Tasmania

[sherb]

100 % of Tasmanian football followers would have a AFL team they supported...getting those people to change teams would be very difficult, as most have supported their teams from back in the VFL days...i for one would never even consider dumping my team for a Tasmanian team .

Why would they have to change teams? They can still support their existing side in the AFL while going to watch Tassie play live at home.

I didn't find it that difficult to go and watch/support the Swans here regularly while remaining a Carlton supporter. And I won't have an issue doing the same when GWS starts up.

 

[Books]

If i were AD for a day I would transform tasmania into a western bulldogs and North Melbourne home away from home. Both these clubs could really use the extra support and finances it gaurentees, and tasmania really wants more football. Set up rivalries and stuff and it really helps out the two of the smallest clubs in the AFL. Sorry to Hawthorn, just think others need the money and support more. A few home games a year there each, upgrade the stadiums (if there not already planning on doing so, and the demand is there) including a north V south tasmania derby or something.

Just a thought, sadly i dont think it will even happen as Hawthorn is entrenched there and made many loyal supporters

So Hawthorn do all the hard work but when it starts to work a Collingwood fan wants to take it away to give to charity, How thoughtful.

Anzac Day shoud be given to Hawthorn and another club. Sorry to Collingwood, but we need it more!

 

[catters05]

So Hawthorn do all the hard work but when it starts to work a Collingwood fan wants to take it away to give to charity, How thoughtful.

Anzac Day shoud be given to Hawthorn and another club. Sorry to Collingwood, but we need it more!

Hawks v Cats.........Yes Please!

 

[madmug]

So Hawthorn do all the hard work but when it starts to work a Collingwood fan wants to take it away to give to charity, How thoughtful.

Anzac Day shoud be given to Hawthorn and another club. Sorry to Collingwood, but we need it more!

Sorry but Tassie deserves its own club. No more renta clubs, hard work from Hawthorn or not.

 

[Books]

Sorry but Tassie deserves its own club. No more renta clubs, hard work from Hawthorn or not.

And players from all Victorian clubs served during wars, not only Collingwood and Essendon. So hard work or not, Anzac Day should be shared.

 

[madmug]

And players from all Victorian clubs served during wars, not only Collingwood and Essendon. So hard work or not, Anzac Day should be shared.

Well so did we for that matter, so give us a team & we'll play in the Anzac day game too

 

[blaze036]

Well so did we for that matter, so give us a team & we'll play in the Anzac day game too

Ill play i did fairly okay a few years ago

 

[Books]

Well so did we for that matter, so give us a team & we'll play in the Anzac day game too

By "we" I assume you mean Tasmanians, not Collingwood.

Personally, I think Tassie more than deserves its own team and I would love to see them have one. I do not want it to be Hawthorn, although I am proud that Hawthorn have made such an effort and I am pleased with the return the Hawks have made on their investment of time and effort.

So - good luck to Tassie, but the sad truth is the AFL Commission does not respect you. They just want to dump North on to you, after they failed to make it work in Canberra or the Gold Coast. They hope the passionate fans of Tasmania will suddenly adopt the nomadic Kangaroos. Great result for the AFL - they think they can prop up North Melbourne and satisfy the Tasmanian fans, killing two birds with one stone. Not such a great deal for Tassie fans, I suspect.

Tasmania v Hawthorn on Anzac Day - I'd settle for that!

 

[madmug]

By "we" I assume you mean Tasmanians, not Collingwood.

Personally, I think Tassie more than deserves its own team and I would love to see them have one. I do not want it to be Hawthorn, although I am proud that Hawthorn have made such an effort and I am pleased with the return the Hawks have made on their investment of time and effort.

So - good luck to Tassie, but the sad truth is the AFL Commission does not respect you. They just want to dump North on to you, after they failed to make it work in Canberra or the Gold Coast. They hope the passionate fans of Tasmania will suddenly adopt the nomadic Kangaroos. Great result for the AFL - they think they can prop up North Melbourne and satisfy the Tasmanian fans, killing two birds with one stone. Not such a great deal for Tassie fans, I suspect.

Tasmania v Hawthorn on Anzac Day - I'd settle for that!

Yes, Tassie.
I watched the doco on austar last night, 'The band that wouldn't die'. It was about the Baltimore Colts band who kept playing & agitating to get a gridiron team to play out of Baltimore after their beloved Colts were moved to Indianapolis. It showed ordinary people who wouldnt let the dream die. They were treated badly by the Colts owner & shat on by the NFL hierachy. The heart & passion of the Baltimore people was quite amazing. In the end the politicians & community got behind the push & attracted another franchise, the Ravens. They are now doing well.
Its a dream I know & we are in a different but not that different position to Baltimore, but I felt an affinity with those supporters.

 

[blaze036]

Start pouring in immigrants in the tens of thousand to Tasmania... its the best chance and maybe only chance

 

[sherrinorburley]

Yes, Tassie.
I watched the doco on austar last night, 'The band that wouldn't die'. It was about the Baltimore Colts band who kept playing & agitating to get a gridiron team to play out of Baltimore after their beloved Colts were moved to Indianapolis. It showed ordinary people who wouldnt let the dream die. They were treated badly by the Colts owner & shat on by the NFL hierachy. The heart & passion of the Baltimore people was quite amazing. In the end the politicians & community got behind the push & attracted another franchise, the Ravens. They are now doing well.
Its a dream I know & we are in a different but not that different position to Baltimore, but I felt an affinity with those supporters.

Plenty population in Tasmania for it to logically happen.

Upper management wasting money on RL States as we all know will prevent it for now.

 

[Verdun]

Start pouring in immigrants in the tens of thousand to Tasmania... its the best chance and maybe only chance

Tassie do not need an increase in population just a fair go - players leave here every year and our money props up other teams

every team in the AFL is subsidised to a ridiculous degree; if Tassie was gut given a fair go we would punch above our weight - previous posts are right about the AFL even though i do not think it is about respect but the AFL actually ripping us off while they subsidise every other club and set up other clubs where they do not want AFL

The state deserves a fair go by the AFL but I do not think that will happen unless they end up subsidising North moving here for good. This will not happen while Tasmanian pay for right to watch AFL live while every other State expects this as a given,

Every AFL club has benefited from Tasmanian players over the years.

I strongly believe Tas can support an AFL team and it would work just like the Geen Bay Packers. Justice does not always happen but we can dream!!

 

[Verdun]

Please excuse my typos - my work on the lap top is not great!

 

[Rob]

every team in the AFL is subsidised to a ridiculous degree;

Lol wut?

 

[Verdun]

Thanks for your insightful response!
What to clubs get from the AFL and the tv deal? If this did not occur I am sure 4-6 clubs would not exist.

My argument is that there should be equity - the amount of dollars that come to Tas from the AFL is tiny

 

[blaze036]

Thanks for your insightful response!
What to clubs get from the AFL and the tv deal? If this did not occur I am sure 4-6 clubs would not exist.

My argument is that there should be equity - the amount of dollars that come to Tas from the AFL is tiny

The main point is the AFL wants a financial viable team in the long run.. Tasmania at the moment just seems like a money guzzler, whilst gc and gws have huge potential financially

 

[Verdun]

The main point is the AFL wants a financial viable team in the long run.. Tasmania at the moment just seems like a money guzzler, whilst gc and gws have huge potential financially

So it is ok for Tasmanian taxpayers to prop up and save two clubs - Hawthorn and North Melbourne?

The potential myay be there with gc and gws but the AFL and other clubs have done very well and shafted Tasmanians for decades.

Tasmania could support a club here but you blokes do not care about the heartland of the sport - Hudson, Hart, Riewoldt (Jack and NicK), Wright, Manson, Pritchard, the captain of the Saints premiership,

But no - as long as my team is ok that is ok we do not need to look after where the game is played (the heartland) and where players continually get drafted from we will look for the dollar in Sydney:

If the AFL had invested a 1/10 th of what has gone to gc and gws in Tas we would be be competing and playing like any club from Melbourne

small investment in Tas would benefit the rest of the AFL but no you would rather pilfer our plares and money


selfish b.....s!!!!

 

[Rob]

Thanks for your insightful response!
What to clubs get from the AFL and the tv deal? If this did not occur I am sure 4-6 clubs would not exist.

And who generates that income? The clubs.

An equal share of AFL profits is not a subsidy.

 

[Verdun]

And who generates that income? The clubs.

An equal share of AFL profits is not a subsidy.

Goose - the income goes to the AFL who distribute it - bottom line Tasmania subisides the AFL by the amount of players and tax that goes back to the clubs

answer me this - which state per capita has contributed more players to the AFL over the last 50 years?

I am sure that does matter to you

as I said before - equity - the clubs only contribute because of the AFL subsidising them which Tasmania subsidises through our taxes and players but i am sure you do not give a s..t as long as your team is ok

Tasmania has subsidised the AFL for decades and this includes expansion..I understand that we will probably not get a team while we subsidise other team which is your argument but the state deserves some recoginition for its contribution to the game

I am su

 

[Rob]

Goose - the income goes to the AFL who distribute it - bottom line Tasmania subisides the AFL by the amount of players and tax that goes back to the clubs

answer me this - which state per capita has contributed more players to the AFL over the last 50 years?

I am sure that does matter to you

as I said before - equity - the clubs only contribute because of the AFL subsidising them which Tasmania subsidises through our taxes and players but i am sure you do not give a s..t as long as your team is ok

Tasmania has subsidised the AFL for decades and this includes expansion..I understand that we will probably not get a team while we subsidise other team which is your argument but the state deserves some recoginition for its contribution to the game

I am su

Interesting rant.

But you're about 2% of the population, and even worse that share is declining. As it stands at the moment, the number of Tassie players in the AFL is nowhere near enough to fill a club list. Rightly or wrongly, that's why you don't have a team. Blaze was right a few posts ago, the best thing you could do to get a team is to start growing, both economically and population wise. Unfortunately for the last 20 years Tassie has done neither.

Otherwise your best chance is to entice a team down there full time. And i'm reasonably sure the AFL has that in the backs of their minds with North Melbourne now.

Don't take that as me being opposed to the concept of a Tassie team, because i'm not. But that's the reality of the situation.

 

[Verdun]

Interesting rant.

But you're about 2% of the population, and even worse that share is declining. As it stands at the moment, the number of Tassie players in the AFL is nowhere near enough to fill a club list. Rightly or wrongly, that's why you don't have a team. Blaze was right a few posts ago, the best thing you could do to get a team is to start growing, both economically and population wise. Unfortunately for the last 20 years Tassie has done neither.

Otherwise your best chance is to entice a team down there full time. And i'm reasonably sure the AFL has that in the backs of their minds with North Melbourne now.

Don't take that as me being opposed to the concept of a Tassie team, because i'm not. But that's the reality of the situation.

How many players from Essendon are from Essendon, how many players from Freeo (or coaches) are from Freeo, how many players from Collingwood are from Collingwood are Collingwood - silly argument; how many players do WA export for their cricket team - how many Shield and one day comps has WA won in the last 5 years

James Hird commisioned a report that argued that Tas could support a team in the AFL...I agree. At the moment we sponsor other teams to come here and export players to other teams.

Population is not the answer ( it may be for a simple and argument / solution) but we can do it without the numbers but with the talent.

We have the talent

We subsidise other teams

The old chestnut of I am not against a Tassie team but; is a weak go with the flow argument - look outside of the square and look at what Tasmania can and has done for the sport.

A rant hey interesting term - I believe it is both substance and passion; we may have a small population but we contribute.. again I think you should look at what Tas has contributed and continues to do so... realise it is not a concern to you but at some stage the contribution that a state the size of Tas makes should be recognised

May be right with North but Tas would love a team of its own and it would thrive

 

[Messenger]

Goose - the income goes to the AFL who distribute it - bottom line Tasmania subisides the AFL by the amount of players and tax that goes back to the clubs

Clubs put on the product that produces the revenue. The money they receive is a dividend, not a subsidy.

Tasmania receive (according to their own figures iirc) a net benefit from Hawthorn playing games in Launceston. Tasmania are sponsors; its a commercial arrangement.

 

[Verdun]

typical

commercial arangement that has saved the Hawks and I am sure you have no problem with that - you endorse what I am saying

I as a Tasmanian tax payer have paid your club out of trouble

when I went to the g earlier in the year and looked at all the Tasmanian signs not one Hawks supporter recoginised the dollars that went to your club..when i cynically yelled carn Tassie i was abused and rightly so

If not for this 'commerial arangement' the Hawks would be stuffed -you are quite happy to take our money but to put it back in to Tasmanian football - no thank you then you just take our nieve take away our money...

Tasmania deserves better
It may be a commercial arangement but it is one way to the HAWKS at last recognise this, most Tasmanians do but this will not continue- you should thank us for saving your club from financial ruin the dollars might good in the short terrm......

 

[sherb]

So Hawthorn do all the hard work but when it starts to work a Collingwood fan wants to take it away to give to charity, How thoughtful.

Anzac Day shoud be given to Hawthorn and another club. Sorry to Collingwood, but we need it more!

What hard work would that be?

 

[Rob]

How many players from Essendon are from Essendon, how many players from Freeo (or coaches) are from Freeo, how many players from Collingwood are from Collingwood are Collingwood - silly argument; how many players do WA export for their cricket team - how many Shield and one day comps has WA won in the last 5 years

You brought up playing numbers, but in any case the draft has made place of origin obsolete anyway. You recruit from everywhere.

James Hird commisioned a report that argued that Tas could support a team in the AFL...I agree. At the moment we sponsor other teams to come here and export players to other teams.

Actually, it was commissioned by the AFL for Tasmania group.

Population is not the answer ( it may be for a simple and argument / solution) but we can do it without the numbers but with the talent.

We have the talent

We subsidise other teams

What on earth does that even mean?

The old chestnut of I am not against a Tassie team but; is a weak go with the flow argument - look outside of the square and look at what Tasmania can and has done for the sport.

A rant hey interesting term - I believe it is both substance and passion; we may have a small population but we contribute.. again I think you should look at what Tas has contributed and continues to do so... realise it is not a concern to you but at some stage the contribution that a state the size of Tas makes should be recognised

I agree. But I have absolutely no impact on the decision making of the AFL. Bottom line is that their measurables are essentially supporters. People playing the game, watching on TV and going to games. Tassie won't add much to any of them, as they already do it in good numbers.