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West's development has been slowed due to the fact that he has played second fiddle to both Blake & King over the past two years. If we were to grab more that one ruckman through this years drafts then one would be forced to play as a KPP rather than a ruck in the magoos.

For this reason I would suggest that we'd take one in the senior list and possibly another on the rookie but no more than that. A player such as Dean Putt who has played forward a fair bit might be the sort that we rookie.

In Wells we trust.
Agree wholeheartedly.
 

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I reckon Kangars (local boy, athletic tall backman) would be a good pick at 34
I think he could be a gun, but he's definitely an athlete learning to play footy rather than a footballer. I'm not sure we'd take him because I'm not sure he's the type Wells & co tend to go for. Looking at our list, they seem to prefer the natural footballers.
 

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The more I hear about Dangerfield , the more I like him as our first pick. Most phantoms seem to place him in the 15-25 range , he was a standout in several disciplines at Draft Camp , is a nice size , is bottom aged and seems to be an ideal kid to mold into Dashers spot. At around 188 , he isn't the tall some are after but I'd back Wells to find another Egan somewhere and pick the best kid.

Remember he was 62 , sure he was our VFL top up player but anyone else could have drafted him , I'd say Welles would have a list of talls that fill a A4 sheet that are not on any Phantom.In the end , I think our side is very well balanced , maybe our list is now short of talls but our side is good for the next 2 or 3. I just want him to use our first pick on who ever has the best chance of making an impact , whether short or tall. Selwood proved that even with a side full of good mids a quality kid can add to it.
 
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The more I hear about Dangerfield , the more I like him as our first pick. Most phantoms seem to place him in the 15-25 range , he was a standout in several disciplines at Draft Camp , is a nice size , is bottom aged and seems to be an ideal kid to mold into Dashers spot. At around 188 , he isn't the tall some are after but I'd back Wells to find another Egan somewhere and pick the best kid.

Remember he was 62 , sure he was our VFL top up player but anyone else could have drafted him , I'd say Welles would have a list of talls that fill a A4 sheet that are not on any Phantom.In the end , I think our side is very well balanced , maybe our list is now short of talls but our side is good for the next 2 or 3. I just want him to use our first pick on who ever has the best chance of making an impact , whether short or tall. Selwood proved that even with a side full of good mids a quality kid can add to it.
Thats generally the rule of thumb for first round picks although at pick 17 I think Wells might be given a bit of room to work his magic. Varcoe at pick 15 was pretty special if you ask me but never looked likely to have an impact in his first season...certainly did in his second and hopefull beyond.
 
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I personally believe they will go for a player who has been injured and therefor would be seen as value at pick 17 ala Varcoe and Selwood.

Pick 17 - Addam Maric should be a top 5 pick. He is the man for the cats.

Pick 34 - Mitch Farmer - could be the small defender we need.

Pick 44 - KPP

Pick 49 - Ruckman

Don't forget we have Hawkins, Lonergan and Egan as KPP who didn't play in this years GF.

I would draft another couple of KPP in the rookie draft along with Thompson.
 

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I personally believe they will go for a player who has been injured and therefor would be seen as value at pick 17 ala Varcoe and Selwood.

Pick 17 - Addam Maric should be a top 5 pick. He is the man for the cats.

Pick 34 - Mitch Farmer - could be the small defender we need.

Pick 44 - KPP

Pick 49 - Ruckman

Don't forget we have Hawkins, Lonergan and Egan as KPP who didn't play in this years GF.

I would draft another couple of KPP in the PSD along with Thompson.
I'd be wary of Grand Final comparisons - three of Port's five leading goalkickers were small (Ebert, Burgoyne, Motlop) and the other two were a knobbled vetrean and a beanpole rookie. The word commonly used to describe it at the start of the season was 'dysfunctional', and it certainly looked that on the day.

Reality is Egan isn't a replacement backman, he's already a key part of the defensive unit, same as Mackie. They can step up and take the lead roles (though Egan has virtually already done that), but you then need someone to fill the void left by them. Ideally we need two tall backmen and another utility like Milburn to fill the gapping hole that'll be left when they retire.
 

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I personally believe they will go for a player who has been injured and therefor would be seen as value at pick 17 ala Varcoe and Selwood.

Pick 17 - Addam Maric should be a top 5 pick. He is the man for the cats.

Pick 34 - Mitch Farmer - could be the small defender we need.

Pick 44 - KPP

Pick 49 - Ruckman

Don't forget we have Hawkins, Lonergan and Egan as KPP who didn't play in this years GF.

I would draft another couple of KPP in the PSD along with Thompson.
Maric is a fantastic small forward - one of the best in years - but I don't think he's going to be able to do much else. With Stokes, Varcoe, Chappy, S Johnson, Hogan, Byrnes:eek: and others (Djerrkura, G Ablett, Davenport, Bedford) already on the list, we don't need him.

The only KPP we have who are not in our best 22 right now are Lonergan and Hawkins. And one ruckman in West. Thats it. Considering our five oldest players are all talls - Harley, Scarlett, Ottens, Mooney and Milburn - we simply have no-one coming through. We desperately need to pick up a few in this draft, otherwise we'll find ourselves a team of midgets in 3-4 years time. Western Bulldogs Mk II.

I'm not saying our first pick must be tall (eg. I think Dangerfield would be a great choice), but we need to have a bias towards height.
 

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Maric is a fantastic small forward - one of the best in years - but I don't think he's going to be able to do much else. With Stokes, Varcoe, Chappy, S Johnson, Hogan, Byrnes:eek: and others (Djerrkura, G Ablett, Davenport, Bedford) already on the list, we don't need him.

The only KPP we have who are not in our best 22 right now are Lonergan and Hawkins. And one ruckman in West. Thats it. Considering our five oldest players are all talls - Harley, Scarlett, Ottens, Mooney and Milburn - we simply have no-one coming through. We desperately need to pick up a few in this draft, otherwise we'll find ourselves a team of midgets in 3-4 years time. Western Bulldogs Mk II.

I'm not saying our first pick must be tall (eg. I think Dangerfield would be a great choice), but we need to have a bias towards height.
Yep, I completely agree. If Maric was our first pick, I'd be fairly disappointed. Small forwards are not what we need at all.
 

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It seems that most of us are in agreement with the need to replenish are stocks of talls. In the short term IMO we are fine.
In the long term we need to develop at least 1 ruckman and 2 KPB's.

Rucks - Ottens still has 3 good years in him. Blake is only 22 and West is 20. They will be able to carry our ruck for the next 7-10 years. What we need is back up in case of career ending injuries to any of the above.

Because of salary cap issues we are not in a position to recruit ready made replacements, therefore this Draft we should draft 1 and Rookie another ruckman with the view of developing them for senior football in 2-3 years time. I wouldn't mind seeing Mumford on the Rookie list.

Next year Kane Temple (scholarship player) purported to be 200cm + will be available to be drafted.

KPTalls - Mooney, Scarlett, Harley have 2-4 years left in them. Milburn less but in Mackie we have a ready made replacement.
Hawkins should be ready to take a key spot by the start of 2009.
Lonergan may? be able to replace Harley but Scarlett is irreplaceable unless we groom a fullback now.
This draft should include 2 if not 3 KPP to be groomed in the specialized position of full back.


I agree with the posters that want us to go tall and I would go with;
1 pick -best available KPP
2 pick - best available Ruck.
3 pick - best available KPP
4 pick - Well's smokey from out of no-where.
5 pick - Donohue.

Rookies to include 1 project Ruckman and 1 KPP, the rest to be project Utilities and mids.
 

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It seems that most of us are in agreement with the need to replenish are stocks of talls. In the short term IMO we are fine.
In the long term we need to develop at least 1 ruckman and 2 KPB's.

Rucks - Ottens still has 3 good years in him. Blake is only 22 and West is 20. They will be able to carry our ruck for the next 7-10 years. What we need is back up in case of career ending injuries to any of the above.

Because of salary cap issues we are not in a position to recruit ready made replacements, therefore this Draft we should draft 1 and Rookie another ruckman with the view of developing them for senior football in 2-3 years time. I wouldn't mind seeing Mumford on the Rookie list.

Next year Kane Temple (scholarship player) purported to be 200cm + will be available to be drafted.

KPTalls - Mooney, Scarlett, Harley have 2-4 years left in them. Milburn less but in Mackie we have a ready made replacement.
Hawkins should be ready to take a key spot by the start of 2009.
Lonergan may? be able to replace Harley but Scarlett is irreplaceable unless we groom a fullback now.
This draft should include 2 if not 3 KPP to be groomed in the specialized position of full back.


I agree with the posters that want us to go tall and I would go with;
1 pick -best available KPP
2 pick - best available Ruck.
3 pick - best available KPP
4 pick - Well's smokey from out of no-where.
5 pick - Donohue.

Rookies to include 1 project Ruckman and 1 KPP, the rest to be project Utilities and mids.
I agree with that whole post but the bolded. Great country footballer, terrible VFL and/or AFL player. Isn't fit enough and hasn't got the dedication to get fit.

I also think if one of the good ruckman are available come our first round pick, we will snatch them.
 
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The players we lost off the list...King, Gardiner, Playfair, Hunt, Owen, Callan, Spencer...with Lonergan and Davenport added the pressing immediate need is for a young developing A grade ruckman if you purely look at the 2 'comings' and 7 'goings'...

If you also look at what makes our side tick from the back half...an elite athletic tall rebound defender is also our other major requirement and challenge for the next 3-4 years.

With our first pick being 17...I would be surprised if its not on either a ruckman or prospective tall defender with some dash. Seems logical and reasonable.

The only thing that would change that thinking is an elite mid/medium type player slipping to pick 17...a few names have already been mentioned. I think in hindsight it would have to be someone quite elite to sway Wells from the task at hand.
 

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The players we lost off the list...King, Gardiner, Playfair, Hunt, Owen, Callan, Spencer...with Lonergan and Davenport added the pressing immediate need is for a young developing A grade ruckman if you purely look at the 2 'comings' and 7 'goings'...

If you also look at what makes our side tick from the back half...an elite athletic tall rebound defender is also our other major requirement and challenge for the next 3-4 years.

With our first pick being 17...I would be surprised if its not on either a ruckman or prospective tall defender with some dash. Seems logical and reasonable.


The only thing that would change that thinking is an elite mid/medium type player slipping to pick 17...a few names have already been mentioned. I think in hindsight it would have to be someone quite elite to sway Wells from the task at hand.
Which brings us back to Pears!

Or possibly Dangerfield / McNamara, who at 188/189cms are not tall enough for key position but are talented, smart footballers, quick and could definitely play a Milburn-type role.

The other one I am really warming to is Collier. Over 192cm, quick, tough, athletic - could certainly play CHB but could also provide some real grunt on the ball when needed, a bit like Mooney did so well for us a couple of years ago (although Collier is a different sort of player). He might go early, but I think there's also a chance he might still be available for our first pick.

This draft has a lot of ruckmen but not many worth a first round pick, so I wouldn't be surprised to see us take one late and/or in the rookie draft.
 

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How quick is Pears? Dangerfield is quite nippy apparently.

As far as ruckman go , I'm all for getting one but there is no need to panic pick just for the sake of having one. West was taken late 2nd round so I can't see any reason why we can get someone of his standard or better with our second pick.
 
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How quick is Pears? Dangerfield is quite nippy apparently.

As far as ruckman go , I'm all for getting one but there is no need to panic pick just for the sake of having one. West was taken late 2nd round so I can't see any reason why we can get someone of his standard or better with our second pick.
Carlton got Hampson for the same pick last draft as our first draft pick this year. From limited reports I have read Hampson should blossom into a more than handy modern day ruckman. A good foil for Kreuzer at any rate. Something similar this draft for us would be a solid pick. If as you suggest that can be obtained with a later pick, that would be great...remembering Hampson was quite green himself last season.

Dangerfield sounds like a reasonable selection...Pears is starting to sound interesting...and Collier has been mentioned in a few Phantom drafts and looks worth a look for sure. With two hands tied behind Wells' back at pick 17 it's going to be one of the more fascinating picks of his already illustrious drafting career I think.
 

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How quick is Pears? Dangerfield is quite nippy apparently.
They both ran 2.92s for 20m at the draft camp, which put them equal seventh. So both quick.

As far as ruckman go , I'm all for getting one but there is no need to panic pick just for the sake of having one. West was taken late 2nd round so I can't see any reason why we can get someone of his standard or better with our second pick.
Or third, or fourth.
 

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Expecting Scott Thompson to be drafted for use as a key back is werd, he will never be able to play as a Key Back in the AFL.

Speaking to him recently, he is hopeful of a rookie spot, so talk of using a 3rd round pick is a little over the top.
 

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I think our first pick has to come from the best available tall backman. If Rance, Pears, Collier and possibly even Grant are all gone then I would instead possibly look at Bellchambers.

You can bet that all five of these will be gone by our second pick.

In the next category, for our second pick I would be looking at Dangerfield, Otten or possibly Kangars.

Alternatively, if Dangerfield can be entertained as a first round pick, then Kangars would fill the role as a developing key backman. He is extremely athletic, a Geelong boy, but has to learn a fair bit more about the game.

At least we can be fairly relaxed with the knowledge that unlike teams such as the bulldogs or demons, we can use the draft as a top up rather than to recruit players that will be needed to fill a role almost immediately.
 

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People fail to realise that Maric actually played midfield but due to school footy was told that if he wanted to play for his club he would only be allowed to play in the forward line. His success in the forward line has resulted in him being stereo typed as a small forward only. Given a good uninterupted preseason where he can get his fitness to a good level, he would surprise alot of people with his midfield capabilities.
 

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Gary Ablett Jnr was a small forward when drafted by the cats.

Maric will be a gun midfielder in 5 years time.
That may be so Jack, but our midfield will still contain Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, Selwood, Varcoe, Djerrkura,Hogan.
Who will have replaced Scarlett, Harley, Milburn and Egan?
 
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No thoughts whatsoever on Pears as a player, or any of the other players mentioned, but... it's a pretty wierd name! Can't see him intimidating many people with that kind of name.
 

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Which brings us back to Pears!

Or possibly Dangerfield / McNamara, who at 188/189cms are not tall enough for key position but are talented, smart footballers, quick and could definitely play a Milburn-type role.

The other one I am really warming to is Collier. Over 192cm, quick, tough, athletic - could certainly play CHB but could also provide some real grunt on the ball when needed, a bit like Mooney did so well for us a couple of years ago (although Collier is a different sort of player). He might go early, but I think there's also a chance he might still be available for our first pick.

This draft has a lot of ruckmen but not many worth a first round pick, so I wouldn't be surprised to see us take one late and/or in the rookie draft.
So am I. I was hoping we would pick him with our last pick (Hogan) last year. I still don't know how he slipped through the cracks in that draft. It wasn't like he no one rated him.:confused:

That is a good point about the ruckman too. Just hypothetically Reg, if McEvoy was available come our 1st pick, would you take him?
 
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