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Opinion Stephen Silvagni

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JustaBattler said:
Go back to the TV interview SOS did when Mat Llyod said SOS was conflicted in having sons at Club and SOS turned around and said to Lloyd 'do you want to talk about conflicts'? - meaning the appointment of Mat Llyod's brother to Carlton. if you want to speculate - that particular retort to Llyod on TV - was telling.
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I don't think you even know what you're suggesting here, just something.
 
Blue__Balls said:
What exactly did it change?
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CEO has NO BUSINESS declaring trading /drafting strategy - months ahead of the fact - NONE. Thgsi statement was Liddle chest puffing and placing himself front and center - after having Bolton removed and getting Llyod in. President and his 'mate' Judd became nothing to me overnight during this episode - both are amatuer nuffies.
 
JustaBattler said:
CEO has NO BUSINESS declaring trading /drafting strategy - months ahead of the fact - NONE. Thgsi statement was Liddle chest puffing and placing himself front and center - after having Bolton removed and getting Llyod in. President and his 'mate' Judd became nothing to me overnight during this episode - both are amatuer nuffies.
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Still haven't answered the question - what did it change?
 

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smashbox gill said:
The reason I don’t want Sos to go is because he’s the only one I have continued trust in from the footy department.
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SOS is the only modern recruiting guy I’ve ever had faith in at Carlton. Not blind faith either; the trades and deals done to advance the club’s position have been impressive, and maybe Liddle and Lloyd can’t see it because they weren’t at the club back then, but the reset of the list talent/demographic has turned a bleak looking future into an exciting one in a relatively short time. The only things really missing have been a few deft late picks and landed a big fish trade target.

We’re on a nice looking trajectory and I just don’t understand why the club would shoot itself in the foot again when we’ve come so far. The other troubling thing is that this has been leaked to the media. The thing I’ve loved about SOS is that he plays it close to his chest, unlike his predecessors, who telegraphed their draft intentions.
 
djholmes said:
Our spine is great but that is about it. I reckon next season, we will come second last because we have too many small/mid seized mids. We need some bigger bodies in the midfield to compete for the top 8.
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I know it's a bit off topic, but just got to say I think the big bodied mid bit is way off the mark. The toughest mid for the last couple of premiers has been a little nuggety player with pace in Shuey / Prestia. The Eagles biggest mid is more of an outside runner and the Tigers biggest mid is now more of a forward.

Ability to cover the ground is far more important in the midfield than just size. Big mids do look great on TV where they only give you extreme close up shots of congestion though.
 
Still a lot of taking sides without any real inside word. SOS is still answerable to the head of football and CEO/prez. Maybe the coach and executive have a united belief in where the list should head and SOS something else? No point yelling at clouds until something better than a Tom Browne article comes out.
 
Michael Jezz said:
SOS is the only Carlton person left from our winning culture who embraced modern football. Every role has been successful from stkilda assistant, to GWS list management through to his list rebuild at Carlton. What has teague, lloyd or MLG achieved? Liddle was only Richardson's towel boy at Richmond. Mark my words this is the beginning of the end of the MLG presidency
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[emoji23] you guys....5 years ago MLG was being accused of a boys club bringing SOS in....now it’s about his presidency on SOSs way out

Get a grip man....sheesh


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What was the problem with Liddle coming out publicly stating we were keen on small forwards? Seems like some will jump on anything to push an agenda.

SOS is unhappy about being accountable and having to work as a part of a collective team rather than having free reign which he has up until now. He didn’t want Betts and was overruled, he wants the final and ultimate say, even if no one else in his team agrees.
 
dangerousdane said:
What was the problem with Liddle coming out publicly stating we were keen on small forwards? Seems like some will jump on anything to push an agenda.

SOS is unhappy about being accountable and having to work as a part of a collective team rather than having free reign which he has up until now. He didn’t want Betts and was overruled, he wants the final and ultimate say, even if no one else in his team agrees.
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"Lots of things", apparently...


 
teagueyubeauty said:
[emoji23] you guys....5 years ago MLG was being accused of a boys club bringing SOS in....now it’s about his presidency on SOSs way out

Get a grip man....sheesh


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Love it, the amount pushing for SOS to have ultimate authority and to answer to no one is incredible. Talk about messiah comp,ex
 

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dangerousdane said:
JAB I’m interested to hear why you think Liddle stating we were after smallforwards, was a big deal.
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two reasons

1. It is none of his business to be commenting on Club 'needs' as far as trading/recruiting goes.
2. Why telegraph anything ? There is no good in that - if anything it makes getting what you want more difficult.
 
JustaBattler said:
pathetic .
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You'll get a more substantial response when you offer one yourself, Jab. You're shouting at the wind.

Liddle putting on the record that we were going to be looking to shore up our small forward stocks was not only, in no way, damaging to us, it was also patently obvious to anyone with half a brain. We lost nothing by being forthright, and whilst there was probably no notable "gain" either, I imagine it was driven by Liddle's desire for more transparency and communication with fans. A "we know fans are frustrated at our lack of small forwards, don't worry, we're working on it" moment, not a "Quick every other club, hide your small forwards!".
 
JustaBattler said:
two reasons

1. It is none of his business to be commenting on Club 'needs' as far as trading/recruiting goes.
2. Why telegraph anything ? There is no good in that - if anything it makes getting what you want more difficult.
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Ok I thought you might of had a more, business related reason.

1. It’s his job to discuss all things Carlton, he is the unofficial spokesman for all club matters, which include trades,recruiting, club direction and everything in between.

2. It’s good for members and supporters to have a clear and consistent message relating to the direction of the club, I’m not sure it makes it harder at all, I can’t see Sydney sitting there, discussing not trading Papley because Liddle expressed a desire for small forwards, I don’t think it made one ounce of difference in getting Betts either, but this is just my opinion.
 

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HARKER said:
That's one of the issues of not having a Football Manager.
Not a head of football but a manager who develops the game we'll play and the types we need for that game to be executed to maximum effect.
A manager who sees the bigger picture and brings in the List Managers, Recruiters and Coaches and makes the big calls and moulds the whole.

Guess we're not ready for that yet and maybe haven't enough intelligence in the industry to attract such an individual involved....but it will come.
Too much possible disconnect and finger-pointing between coaching, list management and football management as things stand right now.
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I might be very wrong here but, if I were head coach, I would see that as my role.
 
Nori said:
I've always felt that it was not appropriate for SOS to report to Lloyd. SOS was a board appointment, not a CEO appointment.

Given that Lloyd had previously done the job that SOS is now doing also increases the likelihood of egos clashing.
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And yet, if you've got a GM of Football who was a list manager at an interstate club, I reckon you'd also want him passing on any potentially helpful information or recommendations to our list management team. Up to the LM team to then factor that information in accordingly and let their integrity speak for itself. Ditto Liddle and Ellis - if the relationship is there to be leveraged to get a conversation happening, I don't see any issues as long as the ultimate decision rests with the appropriate team.

Deluca makes sense in context of the position the club was in at the middle of last season. Ellis makes sense as a possible target, but the LM team knocked him back in favour of other options (Martin, Newnes). Maybe there's some personality clashes happening, but let's not pretend that anyone other than the LM team is making the final call based on their own judgement of all information available to them from whatever channels.
 
JustaBattler said:
Go back to the TV interview SOS did when Mat Llyod said SOS was conflicted in having sons at Club and SOS turned around and said to Lloyd 'do you want to talk about conflicts'? - meaning the appointment of Mat Llyod's brother to Carlton. if you want to speculate - that particular retort to Llyod on TV - was telling.
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I agree with much of what you say but if SOS was inferring that there was a problem because Matt LLoyd's brother was our head of footy that is a petty response to a petty comment and doesn't do him any service.

If that were a consistent approach taken by football clubs they would only appoint ex-players as coaches and what about the conflict surrounding the Scott twins coaching different clubs, neither of which they played for.

I don't have stance on this SOS rumour and will wait on what eventuates before commenting on him or any other person in the club.
 

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