Play Nice The 'all things Carlton' mega-thread

[TooBlue14]

They say injuries mean nothing but for a club like ours in the current position it is in, losing players means an awful lot. This club is trying it's best to not only build a strong squad, but the depth to cover it as well.

- Only 2 players are so far looking to participate in every AFL match this season (Patrick Cripps and Sam Petrevski-Seton).
- Give or take the 3 suspensions (Ed Curnow, Dale Thomas and Jed Lamb), an average of 11 players were unable to be selected on a weekly basis. That's a quarter of the list.
- There have been around 39 instances of a player succumbing to injury during a match (13 of them from the VFL).
- Carlton lead the injury table with 185 games missed from injured players. A guaranteed 49 over the next five weeks takes the total to an alarming 234. It can only go up from there.
- 5 of the seven players out for the rest of the season are known to play in the backline (Sam Docherty, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman, Alex Silvagni and Tom Williamson). Adding to that, Ciaran Byrne, Harrison Macreadie, Caleb Marchbank and Jesse Glass-McCasker have all missed huge chunks of the year. Add all the games these lot have missed, that's just about equal to 115. Almost half of the minimum total (234).
- This has led to approximately 17 players rotating through defense.
- 6 instances when a player has re-aggravated the same injury they were coming off from (Matthew Kennedy - ankle, Matthew Kreuzer - groin, Marc Murphy - plantar fascia. Tom Williamson - back, Alex Silvagni - Achilles and Harrison Macreadie - Hamstring). This supported by the suspended fine of $20,000 handed down to the club after they failed to diagnose Cameron Polson for concussion in round 14, should see the medical doctors at the club come under some form of scrutiny.

It's not about who is out, but how many. It strips the team of flexibility and the chance to select players on the back of form (as not much comes through the VFL side).

There are many reasons for the team's woes, the shallow midfield, the game mentality, the zone defense (which I despise), etc. But anyone that refuses to accept the toll injuries have had on the club are only informing to others they're aren't fit to be hanging around on this thread.

This 17 players will likely become 18 this weekend with Angus Schumacher possibly getting a debut in the backline. Schu has earnt his spot onthe the back of vfl form and I’m a firm believer that this injury interrupted season will pay us back as we have had the opportunity to play a lot more of our depth/young players when they shouldn’t of had games. This should improve their development and improve the vfl success in 2019 and if we can get our best 22 on the park in 2019 at afllebelwe should be able to move up the ladder slightly. I’m not expecting much. Bottom 6 is still very much agiven unless we can bring in 2-3 mature A/B graded players in the DFA and FA. This is also on the proviso we halt this injury curse.

Look at Collingwood and North 2019 as evidence. Yes coll are still getting injuries but the players like WHE, Thomas, Cox, Daicos, Brown, sharenberg, Mayne, Phillips, sier, Stephenson, Crocker and maynard wouldn’t have got the amount of ganesunder their belts if they hadn’t had injured riddled seasons in 2016-2017. Players like fasolo, blair, greenwood, Aish, varcoe, Goldsack, Wells and Elliott probsbly couldnt displace these playersin the side now anyway. The depth being exposed has turned out rove better than who was replaced. Would Buckley have played them if it wasn’t for injury???

 

[76woodenspooners]

Look at Collingwood and North 2019 as evidence. Yes coll are still getting injuries but the players like WHE, Thomas, Cox, Daicos, Brown, sharenberg, Mayne, Phillips, sier, Stephenson, Crocker and maynard wouldn’t have got the amount of ganesunder their belts if they hadn’t had injured riddled seasons in 2016-2017.

WHE - was a ready made player (52 games at GWS) and got games on merit
Thomas - maybe, but also had great form
Cox - apart for Grundy’s suspension, not really
Daicos - not really (got a few games end of last year when finals weren’t a chance)
Brown - yes
Scharenberg - no, got games on form
Mayne - definitely not (ready made player, dropped on form and even with injuries couldn’t get a game)
Philips - no, got games on form
Sier - No, only debuted four weeks ago
Stephenson - No, only debuted this season
Crocker - yes
Maynard - generally got games on form

Players like fasolo, blair, greenwood, Aish, varcoe, Goldsack, Wells and Elliott probsbly couldnt displace these playersin the side now anyway.

Fasolo - probably not.
Blair - no
Greenwood - is in the current side
Aish - Would displace Mayne
Varcoe - is in the current side
Goldsack - if yes then only because of his height
Wells - He won’t get many games in 2019.
Elliott - when fit there would always be a place for him in our forward line (would displace Varcoe)

The depth being exposed has turned out rove better than who was replaced. Would Buckley have played them if it wasn’t for injury???

Historically Buckley has been very trigger-happy to move players in and out of the team on form - so, yes, some of these players would have got games and they did.

This season that’s changed a bit, there’s been fewer changes, and generally because of injury.

 

[outabounds]

Thank God for this at least

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[HirdyLannister]

Thank God for this at least

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Only the second biggest signing of the day!

 

[TooBlue14]

Cripps just re-signed until end of 2021. That with Curnow, Murphy, Dow, O’Brien, Fisher, Kerr this year. We dont have any uncontracted kids left. Something must be right at Carlton.

The only unsigned players for next year are:
Simpson - should get another 1 year
Kerridge - ???
Lamb - ???
Rowe - either him or ASOS stat
Shaw - delist
ASOS - leadership group either him or Rowe stay
Graham - ???
Wright - probably delisted
Thomas - should get another 1 year unless he chooses to leave for media.

We will probably keep one KPD and ondmatire midfielder out of graham, lamb, Kerridge. Hard to fight for splits if they’re injured. I reckon Kerridge stays.

You might be wondering about O’Shea, mullett and Lobbe. All have 2 year deals. The O’Shea deal was smart imo (not on performance) but to prove to vfl players at northern they can get on an afl list through the pathway. Players like Ethan Penrith, Sam fisher, Mason blakely, Tom Wilson and Jesse Palmer all a chance.

For all the negative media around and on this board it’s important to note that plenty of all your clubs have lost kids over the poor year when we are losing ****ing none.

 

[1970crow]

I don't know what some people are thinking that teams will give up to get the Number 1 pick but I can guarantee it won't be much. Talk of trading Number 1 and Cripps is just rubbish. I will be physically sick if we trade number 1 for a couple of middle of the road journeymen who won't be around 3 years later.

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I don't know what 1 is worth, but if it got you 9 and 10, then if you threw in a mid second you'd get Patrick Dangerfield as an uncontracted 25 year old and Patrick Dangerfield as first year draftee. Of course you'd have to throw in an equivalent future gun like Gore and have to deal with only 55 coming back. If I was your list mgr I'd consider a couple of picks around 10 if that's what 1 is worth.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I don't know what 1 is worth, but if it got you 9 and 10, then if you threw in a mid second you'd get Patrick Dangerfield as an uncontracted 25 year old and Patrick Dangerfield as first year draftee. Of course you'd have to throw in an equivalent future gun like Gore and have to deal with only 55 coming back. If I was your list mgr I'd consider a couple of picks around 10 if that's what 1 is worth.

#9 and #10 is not equivalent to #1 without even considering a mid second rounder on top.

 

[1970crow]

#9 and #10 is not equivalent to #1 without even considering a mid second rounder on top.

Given that the number 1 pick rarely ends up being the best player from the draft, seems like a good asset to trade. Better chance of getting the best player with a couple of picks around 7-8.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Given that the number 1 pick rarely ends up being the best player from the draft, seems like a good asset to trade. Better chance of getting the best player with a couple of picks around 7-8.

We'd only do that if we were chasing a good experienced player with one of those picks. #1 might not end up being the best player in the draft but it has the best percentage as far as making it goes. It's a safe pick with the potential to be a great pick.

 

[watchdog1987]

Cripps just re-signed until end of 2021. That with Curnow, Murphy, Dow, O’Brien, Fisher, Kerr this year. We dont have any uncontracted kids left. Something must be right at Carlton.

The only unsigned players for next year are:
Simpson - should get another 1 year
Kerridge - ???
Lamb - ???
Rowe - either him or ASOS stat
Shaw - delist
ASOS - leadership group either him or Rowe stay
Graham - ???
Wright - probably delisted
Thomas - should get another 1 year unless he chooses to leave for media.

We will probably keep one KPD and ondmatire midfielder out of graham, lamb, Kerridge. Hard to fight for splits if they’re injured. I reckon Kerridge stays.

You might be wondering about O’Shea, mullett and Lobbe. All have 2 year deals. The O’Shea deal was smart imo (not on performance) but to prove to vfl players at northern they can get on an afl list through the pathway. Players like Ethan Penrith, Sam fisher, Mason blakely, Tom Wilson and Jesse Palmer all a chance.

For all the negative media around and on this board it’s important to note that plenty of all your clubs have lost kids over the poor year when we are losing ******* none.

Or Carlton can afford to pay them 50% more than anyone else due to having zero other players?

 

[TooBlue14]

Given that the number 1 pick rarely ends up being the best player from the draft, seems like a good asset to trade. Better chance of getting the best player with a couple of picks around 7-8.

7 and 8 is basically 3200 points v 3000 points but in this draft pick 1 is probsbly gonna cost 3500-4000 due to how strong jack lukosius is. Considering pick 7-8 probably nets you Collier-Dawkins and Jackson hately. I’m still picking lukosius before those two combined.

 

[TooBlue14]

Or Carlton can afford to pay them 50% more than anyone else due to having zero other players?

Plenty of cash left to take both Guthrie’s off your hands.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Or Carlton can afford to pay them 50% more than anyone else due to having zero other players?

You need to listen to these kids more often. They are a unified group who believe they are going to have success together.

 

[AFLOnline]

Hes a ****in gun. Best player in the league imo

 

[watchdog1987]

You need to listen to these kids more often. They are a unified group who believe they are going to have success together.

The kids? How many of your players would actually be offered a decent contract at another club. Many are there as they have limited options.

SOS needs to be moved on. Especially with his son on the list.

The club should have targeted guys like

Hartung, Keefe, Hodge, Trengrove Wellingham

They could have got any of them for free. Instead they have taken salary dumps of guys who are no good and cant even help the kids.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The kids? How many of your players would actually be offered a decent contract at another club. Many are there as they have limited options.

SOS needs to be moved on. Especially with his son on the list.

The club should have targeted guys like

Hartung, Keefe, Hodge, Trengrove Wellingham

They could have got any of them for free. Instead they have taken salary dumps of guys who are no good and cant even help the kids.

Yes, the kids. The ones that have all extended their contracts because they like being at the club. The ones being talked about in the post you responded to.

The delisted free agents that we picked up are neither here nor there. They are meaningless to our rebuild. Placeholders for the VFL so the kids not playing seniors have stronger bodies around them.

Charlie Curnow, Zac Fisher, Patrick Cripps, Harry McKay, Harrison Macreadie, Jacob Weitering, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Paddy Dow, Lachie O'Brien, Tom Williamson, Patrick Kerr, Cam Polson .... they have all extended because they believe in the direction of the club, not because we are paying them more than other clubs would.

 

[La Dispute]

The club should have targeted guys like

Hartung, Keefe, Hodge, Trengrove Wellingham

Seriously?

Harting was seen as this super outside deer-in-the-headlights before being signed by North. This is the first season he's been a consistent performer.
Keefe is an average player who would still be behind Jones, Weitering and Marchbank. He's only managed to get games due to GWS' injury list
Hodge would have been handy, but Brisbane got there first, and actually pulled him out of retirement.
Trengove may have been OK, but it's hardly make or break. He's still a depth player with a significant history of injuries
Wellingham was soft and flaky - A rich man's Blaine Boekhorst, who we delisted

None of these players would have added much, and the relatively young guys in this list are benefitting from playing in competitive teams. They'd be viewed in the same light as Kerridge, Mullett, Lang or O'Shea in our lineup.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Yes, the kids. The ones that have all extended their contracts because they like being at the club. The ones being talked about in the post you responded to.

The delisted free agents that we picked up are neither here nor there. They are meaningless to our rebuild. Placeholders for the VFL so the kids not playing seniors have stronger bodies around them.

Charlie Curnow, Zac Fisher, Patrick Cripps, Harry McKay, Harrison Macreadie, Jacob Weitering, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Paddy Dow, Lachie O'Brien, Tom Williamson, Patrick Kerr, Cam Polson .... they have all extended because they believe in the direction of the club, not because we are paying them more than other clubs would.

Duds

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Duds

Clueless

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Clueless

Not much of a leg to stand on honestly. Can’t get close to another afl team, list a bunch of randoms no one has heard of and think I’m clueless?

Just cause the player is young doesn’t mean they’re a star, Kane Lambert still waiting for his contract offer, but he wasn’t young though hey?

You have Curnow and Cripps, that’s it, I wouldn’t pay for anyone else at Carlton, May throw Fisher and Dow a bone with a pre season pick. Kruezer could get injured reaching for the phone and Murphy is bleh, I suppose I’d take him for a packet of chips

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not much of a leg to stand on honestly. Can’t get close to another afl team, list a bunch of randoms no one has heard of and think I’m clueless?

Just cause the player is young doesn’t mean they’re a star, Kane Lambert still waiting for his contract offer, but he wasn’t young though hey?

You have Curnow and Cripps, that’s it, I wouldn’t pay for anyone else at Carlton, May throw Fisher and Dow a bone with a pre season pick. Kruezer could get injured reaching for the phone and Murphy is bleh, I suppose I’d take him for a packet of chips

You know what, it doesn't matter what you would pay for because nobody is basing our list on your appraisal.

You would have written off GWS in their couple of years too right? Can't get close to another AFL team blah blah blah. We actually did get close to a few teams by the way. We have the worst run of injuries in the AFL this year and for a young side, that's deadly. Of course you guys have the best run so sit up there in your ivory towers judging from afar instead of up close.

 

[La Dispute]

Not much of a leg to stand on honestly. Can’t get close to another afl team, list a bunch of randoms no one has heard of and think I’m clueless?

Just cause the player is young doesn’t mean they’re a star, Kane Lambert still waiting for his contract offer, but he wasn’t young though hey?

You have Curnow and Cripps, that’s it, I wouldn’t pay for anyone else at Carlton, May throw Fisher and Dow a bone with a pre season pick. Kruezer could get injured reaching for the phone and Murphy is bleh, I suppose I’d take him for a packet of chips

I know this is a troll, but there's something weirdly angry and cathartic about it...

Are you OK?

 

[Mr_Plow]

Duds

Seek help.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

You know what, it doesn't matter what you would pay for because nobody is basing our list on your appraisal.

You would have written off GWS in their couple of years too right? Can't get close to another AFL team blah blah blah. We actually did get close to a few teams by the way. We have the worst run of injuries in the AFL this year and for a young side, that's deadly. Of course you guys have the best run so sit up there in your ivory towers judging from afar instead of up close.

I must say I tire of Collingwood and Carlton supporters complaining about injuries.

I saw Daniel Wells sent back on the field after breaking his foot, from my ivory tower I’m saying ‘what the **** are Collingwood doing?!’ Surprise surprise, that little decision probably worsened his injury.

It’s luck - it’s also medicos, conditioning staff, trainers, etc, if Richmond are better organized and more professional, you can’t just base it on luck.

With regards to the rest of what you said, mate, everyone thought GWS would be deadly the moment they entered the comp, don’t think anyone took them lightly, Carlton are in the worst position I’ve ever remembered them. When a guy like Polson gets a game, ya know you’re stuffed.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

I know this is a troll, but there's something weirdly angry and cathartic about it...

Are you OK?

Had a tough day at work actually..and I’m a Richmond supporter, I hate Carlton.

But I love hating Carlton so please don’t forget that’s love