Mega Thread The Flat Earth Mega thread.

[darthbards]

Well, astrology could be used to make that argument. The Australian indigenous have recorded for over a hundred thousand years us making the same revolution. and all the other planets doing so simultaneously.

I'm not overly familiar with Australian indigenous philosophies so I apologise for my ignorance in these regards.
Do they make any mention of things like the human race reaching singularity?
Is singularity mentioned at all in the bible?

 

[little graham]

Do they make any mention of things like the human race reaching singularity?
Is singularity mentioned at all in the bible?

Its called religion working.

 

[darthbards]

Its called religion working.

Well lg,I did find that response insufficient,but in a deliberate way,which is good.
Having my interest tickled I've been forced to do some research on these matters myself. Not being overly religious personally,which you seem you might be,maybe you can give some thoughts on my brief conclusion. Bare in mind I have only just looked into this and could be talking nonsense at this early point,and my religious knowledge could be considered poor.
It appears the book of Daniel talks a fair bit about human knowledge expanding at a rapid rate and this knowledge being available or having effect on everybody. Rich,poor,etc etc.,there are parts here that could certainly relate to singularity and a massive leap in human knowledge/intelligence. Looking into the book of Daniel as a whole,I'm not sure this is a good thing,or at least not a good thing for those without faith.
Now this leads me to the Psalms and more particularly Psalms 2:1-4.
Now this in particular has me somewhat concerned. Would mankind take on and use this extreme intelligence/knowledge in a poor way. I believe yes,is possible and with this knowledge humans could become so arrogant that they may think they are now an almighty being that can be defeated by nobody,including God himself.
What I find interesting in this regard,and in regards to the theory of simulation is that not only are we now spending millions of dollars to research this,which is fair enough and I believe good,but private entrepreneurs are spending millions of their own private money with an openly stated goal to try and one day break out of the simulation. I can see something prophetic in this,which might not be so good for us according to the scriptures.

 

[little graham]

Well lg,I did find that response insufficient,but in a deliberate way,which is good.
Having my interest tickled I've been forced to do some research on these matters myself. Not being overly religious personally,which you seem you might be,maybe you can give some thoughts on my brief conclusion. Bare in mind I have only just looked into this and could be talking nonsense at this early point,and my religious knowledge could be considered poor.
It appears the book of Daniel talks a fair bit about human knowledge expanding at a rapid rate and this knowledge being available or having effect on everybody. Rich,poor,etc etc.,there are parts here that could certainly relate to singularity and a massive leap in human knowledge/intelligence. Looking into the book of Daniel as a whole,I'm not sure this is a good thing,or at least not a good thing for those without faith.
Now this leads me to the Psalms and more particularly Psalms 2:1-4.
Now this in particular has me somewhat concerned. Would mankind take on and use this extreme intelligence/knowledge in a poor way. I believe yes,is possible and with this knowledge humans could become so arrogant that they may think they are now an almighty being that can be defeated by nobody,including God himself.
What I find interesting in this regard,and in regards to the theory of simulation is that not only are we now spending millions of dollars to research this,which is fair enough and I believe good,but private entrepreneurs are spending millions of their own private money with an openly stated goal to try and one day break out of the simulation. I can see something prophetic in this,which might not be so good for us according to the scriptures.

Your mind is nothing but a computer, your intelligence is in your heart. Religion is a form of socialism, when its done right, its done from the heart. Then you get that massive spike in intelligence, knowledge and shit. Singularity.

Aboriginals had it perhaps a hundred thousand years. That intelligence lead to them applying science to avoid all that sinful shit in the bible.

 

[darthbards]

Your mind is nothing but a computer, your intelligence is in your heart.

I agree with this part totally.

 

[cannot]

The ancient Chinese people believed the sky is a round dome, surrounding a flat square-shaped Earth. The ocean goes all around the Earth. The sun travels in a big tilted circle. At night the sun is not under the Earth, but rather on the side of the Earth.

The ancient Egyptians believed the Earth is flat. The sky is like a flat plate, supported at four places by mountains. The sun is carried across the sky in a boat, from east to west. At night, the sun is carried back to the east through the Underworld.

In ancient India it was believed that the Earth is a circular disk, surrounded by the ocean. In the center of the world is a great mountain. The sun goes around the mountain once a day. In the evening, the sun goes behind the western side of the mountain. It travels behind the mountain at night, and comes out on the eastern side in the morning.

http://nfo.edu/astro/models.htm

Very.

They sailed around the world, in both directions.

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Could still be a round illusion inside a simulation.

little gaz, why is there multi sources claiming Egyptians considered the world flat after a very quick search

traveling 'around the world'

hypothetically they could have gone 'around the disk'

have you shown australian aboriginals thought earth was round?

or did they get some cosmology predictions right - which might be possible on a flat model

 

[little graham]

i do even think your shown australian aboriginals thought earth was round? merely they got some cosmology predictions right which might be possible on a flat model

Do some research on dot paintings. Also do some research of the map of the solar system carved into rock near Gosford.

 

[cannot]

Do some research on dot paintings. Also do some research of the map of the solar system carved into rock near Gosford.

yeah will do, cheers

the vikings sailed heaps in all directions too. is this any evidence they thought the world was a globe or pear shaped as the celebrity science communicator asserts? are you just extrapolating some aboriginal correct thoughts in regards to space any assuming that equates to the total cosmology being 'globe earth' or do you have stronger proof? as its interesting and i would like to learn more of our native peoples!

Are you sure its not possible for some, to both think its a different shape and occasional predict space events? How does the dreamtime serpent story fit in with the aboriginal understanding of a globe earth?

remember, there were times when the chinese were amazing at sailing expeditions with large fleets of citrus (no scurvy issues) carrying vessels - if the emperor felt like exploring . perhaps they 'discovered' america ? so china was capable of believing the world was flat until western religious interference and having great sailing knowledge many years before simultaneously

( ... I have read one of the questions / seeds planted by some shady types... asked/told in modern day, 'mkultra type' things is "how can Columbus discover america if the amercian-indians were already living there?" )

i am open to believing Egyptians, and other people over countries and time thought the world was as we 'know' today i just have not seen evidence for that claim, and without doing much research (which i will try to do) the weight of evidence seems to be most reckoned it was flat-like

 

[little graham]

yeah will do, cheers
the vikings sailed heaps in all directions too.

There is potential evidence the vikings were hunting seals off kangaroo island. A white race certainly was visiting and they weren't very friendly.The indigenous here are the oldest known pagan civilization. You can follow the progression of that religion through Greece and even to Scandinavia (vikings) and Scotland. the Germans of the Nazi era declared aboriginals Aryan. The Egyptians did come here, the facts are crystal clear. If the Egyptians were not the ones supplying maps of the solar system that clearly portrays earth as like any other planet, they would of seen those maps here and would of been very aware. There has been an awful lot of history lost as result of the British genocide, so one cant completely rule out no one ever claimed the earth was any different shape.

It is well established that traditional Aboriginal oral traditions include significant references to the sky, and the motion of the bodies within it. It is becoming clear that this knowledge includes a deep understanding of the motion of celestial bodies, and so it should not come as a surprise to find this knowledge reflected in rock art.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1009/1009.4753.pdf


You can settle your own mind by going to the bar at a yacht club and chatting with guys who use a compass to cross hemispheres.

 

[Cuzdup]

yeah will do, cheers

the vikings sailed heaps in all directions too. is this any evidence they thought the world was a globe or pear shaped as the celebrity science communicator asserts? are you just extrapolating some aboriginal correct thoughts in regards to space any assuming that equates to the total cosmology being 'globe earth' or do you have stronger proof? as its interesting and i would like to learn more of our native peoples!

Are you sure its not possible for some, to both think its a different shape and occasional predict space events? How does the dreamtime serpent story fit in with the aboriginal understanding of a globe earth?

remember, there were times when the chinese were amazing at sailing expeditions with large fleets of citrus (no scurvy issues) carrying vessels - if the emperor felt like exploring . perhaps they 'discovered' america ? so china was capable of believing the world was flat until western religious interference and having great sailing knowledge many years before simultaneously

( ... I have read one of the questions / seeds planted by some shady types... asked/told in modern day, 'mkultra type' things is "how can Columbus discover america if the amercian-indians were already living there?" )

i am open to believing Egyptians, and other people over countries and time thought the world was as we 'know' today i just have not seen evidence for that claim, and without doing much research (which i will try to do) the weight of evidence seems to be most reckoned it was flat-like

Regarding the Norse/Germanic pagans (Vikings) there is nothing in their mythology that suggests they were flat earthers. None of their mythology is literal it was all a bunch of lessons on life which evolve heavily around nature, birth and death, heroic quests and creation and destruction of the world.

Maybe the only myth that could be interpreted to believe the Norse were flat earthers is the myth of Jormungandr the Midgard serpent thats lives in the ocean completely encircling the earth biting his own tail. The myth says that Thor the most favored of Norse gods went fishing and hooked onto Jormungandr and the pair went into an epic battle as Thor wanted to make the oceans safe for human fisherman. The giant that accompanied Thor feared for his life and that the event was about to ignite Ragnarok so he cut Thors line this ending the battle much to Thors fury. Now this myth is as old as the pagans themselves long before they were Vikings and was aimed at keeping fisherman from venturing to far from shore so they would be safe, no mention of them falling off a flat earth has ever been read.

During the Viking age 700AD - 1000AD the myth of Jormungandr was very real for the early part of this as the Vikings hugged coast lines mapping almost all of Europe and plundering all along the way. It wasnt until their navigation technology improved in the late part of the Viking age they started to venture further into open seas eventually discovering North America. (Thats right the Vikings beat Columbus by about 600 years).

In the dozens of Viking sagas which are actual accounts there was never any mention of them fearing sailing off the edge of the earth and the fact that a myth suggests Midgard or earth is made from the skull of a giant slayed by Odin suggests the Norse believe the earth is a sphere.

 

[NEGAN]

How do tides occur on a flat earth model?

 

[little graham]

The live stream from the ISS is pretty cool.

 

[little graham]

How do tides occur on a flat earth model?

The indigenous here say the tides are effected by the lunar cycle. In fact they carved out maps of the lunar cycle. Don't know how they knew, but thats what they thought. Its a really strange one coz white mans science says exactly the same thing. It seems the biggest tides are always on the full moon and dodge seems to happen at first and last quarter.

 

[NEGAN]

The indigenous here say the tides are effected by the lunar cycle. In fact they carved out maps of the lunar cycle. Don't know how they knew, but thats what they thought. Its a really strange one coz white mans science says exactly the same thing. It seems the biggest tides are always on the full moon and dodge seems to happen at first and last quarter.

Where do you rate the ancient Egyptian knowledge?

They had the earth as round and a full map of our solar system with the sun in the middle.

But the strange thing about it is they had 10 planets where as modern day science has it at 9 if you include Pluto.

 

[cannot]

Where do you rate the ancient Egyptian knowledge?

They had the earth as round and a full map of our solar system with the sun in the middle.

But the strange thing about it is they had 10 planets where as modern day science has it at 9 if you include Pluto.

sauces pls

 

[little graham]

Where do you rate the ancient Egyptian knowledge

I don't know what to make of them. I've seen a few docos with some really good points, but the overall message is dodgy as.

They had the earth as round and a full map of our solar system with the sun in the middle.

But the strange thing about it is they had 10 planets where as modern day science has it at 9 if you include Pluto.

Thats what some of the indigenous here believe.

My advice to flat earthers is move on. You've been duped.

If you have to, go talk to sailors, there is hundreds of thousands of them that have sailed around the world or worked on merchant shipping.

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

I don't know what to make of them. I've seen a few docos with some really good points, but the overall message is dodgy as.



Thats what some of the indigenous here believe.

My advice to flat earthers is move on. You've been duped.

If you have to, go talk to sailors, there is hundreds of thousands of them that have sailed around the world or worked on merchant shipping.

The greatest mystery is how this thread has reached 37 pages.

I really fear humanity is doomed.

 

[Total Power]

The greatest mystery is how this thread has reached 37 pages.

I really fear humanity is doomed.

Some incredibly stupid people around

 

[little graham]

Some incredibly stupid people around

 

[Total Power]

LOL why wont you start crying again when someone tries to challenge your ridiculous conspiracy beliefs? STFU seriously, replying to people with stuff like "you wont say it to my face" doesnt make you any more intelligent, stick to cyber bullying.

 

[cannot]

The greatest mystery is how this thread has reached 37 pages.

I really fear humanity is doomed.

yes it is flat earth theories which are spreading most terror and gloom to human kind

such hyperbole

 

[darthbards]

Some incredibly stupid people around

We will more than likely need to reach Super Intelligence before we realise we are living in a flat two dimensional universe,on a flat earth inside a simulation that's being simulated as round.
So you think we are still a fair way off? I still think it's possible to occur in our current lifetimes.

 

[cannot]

We will more than likely need to reach Super Intelligence before we realise we are living in a flat two dimensional universe,on a flat earth inside a simulation that's being simulated as round.
So you think we are still a fair way off? I still think it's possible to occur in our current lifetimes.

have you seen the 'concussion' film with will smith?

there will always be some push back for the authorities regardless of the truths

i am not a fe but (i feel like ive joined a room of SJW and said "i am not racist but" /// )

it would not surprise me if some 500 yr pyscho op was underfoot as there were many things being held back from the average blue collar worker - i may be crazy as a disclaimer

crazy people often think they are not crazy, or so i have heard

tbf - im assuming flat earthers used to think JFK death was quite normal, 9/11 was not weird, the fed and bank of international settlements is a perfectly reasonable organisation, isreal is an upstanding nation state, the catholic church is your run of the mill religion types, the NSA is out to help protect us, as are the TSA extra

 

[Watchyourwaite]

have you seen the 'concussion' film with will smith?

Definitive proof of a flat earth!

 

[darthbards]

have you seen the 'concussion' film with will smith?

there will always be some push back for the authorities regardless of the truths

i am not a fe but (i feel like ive joined a room of SJW and said "i am not racist but" /// )

it would not surprise me if some 500 yr pyscho op was underfoot as there were many things being held back from the average blue collar worker - i may be crazy as a disclaimer

crazy people often think they are not crazy, or so i have heard

tbf - im assuming flat earthers used to think JFK death was quite normal, 9/11 was not weird, the fed and bank of international settlements is a perfectly reasonable organisation, isreal is an upstanding nation state, the catholic church is your run of the mill religion types, the NSA is out to help protect us, as are the TSA extra

Haven't seen the film and unfortunately I'm not a big film watcher. Just had a quick read of the plot though.

In general I think it's fair to say something strange is going on regarding the world we live in,something we appear to no very little about or are not being told. It's also apparent and understandable in a self interest perspective that both the major religions,faith and science,have a huge interest in self preservation and will try and hide certain truths,or deny certain facts if neccasary and also try and promote their religions where they see fit.
While I find it difficult to believe the flat earth being promoted in the op that doesn't make the round earth scenario we are being taught an open and shut case either.
I'm not big on the calling others idiots train,I find such vocabulary unnecassary and a hinderence in seeking the right and wrong answers.
I think with the conspiracy angle of things,some would appear very likely to be true and some a bit over the top,on a sliding scale that means there is also possibly a fair bit of middle ground.
The thing I find interesting though is this,for every conspiracy theory that isn't true is the person who believed an idiot or were they just wrong? I'd say wrong,no harm was really done and in some cases it could give more proof and understanding to the real facts as we have considered all sides and it might mean an investigation has been thoroughly undertaken.
What of those who blindly believe everything they are told? They could not only be wrong but there is great harm done when blindly following what others tell you to believe. I'd think this is a better example of what might be termed an idiot or stupid.