The Australian Championship Thread

[Colonial]

So you fu** over the nsl clubs by essentially killing them for franchise teams. Steal their players for years for nothing.

Then complain they are too poor to be in a 2nd division cause the a league is so stale it's dying.

A very cunning plan.

Technically the NSL clubs killed themselves and their comp through bullshit rubbish.

No one is saying they can’t do it. Just wondering how they will be able to afford it.

 

[Zidane98]

So you fu** over the nsl clubs by essentially killing them for franchise teams. Steal their players for years for nothing.

Then complain they are too poor to be in a 2nd division cause the a league is so stale it's dying.

A very cunning plan.

So much wrong with this. No NSL clubs were "****ed over". The competition was never going to last with clubs that had small but focused supporter bases. Right now all sports are struggling with covid - just look at big bash crowds. If the NSL kept going we would have no national competition at all by the end of the 00s.

Right now we're in the middle of a reboot. It's a long term play. It just happened to coincide with covid but promising signs are already there. As for your original point no club that has a player on their books as an amateur player can complain when an A League club takes them off their hands and gives them a professional contract. I don' think it would be a good idea to start a second division under the current circumstances next year - I believe it would be prudent to start a 2nd division in 2024/25 - allow clubs a few years to prepare and get things back to normal in the A league.

But you won't get sympathy from me if you're crying about NSL clubs. I had a trial with a NSL club at 16 years old so know all about how it worked.

 

[Marcel Proust]

The crowds were rubbish before the pandemic and embarrassing without mvfc carrying the league

20/20 cricket being shit doesn't help your argument at all.

 

[Zidane98]

The crowds were rubbish before the pandemic and embarrassing without mvfc carrying the league

20/20 cricket being sh*t doesn't help your argument at all.

No they weren't. Last unaffected season was 2018/19 with average crowds of 10.5k. That's miles better than any NSL season. The A League will definitely be back up to around 13-15k average crowds within 3-4 years, it's always had a cycle of big crowds, drop off and pick up again.

 

[Colonial]

The crowds were rubbish before the pandemic

And yet still leaps and bounds ahead of the NSL.

Didn’t the flag wavers of the NSL Sth Melbourne even fight relegation when they came last, so second last got relegated?
True football clubs. ****ing hilarious.

 

[Colonial]

 

[Munga]

A-League clubs currently yo-yo-ing up and down the ladder from year to year, it would suck a bit that those clubs would get relegated when they would probably bounce back the following season anyway.

Sure enough, after finishing last, Victory have won the FFA Cup and are a match behind WU on top.

Maybe it seems that as long as there is a salary cap, clubs will always be yo-yoing up and down the ladder in short time and relagation just isn't right. Maybe an average points over two or three seasons would be more accurate and better for relegation, but as if that would happen.

If the salary cap is removed, the promoted clubs would probably struggle a bit, and the bigger clubs a greater chance of avoiding relegation. It does add the risk of clubs going broke though. Another 4-6 spots in the top tier would help.

Would we create a team in Canberra and Tassie that all their community can get around, or just let all the smaller clubs scrag for promotion? I think if we're going for supporter numbers, new clubs or mergers might need to happen. If they can somehow survive with little supporters, that would be amazing.

 

[Zidane98]

Sure enough, after finishing last, Victory have won the FFA Cup and are a match behind WU on top.

Maybe it seems that as long as there is a salary cap, clubs will always be yo-yoing up and down the ladder in short time and relagation just isn't right. Maybe an average points over two or three seasons would be more accurate and better for relegation, but as if that would happen.

If the salary cap is removed, the promoted clubs would probably struggle a bit, and the bigger clubs a greater chance of avoiding relegation. It does add the risk of clubs going broke though. Another 4-6 spots in the top tier would help.

Would we create a team in Canberra and Tassie that all their community can get around, or just let all the smaller clubs scrag for promotion? I think if we're going for supporter numbers, new clubs or mergers might need to happen. If they can somehow survive with little supporters, that would be amazing.

I wouldn't look too much into last season. Beset by lockdowns & empty stadiums it was about as far away as possible from the norm. Players going down injured everywhere due to being locked away.


To start with I'd be only having 1 team going up and 1 going down for the first couple of seasons automatically with 2nd last playing 2nd from Divvy 1 in a two leg playoff to get things established.

 

[acm21]

Sure enough, after finishing last, Victory have won the FFA Cup and are a match behind WU on top.

Maybe it seems that as long as there is a salary cap, clubs will always be yo-yoing up and down the ladder in short time and relagation just isn't right. Maybe an average points over two or three seasons would be more accurate and better for relegation, but as if that would happen.

If the salary cap is removed, the promoted clubs would probably struggle a bit, and the bigger clubs a greater chance of avoiding relegation. It does add the risk of clubs going broke though. Another 4-6 spots in the top tier would help.

Would we create a team in Canberra and Tassie that all their community can get around, or just let all the smaller clubs scrag for promotion? I think if we're going for supporter numbers, new clubs or mergers might need to happen. If they can somehow survive with little supporters, that would be amazing.

There is a lot of yo-yoing in any soccer league, and someone like victory would be more likely to come straight back up then someone like Wellington or Newcastle who are more likely to find it difficult to jump back up. You would also have a lower salary cap in division 2 compared to division 1.

Pro/rel won't start straight away, and it will likely be a tiered system, with the chance of teams being promoted to pad the leagues numbers before relegation entering the frame.

 

[acm21]

The official proposal

 

[Munga]

Football Australia CEO fully committed to national second division

“We need to create a model that is authentic football and closely connected to the community."

www.sen.com.au

 

[Colonial]

Meh won’t last. 3 years tops.

The clubs entering or wanting to enter will blow their wad for 1 season to get into the A-League. Then fail and close their doors.

 

[Munga]

Meh won’t last. 3 years tops.

The clubs entering or wanting to enter will blow their wad for 1 season to get into the A-League. Then fail and close their doors.

It's a big worry. A lot of expenses on the list. Not sure how they'll afford flying across the country all season. I'd love it to work though.

 

[acm21]

It's a big worry. A lot of expenses on the list. Not sure how they'll afford flying across the country all season. I'd love it to work though.

There are a lot of leagues clubs and big companies who are supporting these clubs. Everyone is agreed a second division is needed so will be supported strongly by the FA and people behind the npl clubs who join. I'm sure the same argument was there when the aleague began.

 

[Andonis1997]

The State conference-style option will probably be the cheapest, but another couple of years to get everything up and running wouldn't hurt any club, surely.

 

[Colonial]

The State conference-style option will probably be the cheapest, but another couple of years to get everything up and running wouldn't hurt any club, surely.

Supposedly clubs are against it as it would be no different to what it is now.

 

[giggler99]

More progress made, looks like the FFA have come up with the preferred models and structures only thing left is for the clubs who want to participate to approve and accept.

Football Australia set to present National Second Division models to potential clubs

Football Australia is set to present potential models for a National Second Division at June board meeting, the organisation's CEO told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[AJ_2000]

What the Dickens is a Champions League style format in the sense of a domestic league season?

Johnson would not confirm what competition formats, or how many, have been modelled but has previously said that Football Australia was exploring the feasibility of both a traditional league structure and/or a Champions League-style format.

The practicalities of a 10-team vs. a 12-team traditional league -- amongst others -- have been examined, for example, as have the costings for 16 or 32 teams in a Champions League-style competition.

 

[giggler99]

What the Dickens is a Champions League style format in the sense of a domestic league season?

Johnson would not confirm what competition formats, or how many, have been modelled but has previously said that Football Australia was exploring the feasibility of both a traditional league structure and/or a Champions League-style format.

The practicalities of a 10-team vs. a 12-team traditional league -- amongst others -- have been examined, for example, as have the costings for 16 or 32 teams in a Champions League-style competition.

I'm guessing it something like groups of four or five teams (conference style) to cut travel costs.

 

[megadeth86]

Wow The Druitt was there. Aim high guys.

No Sydney Utd or Blacktown....

Only two Perth clubs attended too - Perth SC and Rockingham City. Some nice ambition shown by Rockingham City.

 

[megadeth86]

No they weren't. Last unaffected season was 2018/19 with average crowds of 10.5k. That's miles better than any NSL season. The A League will definitely be back up to around 13-15k average crowds within 3-4 years, it's always had a cycle of big crowds, drop off and pick up again.

Take MV out and the averages aren't as impressive. Melbourne Croatia v South Melbourne could draw 15,000 back in the day as could Marconi versus Sydney Croatia. There were clubs with small crowds in the NSL and clubs with small crowds in the A-League. Jow are Western United crowds going?

 

[Zidane98]

Take MV out and the averages aren't as impressive. Melbourne Croatia v South Melbourne could draw 15,000 back in the day as could Marconi versus Sydney Croatia. There were clubs with small crowds in the NSL and clubs with small crowds in the A-League. Jow are Western United crowds going?

The NSL wouldn't have survived a pandemic.

Even the AFL is struggling massively.

Demons vs Freo less than 30k at the MCG.

GWS has had 3k at matches. Gold Coast probably less.

Facts are that the NSL had average crowds less than the A League did in a pandemic affected season.

And plenty of A Leagur clubs have had and will have 10k plus averages in the future.

I believe the only two NSL clubs to do that were Adelaide Utd & Perth Glory.

 

[Galaxie77]

The A-League was formed to get away from all the racist ethnic clubs - why would they want to give them a platform again?

Because football without them is boring as FK.... They tried to make it EPL lite.
Nearly every team is a united or a fc....
Just follow English football if you want to see that.

And us ethnics did keep football going all those years.

 

[Zidane98]

Just 13k at Marvel today with plenty of tickets given away. 20k on Thu night for a Richmond home game. A club supposedly with 100,000 members.

Why arent the AFL pulling crowds? The EPL went straight back to full stadiums pretty much post pandemic. And this AFL season has not been affected by pandemic scheduling. AFL must be compared with EPL as both leagues are the pinnacle of their sports.

 

[Munga]

"There is also a placeholder between March 2023 and September 2023 for the establishment of a new men’s National Second Tier competition."

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