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I’ve worked out who you remind me of, Rowey. He too is quick to defend the sporting teams/sportspeople he supports whilst he’s negative against those he doesn’t.

You both do it by making statements that aren’t overly accurate.
Funnily enough Gideon Haigh has pretty much said the same thing.

As long as the series loss was the last we ever see of Shaun Marsh, it was worth it.
 

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And even this series, against one of the worst Australian teams in history, they could certainly have lost other tests if the toss hadn't gone their way.
Yeeeaaaah ... BUT they didn't. Plus, they won the series 2-1 in actual fact, and dominated every major statistic along the way wrt to batting and bowling (have a look:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ing_bowling_by_team.html?id=12384;type=series).
Who's to say that Australia would have won the Adelaide Test if they batted first? Why not speculate about another middle order collapse that gets them done by an Innings+runs? (well, because that didn't happen, either :rolleyes:).
Test results don't add the "But ifs" that you and Vader have speculated about. There's no mention of toin coss outcomes, weather, badly prepared wickets (eg batting roads where India made 6/622 and all we could manage was 300 all out), or wickets that turned sideways etc nor what might-have-happened if things were different.

India were very good in beating the team that we presented.
Australia was poor, by comparison.

Here, this might help --- if you research the AFL GF result for 2017 every site will tell you that Richmond won the Flag. There will be no qualification along the lines of "... but the Crows might have won IF they were at full strength and IF the team was more united (Jake Lever hubbub) and IF the Umpires weren't crap and IF ... and IF ... etc".
 

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I think the pitches in Melbourne and Sydney hurt us more than the toss. Our batsmen are incapable of reaching a competent total even on the flattest of decks, but those conditions were a lot friendlier for the Indians. We should stick to producing wickets which give the bowlers some assistance, like in Adelaide and Perth.
This!!!
 

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1) It may have affected the result of the Adelaide test. 2) If Australia won in Adelaide, then the final result would have been 2-1 our way - a thoroughly undeserved series win, by (arguably) the worst Australian Test team ever.
1) Equally, it may not. Australia might have been rolled for 80 etc etc etc but that didn't happen, either.
2) BUT Australia did not win in Adelaide. The final result was 2-1, their way, a thoroughly deserved result against the rabble we dished up to them.
I enjoy a lot of your posts, but I am bewildered why you persist with the if-things-were-different speculation o_O.
Things weren't 'different'.
 

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If Australia won in Adelaide, then the final result would have been 2-1 our way - a thoroughly undeserved series win, by (arguably) the worst Australian Test team ever.
I don't think it's really arguable. Surely the only contenders would be the 1980s teams post-WSC/mass retirements and rebel tours.

Even then we still had Allan Border as captain and I don't recall us going an entire series without a single batsman making a century.

This lot of batsmen are pure garbage. The bowlers were woeful on the whole too. India out-bowled us on our own pitches.
 
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I may watch zero cricket and simply follow it on social media ......but there's nothing here that i haven't been saying for a long time .....if i can see it, why can't others ......or did the $$$$$ muddy the waters of what needed to be done

It feels like yesterday the national Test team was the peak of sporting existence. Twice since 1999 they won 16 consecutive Tests and were lauded at times as the modern day invincibles.

But the golden generation has not been replaced and there is no active batsman in the country who has made 1000 first-class runs in a season.

Australia will improve again and will win series in the future, but the question must be asked whether the batting performances of the past 12 months are an anomaly or a pattern that’s been developing for a decade or more?



IT IS ALL T20 CRICKET’S FAULT

There is a clear correlation between the rise of T20 cricket and the fall of Australia’s batting depth. Coincidence or otherwise, the short form of the game has helped a generation of batsmen prosper who have more shots but less patience.
 

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I may watch zero cricket and simply follow it on social media ......but there's nothing here that i haven't been saying for a long time .....if i can see it, why can't others ......or did the $$$$$ muddy the waters of what needed to be done




IT IS ALL T20 CRICKET’S FAULT

There is a clear correlation between the rise of T20 cricket and the fall of Australia’s batting depth. Coincidence or otherwise, the short form of the game has helped a generation of batsmen prosper who have more shots but less patience.
All our opponents also have T20 cricket. If it's stuffing our batting up it should be stuffing up theirs too.
 

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1) Equally, it may not. Australia might have been rolled for 80 etc etc etc but that didn't happen, either.
2) BUT Australia did not win in Adelaide. The final result was 2-1, their way, a thoroughly deserved result against the rabble we dished up to them.
I enjoy a lot of your posts, but I am bewildered why you persist with the if-things-were-different speculation o_O.
Things weren't 'different'.
Nothing wrong with speculation if it’s based on agreeable observations.
Examples:
“If only we didn’t get injuries to half of our team, we could have won it instead of a draw”.
“If only the frees weren’t 50-10 against us, we could have won it instead of a 2-goal loss”.

Indians generally batted well, but it was based on 2-3 of their main batters that showed consistency. Whereas, we didn’t have any consistent batters. At the end of the day, the series result was as predictable as predictable can be.
 

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You didn't read the article did you ? ......that was explained why India as an example structures there comps better than us
I have another theory, maybe our players aren’t as adaptable than other countries? Some countries have players who can switch well between T20 and Test matches, whilst countries such as ours aren’t coping with the differences in pacing between the T20 and the longer version.

The adaptability theory works both ways. For example, I remember 1-2 years ago Smith was getting a stack of centuries/double centuries on his way to becoming the highest-average current batsman. He then played in the ODI or maybe T20 series immediately after and didn’t appear to pace himself faster than the other batsmen. ie. he looked like he was still in Test mode!
 
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I have another theory, maybe our players aren’t as adaptable than other countries? Some countries have players who can switch well between T20 and Test matches, whilst countries such as ours aren’t coping with the differences in pacing between the T20 and the longer version.

The adaptability theory works both ways. For example, I remember 1-2 years ago Smith was getting a stack of centuries/double centuries on his way to becoming the highest-average current batsman. He then played in the ODI or maybe T20 series immediately after and didn’t appear to pace himself faster than the other batsmen. ie. he looked like he was still in Test mode!
IMO young kids are practicing for the shorter form of the game, rather than a technique of crease occupation and technique ......it's a cultural issue that goes back many years, and includes our test theories of scoring quickly to give ourselves the time to bowl opposition sides out

We traditionally had the balance right between "crease occupiers" and "attacking" players ........who are the crease occupiers now?

Saw one dismissal the other day, the Aussie batsman chopped on .....there was bat pad gap of nearly a foot .....clearly a one day technique, where the track is flat and the ball hardly deviates
 

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So despite the fact sides are so terrible away we still needed to win the toss to win a test match?
In Melbourne we probably would have got rolled for 250 in the first dig and India could have quite easily made 400 on that pitch to again roll us in the 2nd innings.
Last test we incredibly lucky to get away with the draw.

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India was 8-100 in the Melbourne test.

It was incredibly easy to bat on for two days and incredibly hard for three, once the pitch had dried out.

It was terrible groundskeeping, and a horrendous toss to lose.

Australia could have easily won Adelaide and Melbourne, with a different result at the toss.

And that doesn't change the fact we were embarrassingly bad.
 

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I’ve worked out who you remind me of, Rowey. He too is quick to defend the sporting teams/sportspeople he supports whilst he’s negative against those he doesn’t.

You both do it by making statements that aren’t overly accurate.
Feel free to point out my inaccuracies. You don't do that very often - you just tumble into your crazy rants.
 

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Yeeeaaaah ... BUT they didn't. Plus, they won the series 2-1 in actual fact, and dominated every major statistic along the way wrt to batting and bowling (have a look:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ing_bowling_by_team.html?id=12384;type=series).
Who's to say that Australia would have won the Adelaide Test if they batted first? Why not speculate about another middle order collapse that gets them done by an Innings+runs? (well, because that didn't happen, either :rolleyes:).
Test results don't add the "But ifs" that you and Vader have speculated about. There's no mention of toin coss outcomes, weather, badly prepared wickets (eg batting roads where India made 6/622 and all we could manage was 300 all out), or wickets that turned sideways etc nor what might-have-happened if things were different.

India were very good in beating the team that we presented.
Australia was poor, by comparison.

Here, this might help --- if you research the AFL GF result for 2017 every site will tell you that Richmond won the Flag. There will be no qualification along the lines of "... but the Crows might have won IF they were at full strength and IF the team was more united (Jake Lever hubbub) and IF the Umpires weren't crap and IF ... and IF ... etc".
Did you just use a thousand words to say "but that's not what happened"?

No shit. I think everyone pretty much knows what actually occurred. Not sure why the absolute obvious needed pointing out.
 

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WTF!! Did you just AGREE with a post that said the Indians got the best of the conditions?! That was because they won the toss!!

The difference between day one and day three in Melbourne was enormous - and they had that advantage because they won a coin flip.

That being said - terrible pitch preparations that offered us no advantage would be right up there with shit selections for "things that lost us the series".
 

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1) Equally, it may not. Australia might have been rolled for 80 etc etc etc but that didn't happen, either.
2) BUT Australia did not win in Adelaide. The final result was 2-1, their way, a thoroughly deserved result against the rabble we dished up to them.
I enjoy a lot of your posts, but I am bewildered why you persist with the if-things-were-different speculation o_O.
Things weren't 'different'.
It really rules out a lot of discussion, if you only want people to recap the facts of what occurred.
 

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I may watch zero cricket and simply follow it on social media ......but there's nothing here that i haven't been saying for a long time .....if i can see it, why can't others ......or did the $$$$$ muddy the waters of what needed to be done




IT IS ALL T20 CRICKET’S FAULT

There is a clear correlation between the rise of T20 cricket and the fall of Australia’s batting depth. Coincidence or otherwise, the short form of the game has helped a generation of batsmen prosper who have more shots but less patience.
I'm mostly skipping over your posts - but you KNOW India has the IPL, right?
 
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