PieLebo87 said:
What has he done wrong, apart from missing SOME gettable shots at goal, which comes with confidence, he has not done much wrong...
Keep in mind, Malthouse has played Tarrant injured in the last 2 - 3 years.
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What has he done wrong, apart from missing SOME gettable shots at goal, which comes with confidence, he has not done much wrong...
Keep in mind, Malthouse has played Tarrant injured in the last 2 - 3 years.
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What has he done wrong? He is meant to be one of our star players. He ISNT winning us games. If we had Rocca and Taz on par ALL season, we would've been serious contenders in Sept.Coin_Toss said:
He hasnt done much wrong yet he isnt fufilling the standards he set in 2002 or '03.
*If we can get a 1st rounder + young mid for a player who isnt a star in our team. Then Id take it.
*edit: The last line was slight sarcasm, he is a star when firing, but thats the problem, he doesnt fire long enough, inj. arent an excuse, as plenty of players play injuried. Johnson played through half this year with a crook shoulder yet won B&F for Dogs and kicked 74 goals.
He has been in the system for how many years..... and he still can't kick!
Getting someone in like Peter McKenna wont do jack ****.
I think we should keep Taz and Mick should play him where it best suits him, with his starting point being 45m - 50m out from goal and not at full foward! But I wont be too disappointed if we do trade him.
Getting someone in like Peter McKenna wont do jack ****.
I think we should keep Taz and Mick should play him where it best suits him, with his starting point being 45m - 50m out from goal and not at full foward! But I wont be too disappointed if we do trade him.
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Are you able to learn improvements to your job?sloth6 said:
According to your theory, what you can do now, is all you will ever be able to do
A bit silly really isn't it?
PieLebo87 said:
You can't seriously think he's worth a top ten pick AND a player. If he's worth that much, keep him, he must be great. You might as well as very few clubs will give away their first pick this year. And leave us out of it - go back to dreaming of swapping him for Judd
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Rosella said:
who the hell asked you?
this coming from a team that gave away 2 first round draft picks for Brad Ottens..............DOH!!!
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Don't trade Tarrant or J. Cloke. Both are unique players and deserve to be on list for at least another year to two years.
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johnson_26 said:
Yeah, can't forget it. That is the night that Rocca tore his achilles wasn't it?
Michael Moore said:
You're the ones suggesting my team give up their top pick and a player for Tarrant. I'm just saying if you think he's worth that much keep him. We gave a pick and a superfluous midfielder - not two picks. And that wasn't a great draft anyway - unlike this year's
To all the Tarrant detractors you seem to forget at around the same age Peter Daicos, who also had stress fractures, was floated by the Club for a trade to North Melbourne for Atkins. Tarrant still has many years to prove he could be a club champion with Collingwood.
PieLebo87 said:
How many games have you played with shin splints? You try to compare the likes of McLeod and Kerr to Tarrant but they had different injuries. They also missed games because of those injuries (was that showing lack of heart?) All injuries are different. Some injuries can be played with if the player has a pain killing injection such as Kerr did in a GF but there is a limit to how many injections you can have before you start causing long term damage.
Last tear Tarrant played with a cyst the size of a golf ball on his knee. It affected his abilty to perform but at the time the club had so many players out they desperately need him to play. He copped a lot of criticism for his poor form even though he suffered for the team. Its a shame a lot of people don't appreciate what players sometimes go through when they play injured.
Judging by some of the crap you write, I'll bet you've never played a game let alone played with injury.
Injuries aside everbody realises Tarrants main problem is his kicking. Don't know how much time the club has spent on this problem but his incosistency makes me think he's better off changing his technique altogether. His follow through's been mentioned already but I think a major problem is hand to foot. He would probably benefit by changing his grip. (Or try kicking with his preferred foot instead of his left!)
Personally, I've never considered Tarrant a good kick even early in his career when he kicked more accurately. Since 2000 though, its interesting to compare his accuracy to other Collingwood talls.
Player G B Accuracy (doesn't include out of bounds)
Rocca 246 153 61.62%
Tarrant 280 204 57.85%
Fraser 120 94 56.07%
Buckley 137 129 51.50%
Rusling 9 12 42.86%
Cloke,T 16 26 38.10%
Agree but he has one more IMO. Mentally soft - dumb and scared of failing. That’s why he can’t kick goals but he can hit a chest and why he gets frustrated when things don’t go well. Get his head right and he’ll be a super star. Unfortunately the odds are against this late in the piece.Murray said:
Coin_Toss said:
Daics would've already won a couple of B&Fs by Tarrants age.
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Brad Johnson, a marking and leading forward, one of the most effective forwards in the AFL this year, since around Round 9-10-11 has been playing with a shoulder injury that he was meant to have a reco on, held out until the end of the year and still managed a B&F and 74 goals. How do you play as a forward like that with one shoulder? Even Rocca struggled after that Eagles match when he hurt his shoulder. Its because Brad Johnson wanted NOTHING LESS then to play in a flag this year, and played his heart out for the Bulldogs. THATS heart.pie35 said:
As for personal shots at me. I have been playing since I was about 12, I only stopped playing this year. I played through all of last year with a broken ring finger. Never repaired, strapped every game. But thanks for asking anyway.
And it was worth not fixing, as we won the Premiership last year you *****ing id|ot
Once again your comparing different injuries. According to Rodney Eade, Johnson's injury didn't have a significant affect his ability to play week to week even though he needed surgery. I'm not trying to detract from Johnson's intestinal fortitude just trying to highlight that each injury is different and unless you have an intimate knowledge of the players specific injury, it makes it difficult gauge how much that injury affects a players form.PieLebo87 said:
Jared Crouch is a player who's heart is unquestioned, yet he was absent from the Swans finals campaign this year with what was originally a "2-3 week leg injury". Injuries can stop anybody. All the heart in the world would not have got Hentschell nor Darcy into finals games this year.
For a player like Tarrant who's strength is covering a lot of ground at speed during a game to suffer shin problems on the back of season where he had a knee problem (which incidently needed surgery early in 2005 but he played on anyway despite no chance of making finals) is not going to help his form nor condition. Leg injuries have probably the biggest impact on a player, especially at AFL level.
Sorry if I hit a raw nerve with a personal shot, congrats on your flag. But I think your answer vindicates my question. Playing (junior football?) with a broken ring finger is incomparable to playing at AFL level with leg injuries spanning 2 seasons. You don't run on your finger. I still don't think you appreciate what some players go through. My whole point is you can't question Tarrant's "heart" by comparing his injuries to Didak's or Johnson's.
Look, I bleed black and white as much as all the supports on this board do… But the problem with Tarrent is that he is actually hampering our prospects to grow. I know he does a lot for the team in running and providing an option but we need to push the development of Rusling and Big Trav. I watch Trav as a junior and he was a real talent, as with Sean where he relisticly would have been a top 10 pick if he attended draft camp, and I know it is a big step to AFL but in our forward line Trav seems a little lost. To cash in on tarrent while we can would be the best thing the club could do to realistically be any threat in the next 5 years…. We need to adopt a more caulis approach to our players and start to develop to become a real powerhouse not just a second tear strong team. As it has been said many times on this board the club really needs to make the hard decisions(Obree etc) and I pray that they do.. Thoughts?
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Pie35, my only argument to you is this, if Tarrant is tooooooo injuried to play to the standards we want, then why is he playing at all? REST HIM! LET HIM GET OVER HIS INJURIES! We are meant to be a developing club, why not play C Cloke, T Cloke, S Rusling, Cox, Illes, Stanley, Anthony, ANYONE that is young and could use AFL experience if Taz is too injuried to play to the capacity that is required.
