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Well, turns out we got a player we needed/wanted on a heavy discount for no reason.
 
Lakeside Swan said:
Yep, that's a huge coincidence.

I'm pretty sure that a history of message can be obtained from service providers. In this situation the AFL (not being a L.E.A.) wouldn't be able to get a warrant to do so like police, however, I would have suspected that they would ask the Talia's to obtain it from their service providers themselves.
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I'm pretty sure you can't get the text of messages from service providers. It's general info. you can get-who called whom and triangulating the possible position of the phones. Police don't get the text from service providers.
I delete messages so my SIM doesn't get too full.
 
cherub said:
I'm pretty sure you can't get the text of messages from service providers. It's general info. you can get-who called whom and triangulating the possible position of the phones. Police don't get the text from service providers.
I delete messages so my SIM doesn't get too full.
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If you have an android etc... You can actually recover deleted messages yourself. If you delete a msg, they are not visible, and they are on the device until they are over written. Any Joe blog can do that by following a YouTube video.

How old is your phone?
 

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cherub said:
I'm pretty sure you can't get the text of messages from service providers. It's general info. you can get-who called whom and triangulating the possible position of the phones. Police don't get the text from service providers.
I delete messages so my SIM doesn't get too full.
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You can. I used to do it ;-).
 
RW said:
It should have been obvious that there was nothing to the story from the beginning, Talia had nothing to gain by leaking inside information, why would you shaft your own club in a final if there was no benefit to you from doing so? It doesn't look like there were sums of money involved and there was no suggestion of any match-fixing. The investigation has been nothing but a waste of everyone's time. If he did leak part of the game plan or whatever, then he's an idiot, but it could have been dealt with internally, similar to when Jack Riewoldt made comments about the Tigers' game plan last year. In my mind this was always a club matter and I imagine he would have been given a dressing down by the Dogs when they found out.
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It escaped the club the minute the Hawks got involved.

What did he have to gain? All rumours at the tail end of the season were that the Talias were getting together in Adelaide, get some inside info to the club you think youre going to so they value you more highly. We aren't talking about a rocket scientist here, but you blokes will figure that out shortly. Once this shit got out there was no way in hell we were going to reward him by getting him where he wanted, rather give you guys a gift for the fair trade we did last year.

Cheney jokes? And kept a straight face through two separate conversation with a bloke he apparently holds in high regard (Beveridge), then cracks under "pressure" from the AFL?

Cheneys only done a backflip to be the fall guy and protect everybody else in this shitstorm.

The phones? Jesus - tooooo convenient.

Its obviously another AFL cover-up, but were getting used to them aren't we.

Good luck with him and good riddance
 
Outback Footy said:
It escaped the club the minute the Hawks got involved.

What did he have to gain? All rumours at the tail end of the season were that the Talias were getting together in Adelaide, get some inside info to the club you think youre going to so they value you more highly. We aren't talking about a rocket scientist here, but you blokes will figure that out shortly. Once this shit got out there was no way in hell we were going to reward him by getting him where he wanted, rather give you guys a gift for the fair trade we did last year.

Cheney jokes? And kept a straight face through two separate conversation with a bloke he apparently holds in high regard (Beveridge), then cracks under "pressure" from the AFL?

Cheneys only done a backflip to be the fall guy and protect everybody else in this shitstorm.

The phones? Jesus - tooooo convenient.

Its obviously another AFL cover-up, but were getting used to them aren't we.

Good luck with him and good riddance
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Not saying you're right or wrong, but I suggest that you take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. You are a guest on our board.
 
Yep update the op its officially closed.

The Adelaide Football Club has always maintained there was no substance to any allegations stemming from player conversations leading up to the Elimination Final against the Western Bulldogs.

With this in mind, we welcome the League’s findings which emphatically clear defender Daniel Talia and the Club of any wrongdoing.

Kyle Cheney is regretful that banter among friends escalated into a situation which the AFL deemed worthy of an investigation.

The Club will be making no further comment.
 

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Grongey said:
How do the Bulldogs feel now!

What a ridiculous non-issue this has been, a waste of everybodies time.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...leaking-game-information-20151125-gl86zh.html
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Dogs fans are very happy to see the back of him. it wasn't a non issue. If you believe that you don't understand sport.

If all reports are true and accurate the dogs made the right call in chasing it up because they were told he had spilled information by a seemingly reliable source. If you're told that, you follow it up in the correct channels. Period.

Most dogs fans are of the belief that it's an Essendon situation; no evidence so innocent. Even the most innocent of people must see the convenience in lost phones, deleted text messages and changed stories after 2 months.

Personally I'm 100% happy with how we handled it and again, 100% happy he's no longer at the club. The reason... I know for a fact that Begeridge believes he did something wrong. If the coach believes that ( rightly or wrongly) then there's no point of him being there. In this instance I'm backing in Bev.
 
So if Talia drowns after being chucked in the deep end and held under water for a couple of months he's innocent but if he doesn't he's a witch and must therefore be burned at the stake..

Got it ;)
 
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Hard Ball Get said:
Personally I'm 100% happy with how we handled it.
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Regardless of guilt, the Bulldogs starting the investigation without even talking to Talia was poorly handled. From all reports, Beveridge refused to even talk to him, hear his side of the story. That seems like bad handling of a situation to me.

Especially as Talia, not that long ago refused to sign a contract extension.

Correct me if I am wrong, but seems a little childish to me.
 
Schmidt2003 said:
Regardless of guilt, the Bulldogs starting the investigation without even talking to Talia was poorly handled. From all reports, Beveridge refused to even talk to him, hear his side of the story. That seems like bad handling of a situation to me.

Especially as Talia, not that long ago refused to sign a contract extension.

Correct me if I am wrong, but seems a little childish to me.
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I know the relationship was extremely strained already. Talia was dropped mid season and wasn't really happy about it and they had a few other issues throughout the year. I think he legitimately isn't a very clever bloke and was making a lot of the same mistakes both on the field and on the track. This investigation has little to do with him not being at the club anymore. He was 100% moving elsewhere regardless.

You're right though, Bev's handling of it does seem odd and he could have done things a little better (although closed doors and all that) however, the club handled it in the right way in my book.

Anyway I'll leave you to your board, was just addressing the question from the earlier poster.
 
It appears Talia was likely going down the route of 'looking for other opportunities' by mid season. He'd already refused a contract extension. So relations were already strained (it was another Henderson situation in the making). He was sent to Coventry for a month or so mid-seasons. Comes back into the side for the latter part of the season, but forms no part of their finals plans. I'd say the Coach/Player relationship was already ordinary and he was always leaving at the end of the season. Bulldogs supporters have told as much that this was common knowledge at their club for months.

To hear tell, post season he's either asked to be traded (or not even given the choice). Beveridge had stood him up regarding the information Stratton has given him. But there's nothing concrete so the Dogs 'investigation' to the extent it existed went nowhere.

But according to the Age at the exit interview instead of the usual handshake goodbye, the club President turns up and grills him about this rumour which has surfaced. Elite Lawyer and millionaire versus young player who had no representation at that meeting. Following that meeting, Gordon isn't satisfied and runs of to the AFL and directly to the press and the witchhunt begins publicly.

And while Daniel Talia is cleared pretty quickly, Michael's manager has to come out in the media on Sep 24th after the 'case' was handed over to the AFL integrity unit by the Dogs and explain that Beveridge has been refusing to take Michael's calls ever since the issue was raised internally on Sep 12th or so.

Basically, they stood him up, refused to accept his version of events, then tarred and feathered him and kicked him to the curb whilst encouraging the AFL to have at him.

So going into the trade period he's guilty in the media, and a pariah to his own club's supporters based completely on heresay. He has no recourse other than to talk to the AFLPA who go into bat for him. But not even the AFL are able to conclude the 'investigation' prior to the Trade period ending - something which could have left him without a club altogether.

This wasn't handled well at all. And the massaged media release that was negotiated by Gordon and the AFL was designed specifically to make it look like the Dogs hadn't completely run around like hysterical school girls from day one.

Farce. End of story.
 
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Tuco said:
To hear tell, post season he's either asked to be traded (or not even given the choice). Beveridge had stood him up regarding the information Stratton has given him. But there's nothing concrete so the Dogs 'investigation' to the extent it existed went nowhere.
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This is the key point for me, if the Dogs couldn't find anything there was little chance that the AFL would be able to, so referring it to the Integrity Unit was probably going to be a pointless exercise.

In terms of the level of Talia's guilt, we really can't say. Even if it turned out that it was just two brothers talking footy the week before the game, I can understand the coach not wanting his players to talk to the opposition in the lead-up to a big final, for obvious reasons. It just wasn't a smart thing to do. I'm more curious as to the reasons for the coach/player relationship becoming strained, tbh. If they just didn't get on, perhaps the change of environment may do him good, as he simply might not have been suited to Bevo's coaching style, but if it was due to his attitude, then I have my doubts about how well he will fit in with us. It seems that he didn't react well to being dropped mid-season - that can be a red flag, but it might also be nothing. Either way we really haven't lost anything by picking him up, so I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Tuco said:
So if Talia drowns after being chucked in the deep end and held under water for a couple of months he's innocent but if he doesn't he's a witch and must therefore be burned at the stake..

Got it ;)
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Is he made of wood? Does he float like a duck? They are the real questions the AFL should have been pursuing... Would have made a great deal more sense IMO.
 

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