused of a boys club bringing SOS in....now it’s about his presidency on SOSs way out

Get a grip man....sheesh


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I never supported the boys club theory. Infact in the mid 2000s without High net worth individuals we were handing the keys back. What you have here is a process driven bureaucrat supported by a weak president chasing out the one person who has an absolute record of success and is the history and spirit of the place. Ask yourself this question when Liddle climbs the corporate ladder and leaves who do we have left in the place?

When the dark days come again as they did in Carlton's recent past, who will be there for us? I know SOS, the Pratts and Matheson will be. Can you say the same for Liddle, and Lloyd ?
 
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Michael Jezz said:
I never supported the boys club theory. Infact in the mid 2000s without High net worth individuals we were handing the keys back. What you have here is a process driven bureaucrat supported by a weak president chasing out the one person who has an absolute record of success and is the history and spirit of the place. Ask yourself this question when Liddle climbs the corporate ladder and leaves who do we have left in the place?

When the dark days come again as they did in Carlton's recent past, who will be there for us? I know SOS, the Pratts and Matheson will be. Can you say the same for Liddle, and Lloyd ?
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So we should populate the administration with wealthy fans because effective administrators will just leave later?
 

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blue healer said:
I might be very wrong here but, if I were head coach, I would see that as my role.
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It's not the coaches role to make demands upon List Management, nor the fitness department.
Problem with the way things operate now, is that it all leaves too much scope for a blame-game to play out.

Everything would come back to a Football Manager who'd have the larger role of not just administrating the football department, but managing the whole ensuring he gets what he wants in order for the game to be played the way he wants it to and with the players he'd want to be involved.

Anyway, a story for another day, but I think we're missing out by having this current system that doesn't necessarily have the whole picture in mind.
 
HARKER said:
It's not the coaches role to make demands upon List Management, nor the fitness department.
Problem with the way things operate now, is that it all leaves too much scope for a blame-game to play out.

Everything would come back to a Football Manager who'd have the larger role of not just administrating the football department, but managing the whole ensuring he gets what he wants in order for the game to be played the way he wants it to and with the players he'd want to be involved.

Anyway, a story for another day, but I think we're missing out by having this current system that doesn't necessarily have the whole picture in mind.
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What does Loyd do then?
 
RobR said:
What does Loyd do then?
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Don't need Lloyd.
Lloyd hasn't a final say on the game-plan, the type of players he wants List Management to give him, Game-day tactics.

One head-honcho that 'truly' runs the whole football department. It makes for a huge responsibility, but makes for a better way.
 
dangerousdane said:
Ok I thought you might of had a more, business related reason.

1. It’s his job to discuss all things Carlton, he is the unofficial spokesman for all club matters, which include trades,recruiting, club direction and everything in between.

2. It’s good for members and supporters to have a clear and consistent message relating to the direction of the club, I’m not sure it makes it harder at all, I can’t see Sydney sitting there, discussing not trading Papley because Liddle expressed a desire for small forwards, I don’t think it made one ounce of difference in getting Betts either, but this is just my opinion.
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Appreciate your positive construction and can understand why most would be looking to write that kind of story about what went on what a great job Liddle is doing - good luck with that.
 
HARKER said:
Don't need Lloyd.
Lloyd hasn't a final say on the game-plan, the type of players he wants List Management to give him, Game-day tactics.

One head-honcho that 'truly' runs the whole football department. It makes for a huge responsibility, but makes for a better way.
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You've outlined what he doesn't do so what the hell does he do?

Can't really call it a job for the boys when he isn't one our ex boys.
 
HARKER said:
Don't need Lloyd.
Lloyd hasn't a final say on the game-plan, the type of players he wants List Management to give him, Game-day tactics.

One head-honcho that 'truly' runs the whole football department. It makes for a huge responsibility, but makes for a better way.
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How are the recent successful clubs structured.. hawks cats tigers lions (2002-2004). Need to look at these clubs and work out a modern successful structure that we also implement.
 

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HARKER said:
Heat has been on Silvagni for some time now and Beatson in our sights for a while.
I feel that's it's the structures we put in place more so than for his productivity, or lack of it, that should be scrutinised.

Silvagni is his own person though and not the easiest individual to get along with, although it's hard to say why the collective could not get along.
This person will say this...and that person will say that...you know how it goes...it's always the other persons fault.

Always said that Silvagni could broker the deals but wasn't the best recruiter.
Why that role either fell into his lap, or was demanded by him was unnecessary and I can understand the friction between Liddle and Silvagni, which then invariably dragged MLG into he picture. Messy
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Beatson from the Swans would be a significant get, given his track record of picking up gems from the 2nd round and later, plus rookie drafts (Papley was a rookie draft pick up)

Really hope your Intel about the power struggle at the club between Liddle and SOS isn't true, it just strikes me as a same old Carlton type of fallout 😥😥
 
HARKER said:
Don't need Lloyd.
Lloyd hasn't a final say on the game-plan, the type of players he wants List Management to give him, Game-day tactics.

One head-honcho that 'truly' runs the whole football department. It makes for a huge responsibility, but makes for a better way.
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What are your thoughts on how a senior coach or list manager would feel about having some of their key responsibilities stripped away from them?

I'm sure there are those out there who would thrive in a more focused, targeted role, but I also think many of the best candidates would be more inclined to go to a club where they can make decisions on gameplan/tactics/list composition themselves.
 
Accidental genius said:
How are the recent successful clubs structured.. hawks cats tigers lions (2002-2004). Need to look at these clubs and work out a modern successful structure that we also implement.
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Poach Neil Balme? Was very influential at Geelong during their flag years as well as Collingwood and his work at Richmond speaks for itself. (Although given his on field thuggery as a player, it probably wouldn't sit well with the generation of fans who were lucky enough to watch us in the 70s.
 
Elmer_Judd said:
Poach Neil Balme? Was very influential at Geelong during their flag years as well as Collingwood and his work at Richmond speaks for itself. (Although given his on field thuggery as a player, it probably wouldn't sit well with the generation of fans who were lucky enough to watch us in the 70s.
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Your last line's pretty much right.
 
Nori said:
Brave CEO to take on a club legend that most pundits reckon has done a good job. I hope he knows what he's doing.
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This CEO is a genius - I have no concerns what so ever about his ability to administrate and coach and list manage and recruit as well as make sure the president is wearing his nappies.
 

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Nori said:
I've always felt that it was not appropriate for SOS to report to Lloyd. SOS was a board appointment, not a CEO appointment.

Given that Lloyd had previously done the job that SOS is now doing also increases the likelihood of egos clashing.
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The way organisations are supposed to work is this:

- Board / president / chair sets the vision and direction for the club / corporation / whatever.

- CEO / MD is responsible for delivering on that vision and direction. That's literally what Chief Executive Officer means: the chief officer of those executing the actual work.

If SOS was appointed by the board and/or reporting directly to the board then that's a problem, because the CEO is supposed to have ultimate responsibility for delivering the vision but there's a part of the delivery that's not under his control. Liddle would be completely within his rights to insist that SOS report through ordinary channels that go through him. (Not saying that's what happened, but if it did then it would be entirely appropriate on Liddle's part.)

Personalities can complicate things (of course) -- even if everyone is completely professional there can be times when two people just don't click for whatever reason. Not necessarily a sign of ego or incompetence or whatever. And if there is a personality problem, you address it by dealing with the people involved, not by sacrificing good governance.
 

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