Knowing us, Barker would win all of the rest of the games and we would hire him as senior coach.
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Coach Teague in or out?
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Are we more impatient now or is it that time again...
At this juncture, no serious aspirant would touch us with a 10 foot poll. As I said Barker is Palpatine and is orchestrating such a scenario where we'll have no choice but to give him absolute power.
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It is now that someone - ****ing anyone; it could be the bootstudder for all I care - needs to get in front of a camera and make a commitment: either Teague is the coach and will remain so until the end of the season, upon which we will undergo a complete review of the football department done by externals, or Teague will be replaced with an interim coach and the conditioning/rehab departments will take over to ensure that the list is primed to enter next year in the best condition they ever have, and the same review will take place.
The big one is, get someone else in. Talk to Roos or Lyon, to be the new Brad Lloyd in the interim. If the footy department's the problem, get someone new in to run it.
At the end of it all, all of this can be placed at the feet of Brad Lloyd.
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Treat this like a business decision - it isn't hard.
There is currently a guy out there who is gettable and has taken two minnow clubs to a grand final.
The nice guy stuff has gotten us nowhere - we all knew it deep down when Teague was appointed but so many were enjoying cloud 9 of a few wins.
Teague OUT.
Lyon IN.
There is currently a guy out there who is gettable and has taken two minnow clubs to a grand final.
The nice guy stuff has gotten us nowhere - we all knew it deep down when Teague was appointed but so many were enjoying cloud 9 of a few wins.
Teague OUT.
Lyon IN.
Pretty sure I've seen this movie before.
Teaugy may not be an awe inspiring coach, does lack charisma too but to be fair to David a confluence of things have brought about he’s imminent demise A major pandemic, also just doesn’t have the cattle and poor footy department.
A throughout revision and overhaul is needed top to bottom, footy department, coaching , recruitment & development.
Off field matters are stable, excellent membership, healthy sponsorship and no more historical debit. So with an incoming President, I’m hoping expecting for leadership, inspiration and change, Go Blues.
A throughout revision and overhaul is needed top to bottom, footy department, coaching , recruitment & development.
Off field matters are stable, excellent membership, healthy sponsorship and no more historical debit. So with an incoming President, I’m hoping expecting for leadership, inspiration and change, Go Blues.
I did write in our preview thread we'd lose, because our performances pre-bye have been some of the worst. We never play well pre-bye and pull out lethargic, holiday mode performances (like our final rounds of the season).
OK ArrOw, just because everything you say is right - what is the answer?
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I think it would be a lazy decision to make the move now, and would fast track a decision to appoint someone without actually doing the due diligence required to asses our footy department and find out why and where it has gone wrong.
We need to appoint a fully independent consultant to asses our footy department, report back to the board as to why and what has gone wrong and then have the information/data to make the appropriate decisions. The point is there is no hurry at all to make this decision, Buckley may leave Collingwood however he is likely to be the only coaching change at seasons end so if we choose to move on Teague we can make our time choosing the right candidate.
We need to appoint a fully independent consultant to asses our footy department, report back to the board as to why and what has gone wrong and then have the information/data to make the appropriate decisions. The point is there is no hurry at all to make this decision, Buckley may leave Collingwood however he is likely to be the only coaching change at seasons end so if we choose to move on Teague we can make our time choosing the right candidate.
Just been clearing out some old photo frames and this old article falls out (my father in law is a hoarder)
Spooky.
Spooky.
We will never know definitively whether teague is good at his job behind the scenes. The evidence on offer would suggest he's not, but nobody here knows with 100% certainty.
What is certainly obvious to anyone that's watched us at all, is he has no idea how to pick the best team for us to win. The last 2 weeks have shown that. He is set with the players he likes and anyone else has to move heaven and earth to get a game.
I'm so over him. Having said that, I was right in board the teague train which probably got him hired so my opinion shouldn't count for much.
What is certainly obvious to anyone that's watched us at all, is he has no idea how to pick the best team for us to win. The last 2 weeks have shown that. He is set with the players he likes and anyone else has to move heaven and earth to get a game.
I'm so over him. Having said that, I was right in board the teague train which probably got him hired so my opinion shouldn't count for much.
Far from being right Cookie, but I don't react emotionally with such decisions
There does need to be a change mindset, so if I was Liddle and or Lloyd, I would have a vigorous discussion with Teague.
The concerns should be around the gameplan and or how it suits the playing group and buy in, which I don't believe is currently effective or maximizing our strengths as a list.
If Teague is determined his strategy is the right one, then he should be given the resources he requires/requests, namely assistants, analysts, development, etc. Based on that, should be an agreed timeframe to achieve realistic outcomes.
While difficult in season, changes need to start immediately
If by the end of the year, we have seen no, or little change in strategy and or in outcomes, then I would empty the bucket
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It’s spooky to think that Ricciuto could write that much!
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Good work. Be interesting to see how many others were worshippers early days.
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How do you react to the rumours that Teague was offered the chance for better assistants at end of last year, and rejected the offer?
If true, that's really enough of an indictment already on the positions of Brad Lloyd and David Teague.
But playing along with the above plan - what is really stopping this club from right now, bringing in an experienced senior coach to oversee, mentor, but also report back to club management on observations? I'm not talking about a Robert Walls, or a Perth-Based Worsfol - I'm talking about a Paul Roos, Ross Lyon, Brad Scott - somebody with runs on the board as a senior coach.
And if Teague's feelings get hurt or he thinks his job is under pressure as a consequence - that's exactly what he should bloody well be feeling
Repeating myself and outside of my lane but this is a shit thread.
Same conversations going on in two threads. Surely the Teague thread is the only one required. This one is an emotional reaction to a poor game and serves no purpose with the other thread able to house all these conversations.
Same conversations going on in two threads. Surely the Teague thread is the only one required. This one is an emotional reaction to a poor game and serves no purpose with the other thread able to house all these conversations.
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Key word there cookie. Its unlikely true at all because clubs were downsizing. Covid had a huge effect in many ways but seems to be totally disregarded in the debate.
I actually admire that Teague backed the current group, as he already had a working relationship with most of them when he was an assistant. But, if that has created tunnel vision in regards to our current strategy or a reluctance to embrace new ideas, then that is a concern
Liddle, Lloyd and now Worsfold, how many more eyes or voices do you need? Adding more would just create greater conflict of ideas and approach, none of which could be implemented in season.
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Should have pulled the trigger at three quarter time yesterday.
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Personally I find the toys out of the pram approach a bit feeble. I don't post a lot here, but since I voted in the poll I thought I should contribute my thoughts.
I'm not convinced that Teague can coach, however I am not convinced he can't either. To sack him on the back of two partial seasons and the 2020 COVID season (which wasn't a unmitigated disaster) seems unreasonable and premature. I make several assumptions which lead me to this point of view:
1) Progress is not linear.
2) We have invested time into Teague and sacking him means we get zero return from that, regardless of if we manage to somehow achieve wish fulfilment and recruit each individual commentators personal GOAT coach. Not a fan of the training wheels analogy but why sack someone when they wobble the first time the training wheels are off? Indeed are the training wheels actually off? How long did Goodwin take to remove his training wheels?
3) Sport is as much about luck as anything else, and our luck with injuries has been pretty bad. As much as we'd all love to be playing finals this year and ticking boxes, the football gods have decided otherwise.
4) We hurt our club by sacking Teague before his contract is up. What other top line coach wants to drink at the poisoned chalice of Carlton when the inevitable outcome is being sacked? You can make arguments for the sacking of Malthouse and Bolton which were convincing (and correct IMHO, especially Bolton since there was no formal 'end of contract'), the impression I've gotten from reading as much of the forum as possible since the game on Sunday is the biggest motivator for sacking Teague is frustration. Even Essendon let Worsfold end his contract with them, and I personally think they had a better reason to sack him than we do to sack Teague.
Teague's contract is up at the end of 2022 from what I remember. I'd rather clean out the incumbent assistant coaches as a move which would bring two key benefits. Firstly it would bring new ideas into the club to re-energise both the playing group and coach, and secondly it would be a pointed message to the football world, Teague and the players that this seasons performance is unacceptable. Do that and if it doesn't work next year a clean sweep of the whole coaching department (including Teague) will be valid and justifiable.
Surely we are not paying Worsfold anything anymore? I'd rather see whatever money from the soft cap he has been getting for mentoring spent on a part time sports psychologist for our on-field leadership group.
I'm not convinced that Teague can coach, however I am not convinced he can't either. To sack him on the back of two partial seasons and the 2020 COVID season (which wasn't a unmitigated disaster) seems unreasonable and premature. I make several assumptions which lead me to this point of view:
1) Progress is not linear.
2) We have invested time into Teague and sacking him means we get zero return from that, regardless of if we manage to somehow achieve wish fulfilment and recruit each individual commentators personal GOAT coach. Not a fan of the training wheels analogy but why sack someone when they wobble the first time the training wheels are off? Indeed are the training wheels actually off? How long did Goodwin take to remove his training wheels?
3) Sport is as much about luck as anything else, and our luck with injuries has been pretty bad. As much as we'd all love to be playing finals this year and ticking boxes, the football gods have decided otherwise.
4) We hurt our club by sacking Teague before his contract is up. What other top line coach wants to drink at the poisoned chalice of Carlton when the inevitable outcome is being sacked? You can make arguments for the sacking of Malthouse and Bolton which were convincing (and correct IMHO, especially Bolton since there was no formal 'end of contract'), the impression I've gotten from reading as much of the forum as possible since the game on Sunday is the biggest motivator for sacking Teague is frustration. Even Essendon let Worsfold end his contract with them, and I personally think they had a better reason to sack him than we do to sack Teague.
Teague's contract is up at the end of 2022 from what I remember. I'd rather clean out the incumbent assistant coaches as a move which would bring two key benefits. Firstly it would bring new ideas into the club to re-energise both the playing group and coach, and secondly it would be a pointed message to the football world, Teague and the players that this seasons performance is unacceptable. Do that and if it doesn't work next year a clean sweep of the whole coaching department (including Teague) will be valid and justifiable.
Surely we are not paying Worsfold anything anymore? I'd rather see whatever money from the soft cap he has been getting for mentoring spent on a part time sports psychologist for our on-field leadership group.
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