The Cricket Thread

[Jaeger]

Not out surely.

 

[Jaeger]

What!!? How can they give that out?

 

[Willie_Rioli]

least we got more runs than Joe Root in the 2nd innings. we're on the up

 

[Willie_Rioli]

now i know what it feels like to be a Melbourne supporter

 

[Ram-Man]

Alastair Cook reminds me of someone -- alriiiight .

 

[Brishawk]

Unfortunately I do have it correct. They brought it in about 2-3 years ago. The moment the ball strikes on the full, the umpire has to assume it will continue on a straight path.

Being hit in line is not sufficient to be given out.

Here is the rule:

http://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-36-leg-before-wicket/

And here is an explanation of the rule:

http://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws-in-action/law-36-in-action/

Note, no where does it say the umpire must assume a straight path, only that its original path is to assumed to continue. The umpire must consider drift/swing etc. Essentially all the clarification around being struck on the full did was bring the assessment of spin bowling into line with pace/swing bowling by alleviating the need to consider vagaries of the pitch or potential spin.

Bottom line if a right hand bowler hits a batsman in line with leg bowling around the wicket to a left hander it is almost impossible to be given out because the ball will almost always miss leg. The umpire had a shocker.

 

[Willie_Rioli]

Pattison out for the series with stress fracture in lower back. So disappointing. Don't know who is going to score our runs now.
Would like to see Bird given a go for the 3rd test. Also wonder if we'll pick Cummins as a replacement for Patto

 

[djboonie]

For years our domestic 4 day competition has been sub standard, and it's no longer a nurturing place for test talent. Country cricket used to be just to keep your eye in over winter, and to make some great cash, however now our players go there just for the money, and to get a foot into their 20/20 season.

Our spin bowling stocks are poor as wickets are prepared for seamers. Our batsmen have poor techniques against spin because they don't face any good spinners (see previous point.)

What it doesn't excuse though, is our poor technique against quality fast bowling.

Look at the table below (Top 10 run scorers in Shield 2012/13)

Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR
RT Ponting 9 16 4 911 200* 75.91 1453 62.69
MJ Cosgrove 11 20 0 784 104 39.2 1565 50.09
CJL Rogers 10 17 2 742 131 49.46 1571 47.23
AJ Doolan 10 18 1 715 149 42.05 1385 51.62
PJ Hughes 6 12 0 673 158 56.08 1137 59.19
CJ Ferguson 9 17 1 639 164 39.93 1506 42.43
JA Burns 10 19 1 587 120 32.61 1315 44.63
NJ Maddinson 8 16 1 532 154 35.46 736 72.28
CL White 9 15 1 510 144 36.42 1029 49.56
MS Harris 10 20 0 510 114 25.5 1094 46.61

OOPS Used old data (Section removed)

I hate seeing out cricketing world collapse, however there's little hope of a turn around as our young boys are drawn to play one of the football codes, whilst cricket is something to fill in the time in summer. (nowadays from U/16s footy up preseason training starts in January)

$$$ talks and they can all all earn more by playing 2nd level footy than they ever will playing cricket.

Argus report or not, it's the talent available that determines success, not the structure of administrators or coaches. England went through a 15 year period similar to what we are starting to experience.

This is just the beginning.

 

[djboonie]

Table of data from the last few shield seasons.

Data based on top 100 bats (runs scored)

season 100 50 avg sr
2012-13 30 105 33.41 50.1
2011-12 44 110 37.23 52.1
2010-11 45 105 38.84 51.35
2009-10 55 122 40.58 53.65
2008-09 56 121 38.95 52.57
2007-08 52 143 40.1 52.58
2006-07 50 142 38.59 53.17

Whilst strike rates have remained steady, the averages have dropped gradually.

 

[Brishawk]

Yep, its bizarre we have poor techniques against pace. Maybe our bowlers are overrated and it is simply a matter of our batsman being rubbish.

Pattinson a blow. Got to be honest, I felt he would break down. Every time he has a bad test it turns out he is injured. How do you get stress fractures after two tests with months in between tours?

 

[Henry Jr]

Table of data from the last few shield seasons.

Data based on top 100 bats (runs scored)



Whilst strike rates have remained steady, the averages have dropped gradually.

With the biggest drop coming in the past 12 months... yikes!

 

[Brishawk]

Its unnerving that our no 11 has the best average for the series. Surely this just demonstrates that the consistent failure of our top order is attitude. If our bowlers can stick it out for 50+ balls per innings surely our batsman can do it regularly too.

 

[djboonie]

Season    100's 50's    Inn50+  Avg
2012-13    30    105    135    33.41
2011-12    44    110    154    37.23
2010-11    45    105    150    38.84
2009-10    55    122    177    40.58
2008-09    56    121    177    38.95
2007-08    52    143    195    40.1
2006-07    50    142    192    38.59

Record low of 30 tons, total of 135 innings above 50 for the year...

 

[Langford4FBOTC]

Season    100's 50's    Inn50+  Avg
2012-13    30    105    135    33.41
2011-12    44    110    154    37.23
2010-11    45    105    150    38.84
2009-10    55    122    177    40.58
2008-09    56    121    177    38.95
2007-08    52    143    195    40.1
2006-07    50    142    192    38.59

Record low of 30 tons, total of 135 innings above 50 for the year...

Read an article yesterday referencing the Shield pitch preparation favouring outright results as a big factor in the season stats.

Telling that only two of the top ten shield batsmen are in the test squad

 

[Henry Jr]

Read an article yesterday referencing the Shield pitch preparation favouring outright results as a big factor in the season stats.

Telling that only two of the top ten shield batsmen are in the test squad

Bingo. Pick the best 5 batsman plus Clarke. Don't care who they are.

 

[Brishawk]

Bingo. Pick the best 5 batsman plus Clarke. Don't care who they are.

Given our test batsman don't play shield cricket how do you line up the form?

 

[grizzlym]

Warner beating up South Africa A. I see Maxwell is in the top 6... Can't fathom how someone like Joe Burns can't get a gig.

 

[grizzlym]

Bingo. Pick the best 5 batsman plus Clarke. Don't care who they are.

Yeah well, if the current Australia A side is an indication of the selector's thoughts then we have Henriques and Maxwell holding down key batting batting spots.

Something. Rotten. Denmark.

 

[Henry Jr]

AusA team Finch (c), S Marsh, Doolan, Warner, Henriques, Maxwell, Paine, Coulter-Nile, Sayers, Hazlewood, Ahmed, Maddinson (12th)

Australia XI to play Sussex: Cowan (c) Hughes, Khawaja, Smith, Wade, Faulkner, Agar, Turner, Starc, Lyon, Bird

 

[Henry Jr]

Before I make a comment about Warner.. Yes I know its only South Africa A.

Warner just knocked up 111* at the tea break batting at number 4 but even more impressive is that he has faced 144 deliveries to this point. Only Haddin has lasted as many deliveries in an innings which was 147.

Think it might have been Clint McKay during the week said if you bat time.. the runs will look after themselves.

 

[djboonie]

193 for Warner, and 103* for Maxwell.
51 for Henry Jr mate Finch

 

[Langford4FBOTC]

So who makes way for Warner?..... Hope it's not Rogers

 

[Spanish Sahara]

So who makes way for Warner?..... Hope it's not Rogers

We can get rid of Watson!!

 

[Brishawk]

So who makes way for Warner?..... Hope it's not Rogers

I'd get rid of Watson. Given we are playing on dust bowls it makes more sense to play Smith as the 'all rounder' than watson and he has bowled better and batted about the same. Don't want to drop special K or Hughes. They are the future and need the exposure. Hughes has shown he can improve his game and it was a great innings in the first test. Hoping he will respond. Only problem with dropping watson is that you need to find another opener. You could open special k but then you got to find a number 3. You could play Hughes at three I guess but that is a lot of changes to the line up.

 

[Langford4FBOTC]

We can get rid of Watson!!

I'd get rid of Watson. Given we are playing on dust bowls it makes more sense to play Smith as the 'all rounder' than watson and he has bowled better and batted about the same. Don't want to drop special K or Hughes. They are the future and need the exposure. Hughes has shown he can improve his game and it was a great innings in the first test. Hoping he will respond. Only problem with dropping watson is that you need to find another opener. You could open special k but then you got to find a number 3. You could play Hughes at three I guess but that is a lot of changes to the line up.

I reckon they should make a call on Watson. All the stuff being bandied around at the moment about his stats and vulnerabilities - it's nothing new. I mean how much writing do they need on the wall. Problem is that I doubt they'll have the balls to make it right now. Prove me wrong Boof!

Agree that Hughes and Special K need to have some faith shown in them (especially K, he's been dicked around way too much). Should do the same with Smith although I'm still to be convinced of his long term place.

As for who bats where.... only so many ways you can arrange the furniture. I'd suggest Warner bats where the person he replaces bats.... if that's opening, we could do worse. Good on him for knuckling down and making big runs. That has to be rewarded

Got to add that if they drop Rogers, we really are fracked. Hasn't made big runs, but has been unlucky twice and has looked capable of building a test innings of note when at the crease.