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[Schulzenfest]

For what? Securing his future by taking a higher paying and more secure job in the knowledge that his ankle injury could cause a premature end to his career if he didn't? What a prick

There are plenty of players who deserve to be hated for the way that they left their clubs. Daisy Thomas isn't one of them.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

For what? Securing his future by taking a higher paying and more secure job in the knowledge that his ankle injury could cause a premature end to his career if he didn't? What a prick

There are plenty of players who deserve to be hated for the way that they left their clubs. Daisy Thomas isn't one of them.

Yeah, because his "future" wasn't already secure enough by being one of the more higher paid players at Collingwood for 7 seasons and being one of the most popular players for the club.

Yeah, shit, he's going to be living on scraps if he stayed at Collingwood.

 

[Schulzenfest]

If you were offered the contract that Carlton were offering Daisy compared to the contract Collingwood were offering Daisy in your workplace, you'd take the Carlton contract in a microsecond. Don't pretend you wouldn't. The world doesn't revolve around your club.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

If you were offered the contract that Carlton were offering Daisy compared to the contract Collingwood were offering Daisy in your workplace, you'd take the Carlton contract in a microsecond. Don't pretend you wouldn't. The world doesn't revolve around your club.

I don't need to pretend, because I wouldn't. But at the end of the day, Daisy chose to leave for Carlton for extra money. Don't be disillusioned and say otherwise. And that's his prerogative, but with that comes extra flak from supporters.

And don't be a drama queen and mistake wanting loyalty with me apparently thinking that "the world revolves around my club".

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I don't need to pretend, because I wouldn't. But at the end of the day, Daisy chose to leave for Carlton for extra money.

Bullshit you wouldn't. In effect, it's more than a game to the players, it's also their job. In today's professionalism of the sport, that's their only source of income (inc sponsorship) before they're forced to seek other alternatives after they retire at a young age relative to life.

Any sane person would take the money and run.

1. It sets them up for life.

2. It can also set their family up for life.

Wayne Harmes has been quizzed as to why he knocks back offers to return to Carlton. He answer was I wasn't really interested in the club, it was merely a job. People in all aspects of life seek other avenues when their source of income will increase as a result.

This is the reason I would never begrudge Ablett for disappearing to greener pastures. He helped the club achieve success, and he was offered a once in a lifetime opportunity to set himself and family up in the future.

Why should when he was a fav of mine, and someone I took pleasure in witnessing play for Geelong.

Should I now think differently because he wears a different colored jumper?

 

[Logger]

Bullshit you wouldn't. In effect, it's more than a game to the players, it's also their job. In today's professionalism of the sport, that's their only source of income (inc sponsorship) before they're forced to seek other alternatives after they retire at a young age relative to life.

Any sane person would take the money and run.

1. It sets them up for life.

2. It can also set their family up for life.

Wayne Harmes has been quizzed as to why he knocks back offers to return to Carlton. He answer was I wasn't really interested in the club, it was merely a job. People in all aspects of life seek other avenues when their source of income will increase as a result.

This is the reason I would never begrudge Ablett for disappearing to greener pastures. He helped the club achieve success, and he was offered a once in a lifetime opportunity to set himself and family up in the future.

Why should when he was a fav of mine, and someone I took pleasure in witnessing play for Geelong.

Should I now think differently because he wears a different colored jumper?

Do you fight tooth and nail to declare your bank manager is the greatest of all time? Or your butcher? Do you cheer when the newsreader pronounces Susilo Banbang Yudhoyono correctly?

Football is not like just any other businesses because of the deep emotional engagement of the customer. They invest huge amounts of time and energy and love into their clubs and, by extension, the players who play for those clubs. And when a player walks out for more money, especially to a hated opposition, some if not most will feel betrayed.

For most it will be nothing more than a fleeting feeling, quickly replaced by half-jesting hatred and pantomime booing. Scully is in my avatar and if I went to a Melbourne GWS game I'd boo him just as heartily as I booed Staurt Broad at the Boxing Day test. Not because there is any genuine hatred or because I would hurt him if given the opportunity, but because that's a part of the gloriously silly side of sport, the theatrical, suspension-of-the-worlds-worries tribal nature of it. I don't hope he gets horrifically injured, but if any single player in the AFL was to have a long but completely fruitless, unsuccessful and anonymous career of unfulfilled potential, endless losses and a constant inability to perform against his old team then Tom Scully is the player who would evoke the least sympathy from me.

I'm sure there are Collingwood supporters out there who really would wish Daisy's ankle problems would eventually end in amputation, preferably at the neck, but I don't think any of them are in the Sweet FA, and I don't think TFB is one of them for a moment.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Really Logger? You begrudge Scully for taking the money?

I actually praise him for having brains, as he's really not that good. He's getting paid a bucket load of cash to perform at inadequate levels, and that's a smart move from a player who'll never amount to anything in this league. He's making significantly more money than most footballers, and with only half the talent. Are you really surprised he nodded his head with a wry old grin and departed as quickly as he arrived?

If you want to take your ire out on anyone, send the club a hated e-mail for wasting the most prized draft pick in football.

On a different note, it was a valid and reasonable point you raised.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Somebody like Mitch Clark is a good example of somebody who supporters would have a justifiable reason to feel aggrieved by. Had Brisbane jumping through hoops to keep him for years because he was apparently 'homesick' for WA, and then at the last minute decided he'd run off to Melbourne for a bit of extra cash. But if somebody just takes the best deal on offer for themselves (especially somebody like Thomas, who would know in the back of his head that his ankles could end his career at any moment) any vitriol directed at them is really just coming from somebody who thinks the world revolves around their club. Thomas would've been an idiot not to take the deal he was offered. So would've Scully.

I wish Danyle Pearce all the best at Freo, for example. He left a club that hadn't shown a lot of faith in him and took a better deal for his future. But I do have some sour grapes towards Shaun Burgoyne, because (after we'd carried him to a premiership as a 20 year old) he chucked a hissy-fit when he didn't get the captaincy and the team started losing a few games for the first time in his career, and he ran off to the premiership favourites to skulk around getting cheap touches at half back. Which all proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the club was right not to give him the captaincy. It's all about why the player left IMO, not just that they left.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

I won't pretend to understand what it's like to be an AFL player. But from my perspective, the difference between extra money and playing for the club you love or loyalty, is a no brainer to me. However, I can understand why most people would take money, but that's what separates the average people from the great people. Like I said, it's Daisy's prerogative to take the money and leave, but that doesn't mean supporters can't boo or wish he never plays a game for Carlton.

And no, the difference between the money he will make between Collingwood and Carlton won't be the deciding factor of his financial stability for the rest of his life. It's a silly argument. These players will make more than enough money in their 10 years at a football club, then most people will in 20, 30 years. Include the factor that it is encouraged that most players do a part time degree of some sort, to prepare for life after football. Include another factor that the Collingwood football club takes care of it's players. There are many public accounts of players working for the football club after retirement/delisted. And then there is the Daisy factor, safe to say, he was a celebrity playing for Collingwood. He became marketable by playing for Collingwood, and is more marketable than most other players. So no, I don't think he took the money for "financial stability" but purely out of greed.

From my point of view, any player can do what they want. They can leave the club for premiership success or for financial gain. But, imo, I have the right as a supporter to begrudge him for it, to complain or boo him from the stands, to my friends, or even behind a keyboard. It is what makes being a supporter, a supporter.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

And if I were to meet Daisy in person, would I be anything but respectful? Of course, because I'm not a campaigner.

Although I do not wish Daisy any ill fortune, I do wish it upon Carlton. So I'll be a happy man when Daisy gets injured, enjoys his money for the rest of his career on the sidelines, and continue to watch Carlton bottom out.

 

[Marlowe]

My mum meet Scully's mum last year after the Giants-Demons game. Oh, wait, I can't tell this story.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

That's all well and good TheFreshBanana, but wishing an injury on somebody for switching clubs is on a different level. That's pure hatred of the situation.

 

[Logger]

Really Logger? You begrudge Scully for taking the money?

I actually praise him for having brains, as he's really not that good. He's getting paid a bucket load of cash to perform at inadequate levels, and that's a smart move from a player who'll never amount to anything in this league. He's making significantly more money than most footballers, and with only half the talent. Are you really surprised he nodded his head with a wry old grin and departed as quickly as he arrived?

If you want to take your ire out on anyone, send the club a hated e-mail for wasting the most prized draft pick in football.

On a different note, it was a valid and reasonable point you raised.

I begrudge him more for the way he went about taking the money, lying to all and sundry including our dying club president who had spent the last years of his life saving the club, even playing the "poor me, no one believes I'm loyal" card and claiming there was no doubt that he wanted to stay at Melbourne and lead this young developing and exciting side to victory. Then he flies to Sydney and declares he is a loyal person who will be loyal from this moment on to GWS and lead their young developing and exciting club to victory, all the while not even bothering to answer questions about whether he'd signed the contract a full year in advance.

Sure, monetarily it was a good move for him but monetarily it might be a good move for your wife to become a gold-digging consort to some billionaire sugar-daddy. Would you be praising her for her brains if she walked out on you about that a year after it started, all while she was telling you that you were the only one for her?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I begrudge him more for the way he went about taking the money, lying to all and sundry including our dying club president who had spent the last years of his life saving the club, even playing the "poor me, no one believes I'm loyal" card and claiming there was no doubt that he wanted to stay at Melbourne and lead this young developing and exciting side to victory. Then he flies to Sydney and declares he is a loyal person who will be loyal from this moment on to GWS and lead their young developing and exciting club to victory, all the while not even bothering to answer questions about whether he'd signed the contract a full year in advance.

That's a fair enough summary, and one that was remiss of me to forget. This is the same reason I've lost all respect for Bomber Thompson. He lied his way through the entire 2010 season, then was partially responsible for the best player in the game taking his cash and heading for the sun.

Sure, monetarily it was a good move for him but monetarily it might be a good move for your wife to become a gold-digging consort to some billionaire sugar-daddy. Would you be praising her for her brains if she walked out on you about that a year after it started, all while she was telling you that you were the only one for her?

Hey, I can relate to this, so no comment.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

That's all well and good TheFreshBanana, but wishing an injury on somebody for switching clubs is on a different level. That's pure hatred of the situation.

Well I guess that's that. I'm not going to sugarcoat what I feel, to make myself look better, but I will preface this by saying that best scenario is that Daisy plays very average for the rest of his career, or he is either injured, but with no damaging effects to his lifestyle, only towards his football ability. If that still makes me a campaigner, then so be it, I'm a campaigner.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

but I will preface this by saying that best scenario is that Daisy plays very average for the rest of his career,

That's better, and wasn't so hard was it.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

That's better, and wasn't so hard was it.

Wouldn't have made sense when I quoted the original post.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Wouldn't have made sense when I quoted the original post.

God help me if one of Geelong's stars ever packs up and goes to Hawthorn.

 

[Logger]

I somewhat see your point, but what choice did he really have? He could've hardly come out in Round 1 and said that he's just going to play out his contract at Melbourne and then move on at the end of the season unless he wanted to be banished to Casey's reserves for the rest of the year, which would've been very damaging to his development as a footballer.

Very damaging to his development but an honourable thing to do. Or he could have just not signed the contract, which would have been even more honourable.

I'm not entirely sure we would have banished him, though. Bailey was hardly a hard-nosed my-way-or-the-highway kind of coach and while there would have been backlash from the supporters, if he'd given his all rather than skulking about like he did for most of that year he would have won some back. We certainly wouldn't have seen the sort of outpouring when he did announce he was signed, sealed and delivered.

Your point about Clark is also interesting in that most Brisbane fans I know who have mentioned it were actually happy Clark went to Melbourne rather than Freo because we were willing to pay a fair, even generous price for him, while the Dockers were bending them over without lube. As we saw in the off season there have clearly been some problems behind the scenes at the Lions for a little while, plus I'm told Clark, with a young daughter and estranged ex- who was making life as difficult for him as she could, was pretty desperate to get the hell out of Dodge. Home was preferable but Freo were driving far too hard a bargain.

 

[HawkPatrol]

Hoping for injuries to players is one of the reasons why I absolutely hate Hawthorn supporters.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

You changed your name back! AWESOME!

 

[Andonis1997]

So...um, you were Snappy, right?

 

[HawkPatrol]

So...um, you were Snappy, right?

That is correct.

 

[fumbler]

I'm hoping we see injury news about a Tiger so I can post it for him

Hello

 

[Wacky Tiger]

I had nothing but well wishes and would have even helped pack his bags when Richie Tambling left The Tigers

But on the whole you can't begrudge any player leaving for more opportunity. More opportunity could mean more $$$, could mean more playing time or could mean longer contracts. Some guys just need a change of scenery too.

Clubs are quick to show the players the door when they've finished with them.

I try to not get too invested in individual players so much as to support my team. End of the day in 10-12years Most of the current players will be gone and I'll still be supporting the Tigers