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It was certainly interesting to see a relatively up to date 4 hour doco on Bundy.
But I agree with others that the true nature of his depravity was held back until way too late in the programme.

There was no mention of earlier indications that he was all wrong.

It has been reported from quite a few sources that when Bundy was a paper boy, about 15 or 16, a young girl
went missing along his paper route. He was the last person to have been seen with her.

His Auntie also said that when she was looking after him one time she awoke to find young Ted standing at the foot of
her bed holding a knife. On another occasion she returned home to find several knives on her bed in a circle facing
where her body would have been. Ted's mother didn't believe her.

His proclivity for necrophilia was somewhat glossed over. He often would bring his victim's heads home with him
for "company", a la Ed Kemper. He would return to his victim's headless bodies for frequent bouts of necrophilia.
He would only cease this practice when the bodies had decayed too much.

His girlfriend said that he only wanted anal sex. He also wanted her to pretend to be dead while they had sex.
That was the only way he could achieve climax.

There has always been the mystery of Ted Bundy's cave. Apparently this was located on Taylor Mountain, where
he disposed of the bodies in Washington State. What Bundy got up to in this cave must have been the stuff of nightmares.

There was also the true horror of what happened at Lake Sammarmish, where Janice Ott and Denise Naslund met
their terrible fates at Bundy's hands. Bundy supposedly said that while he was killing Denise Naslund the body
of Janice Ott, whom Naslund assumed was asleep, fell back and revealed that her head was barely attached to
her body. Imagine the poor girl's horror.

Bundy could barely contain himself. Some of his last words to Bob Keppell, the investigator that he opened up to, were:
"I am the most cold hearted son of a bitch you will ever meet. Some people are encumbered by a mechanism called
guilt. I don't feel guilt. There was a force growing within me that I couldn't contain. I can't be around and I know that now".
 
Despite Bundy bring arguably the most well known serial killer of all time, I personally dont know much about him or his crimes.

Have there been well publicised incidents from his childhood/family issues etc that are known to have influenced him, or is the most publicised factor from his childhood, his early exposure to pornography?
 
Burton89onegoal said:
Despite Bundy bring arguably the most well known serial killer of all time, I personally dont know much about him or his crimes.

Have there been well publicised incidents from his childhood/family issues etc that are known to have influenced him, or is the most publicised factor from his childhood, his early exposure to pornography?
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The pornography excuse is a massive cop out to me. Most of the population has been exposed to pr0n in one way or another, we don’t all go around killing people though.
 

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Good article here. While Bundy tried to distance himself from the 'child killer' tag but it's believed his first victim was an 8yo girl who lived a block away from Bundy and a 'friend' of his when he was 14yo already prowling the neighbourhood at night peeping and festering in sexual deviancy.

Pornography is an excuse imo. With or without it, his course was set.

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/04...-killer-three-pre-teen-victims-netflix-series
 
EasternTiger said:
My hike school legal studies teacher worked with Bundy.

He took great interest in reading newspaper reports of his own crimes, and would shake his head in concern "Who could do such a thing. This is terrible. I hope they catch this guy."

His favourite word was lugubrious.
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Was he really shocked? Never spotted anything wrong with him?
 
Brown_DOG68 said:
Is there a good doco or movie about Bundy?
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Netflix apparently won the ‘bidding war’ for the Zac Efron/John Malkovich movie about Bundy after its recent screening at the Sundance Film Festival. Not sure when it will be released. They’re hoping for an Oscar nomination for Efron and targeting a theatrical release. Might be ok.
 
Dee Snider said:
Netflix apparently won the ‘bidding war’ for the Zac Efron/John Malkovich movie about Bundy after its recent screening at the Sundance Film Festival. Not sure when it will be released. They’re hoping for an Oscar nomination for Efron and targeting a theatrical release. Might be ok.
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I’m looking forward to it but I’m also going in with tempered expectations. Wondering how ‘hollywood’ they’ve gone with it.

Not really for this board but I’m very intrigued to see how ZEfron does playing Bundy.
 

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revo333 said:
My main takeaway from the series was he had a chance to take a life behind bars deal and could of avoided the electric chair.
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Didnt he talk about how jail was the pits for him? ie that was half the reason he used to escape. While he thought about escaping he was free in his mind but once he recognised he couldnt get out , through the legals he chose the one way not to be locked up
 
I liked the Netflix doco. I knew a bit abt him before from what I’d read and heard in other doco’s and podcasts. But it was good to get more info and a recap of the escapes etc. I didn’t even know he had a child. I googled her and there was an article from 2018 saying the Mum has ditched Bundy before his execution and then basically disappeared. So little is known of the daughter who’d be about 37-38 now.
 

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I didn't realise he was such an escape artist. It's quite incredible to think a large portion of his killings occurred while he was a fugitive.

I'm not sure whether this is public knowledge or not, so I don't want to spoil it for anyone who is planning on watching the Netflix documentary, but I found it fascinating to learn about the depth of his methods of escaping custody.

Physically trained himself in preparation of jumping out of the second floor of the Courthouse by jumping off his bed over and over again to strengthen his legs.

Lowering his food intake over a period of time to lose enough weight so he could fit through the vent in the ceiling. Then to be clever enough to cut through a second vent leading to the office of a prison guard so he could disguise himself by dressing in security clothing.

Smothering the lock of his cell door with wet tissue paper so the door wouldn't lock.

I wasn't aware that Bundy was a law student, and certainly not aware that he represented himself in Court.

Speaking of Court, I enjoyed hearing Judge Edward Cowart praise Bundy after sentencing him to death. Saying that he wishes him well and it's a shame that such a promising man has wasted his life, before adding that he would have loved to have him practice as a lawyer under his guidance.

Part of me admires the guy for how clever he was.

I'm looking forward to the Zac Efron movie.
 
Illegitimate child

Mummy rejected him

Being an illegitimate child then was not like today, more so when mummy marries.
 
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The pornography excuse is a massive cop out to me. Most of the population has been exposed to pr0n in one way or another, we don’t all go around killing people though.
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Have been watching the recent Foxtel doco on Bundy - very, very, very tabloid but watchable enough.

The thing with Bundy was that he was an expert at deceit - deceiving his victims, others who knew him, the public and himself.

His final interview is very telling. Leave aside the ridiculousness of what he was saying - not sure what sort of pornos he was watching where women were assaulted, r*ped, murdered, r*ped again, decapitated and r*ped again - but the how, when and why he was saying it gives an insight into the deranged psyche of the man.

Why would he do that interview? What purpose would it serve? To me, it was an effort to finally deceive the public into buying into the "I could be anyone you know" myth. At one stage he even used the phrase "All-American boy." And for him to deliver the interview as calmly and eloquently when he literally has less than 12 hours to live was all part of the deceit. But the only regret or remorse is for his own hopeless situation. From an early age, Ted Bundy was an expert and prolific liar. Believing anything Bundy ever said is fraught with danger. He knew what he was saying was total nonsense but this was his last shot at sanding the rough edges of his self-perceived legacy. He was a psychopathic monster and he knew it. But it suited him to proportion blame to some aspect of society, and do it in a manner that perpetuated the image of a "good guy gone bad" who had done some introspection and gained clarity of his own actions. It was his final lie and to a large degree it worked.

As for his crimes, the judge (who was also deceived - in sentencing he concluded by calling Bundy bright, partner, a good lawyer, told him to take care, and referred to Bundy's situation as a "waste" and "tragedy") used the words "evil", "wicked" and "vile." All of this is true but he could have thrown in "arrogant" and "stupid." Why did Bundy introduce himself as "Ted"? Why did he drive such a noticeable car? (on the run in Florida he even stole another VW). Why did he drive erratically? Why did he leave clues in his house for his girlfriend to find? Why did he represent himself? All arrogance and stupidity. Bundy had deceived himself that he couldn't be caught and acted accordingly. Certainly luck was on his side - it took a long time for Seattle police to realise what they had on their hands, coordination between states was sloppy and the escapes should never have happened - but Bundy was far from a criminal mastermind.

Bundy was far from normal. The actions he chose to take in his life were not normal. He wasn't a victim of society's moral ills. But it makes a better story for the media and for Bundy himself if he's represented as the "All-American boy" who couldn't defeat a monster inside. Bundy's charm, eloquence and appearance were not aside from the monster. It was all part of him being the monster and it lured dozens of women to unimaginably horrific deaths. It also allowed those around him to not suspect him despite police looking for a "Ted" who looked just like him and who drove the same colour and make of car. I think 30 years on from his death, the image portrayed in the media, is still luring many of us into believing one of Bundy's lies.
 
Marstermind said:
Have been watching the recent Foxtel doco on Bundy - very, very, very tabloid but watchable enough.

The thing with Bundy was that he was an expert at deceit - deceiving his victims, others who knew him, the public and himself.

His final interview is very telling. Leave aside the ridiculousness of what he was saying - not sure what sort of pornos he was watching where women were assaulted, r*ped, murdered, r*ped again, decapitated and r*ped again - but the how, when and why he was saying it gives an insight into the deranged psyche of the man.

Why would he do that interview? What purpose would it serve? To me, it was an effort to finally deceive the public into buying into the "I could be anyone you know" myth. At one stage he even used the phrase "All-American boy." And for him to deliver the interview as calmly and eloquently when he literally has less than 12 hours to live was all part of the deceit. But the only regret or remorse is for his own hopeless situation. From an early age, Ted Bundy was an expert and prolific liar. Believing anything Bundy ever said is fraught with danger. He knew what he was saying was total nonsense but this was his last shot at sanding the rough edges of his self-perceived legacy. He was a psychopathic monster and he knew it. But it suited him to proportion blame to some aspect of society, and do it in a manner that perpetuated the image of a "good guy gone bad" who had done some introspection and gained clarity of his own actions. It was his final lie and to a large degree it worked.

As for his crimes, the judge (who was also deceived - in sentencing he concluded by calling Bundy bright, partner, a good lawyer, told him to take care, and referred to Bundy's situation as a "waste" and "tragedy") used the words "evil", "wicked" and "vile." All of this is true but he could have thrown in "arrogant" and "stupid." Why did Bundy introduce himself as "Ted"? Why did he drive such a noticeable car? (on the run in Florida he even stole another VW). Why did he drive erratically? Why did he leave clues in his house for his girlfriend to find? Why did he represent himself? All arrogance and stupidity. Bundy had deceived himself that he couldn't be caught and acted accordingly. Certainly luck was on his side - it took a long time for Seattle police to realise what they had on their hands, coordination between states was sloppy and the escapes should never have happened - but Bundy was far from a criminal mastermind.

Bundy was far from normal. The actions he chose to take in his life were not normal. He wasn't a victim of society's moral ills. But it makes a better story for the media and for Bundy himself if he's represented as the "All-American boy" who couldn't defeat a monster inside. Bundy's charm, eloquence and appearance were not aside from the monster. It was all part of him being the monster and it lured dozens of women to unimaginably horrific deaths. It also allowed those around him to not suspect him despite police looking for a "Ted" who looked just like him and who drove the same colour and make of car. I think 30 years on from his death, the image portrayed in the media, is still luring many of us into believing one of Bundy's lies.
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Agree with all that. I also think he did the interview because it was a chance to do something different, remembering these people have incredibly boring lives while inside. It was exciting for him.
 
Bundy was an extreme narcissist which led him to make ridiculous mistakes: representing himself,
giving his name as Ted at Lake Sammamish thinking no-one would ever catch him, driving around
drunk with incriminating material in his car etc. "I'm smarter than everyone". He wasn't.

Going to Florida ,even after being told the death penalty was in force there, was another example of him
"playing a game" with the authorities that he would always win. He was self delusional along with being
psychotic. His narcissistic anger caused him to tear up an agreement that would have prevented him from death
in the electric chair. He had to be in control of everything, even if it was to his detriment.

Bundy's long time girlfriend said he only wanted anal sex and he wanted her to play dead whilst he indulged
his fantasies. He was a necrophile. He visited his victims corpses for days after he initially killed them, much
more than is hinted at in either of the recent four part documentaries. This all started in the sixties and his claims
that he was inspired by videos of violent pornography are completely bogus.

In the sixties there was no video pr0n and 8 millemetre films of that kind were extremely rare and available
to only the very rich and well connected. Bundy was incarcerated for good by the time video pr0n was available.
He told Pastor James Dobson what he and many other religious people wanted to hear in the hope that he would
get a reprieve from his death sentence. They of course believed him and seized on his comments hoping this
would help them in their war against the sex industry.

Bundy was criminally insane and finally accepted this only at the very end of his life.
 
EasternTiger said:
My hike school legal studies teacher worked with Bundy.

He took great interest in reading newspaper reports of his own crimes, and would shake his head in concern "Who could do such a thing. This is terrible. I hope they catch this guy."

His favourite word was lugubrious.
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That's also my favourite word.
 
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