The Floating Donut

[Test Tickle]

This is doing my head in
Firstly, is it within the ethics of the game or are we cheating?
Secondly, is it worth trading in a or several rookies that will act as a floating donut to take advantage of the Captain loophole and also the Emergency loophole?

 

[MightyMark]

This is doing my head in
Firstly, is it within the ethics of the game or are we cheating?
Secondly, is it worth trading in a or several rookies that will act as a floating donut to take advantage of the Captain loophole and also the Emergency loophole?

It's just strategy. It's not cheating. If your willing to carry a non-playing rookie all year to utilise the loophole so be it.

Anyone can do it, so it's not like any one person is getting an advantage, just the people smart enough.

 

[Parasite]

That's the problem I think, some people have lives, the rest of us play Supercoach.

 

[borrat]

i will be taking 2 rookie priced non playing ruck rookies

1.no giles or smith type of ruckmen this year

2.to take advantage of the captain loophole

 

[TheOz]

i will be taking 2 rookie priced non playing ruck rookies

1.no giles or smith type of ruckmen this year

2.to take advantage of the captain loophole

Why do you need two for the captain loophole, would have thought that just one would suffice for the captain's loophole to work?

 

[borrat]

probably only need one but i dont see the point of paying an extra 13 or 19 grand for a main list ruckman this year

i could easily afford to seeing i have 43 grand left

 

[TheOz]

probably only need one but i dont see the point of paying an extra 13 or 19 grand for a main list ruckman this year

i could easily afford to seeing i have 43 grand left

Witts and Currie are bottom priced and could get games.

 

[MrChristo]

The bit about it that's doing my head in, is that surely we can't trade in/out a player who has already played that weekend? (Can we??)

ie. Mr. McBean plays Friday night in round 2...I assume then that his 'C' is frozen and so the loophole doesn't then really exist, given that you then can't double down on the VC?

And, also, comnig into Sunday games, if someone in your team is named as a sub, surely the only options are to then mix/match with the players who are left still to play??

Or have I got this all wrong completely?!

 

[LuvtheKangas]

^ um, it relies on Mr McBean not playing.

 

[Test Tickle]

The bit about it that's doing my head in, is that surely we can't trade in/out a player who has already played that weekend? (Can we??)

ie. Mr. McBean plays Friday night in round 2...I assume then that his 'C' is frozen and so the loophole doesn't then really exist, given that you then can't double down on the VC?

And, also, comnig into Sunday games, if someone in your team is named as a sub, surely the only options are to then mix/match with the players who are left still to play??

Or have I got this all wrong completely?!

yeh, hopefully your VC plays before Mr McBeans team, if Tigers play 1st game it pretty much stuffs up the loophole for that week if McBean is your only non playing player.....i think

 

[Ed D]

The bit about it that's doing my head in, is that surely we can't trade in/out a player who has already played that weekend? (Can we??)

ie. Mr. McBean plays Friday night in round 2...I assume then that his 'C' is frozen and so the loophole doesn't then really exist, given that you then can't double down on the VC?

And, also, comnig into Sunday games, if someone in your team is named as a sub, surely the only options are to then mix/match with the players who are left still to play??

Or have I got this all wrong completely?!

Players are locked in once their team has played and you can't trade, move or make them VC/C/emergency afterwards.

 

[TheOz]

The bit about it that's doing my head in, is that surely we can't trade in/out a player who has already played that weekend? (Can we??)

ie. Mr. McBean plays Friday night in round 2...I assume then that his 'C' is frozen and so the loophole doesn't then really exist, given that you then can't double down on the VC?

And, also, comnig into Sunday games, if someone in your team is named as a sub, surely the only options are to then mix/match with the players who are left still to play??

Or have I got this all wrong completely?!

Better off using Sinclair, they play later on in rounds.

 

[MrChristo]

^ um, it relies on Mr McBean not playing.

I meant Richmond, not him specifically...

...either way, he was just the example.

Oh well, seems my understanding of it is close enough! I think you're right TheOz, can't see it being a huge issue.

 

[Ball Hog]

That is why having Cox as a forward and a F/R rookie that won't play will be helpful this year. Opportunity for captain loophole and to use the 'floating donut' to see if your 8th forward outscores your 2nd ruck on any given week. Although I definitely wouldn't deliberately pick a dud in any position other than 4th ruck to take advantage of this 'floating donut strategy'. I'm sure by round 3 or 4 onwards injuries/selection issues will mean that you won't have a full 30 playing anyway. If you use the strategy appropriately over the whole season it could be quite valuable, I guess it is just a matter of how much time you have.

 

[Daniels]

This is doing my head in too! I get the rough idea / gist as I have known how 'loopholes' have worked in past years, but still can't get my head around the idea and how it will work week by week this season

 

[Test Tickle]

This is doing my head in too! I get the rough idea / gist as I have known how 'loopholes' have worked in past years, but still can't get my head around the idea and how it will work week by week this season

ok i will give my interpretation of how it works and i stand to be corrected, i think we all know the Captain loophole works so i'll explain the emergency loophole as best i can.
Lets say in my defence i have A and B as playing rookies, C is playing but on my bench and D as a non playing rookie also on the bench.
A is playing before anyone else, so i put A on the bench as my emergency and wait and see how he scores.
If he scores lets say 90 and im very happy with that i can replace B with D, (hopefully B doesnt score as well as A), D gets a zero so then i get A's score.
If A scores terrible then i leave B and C as my scoring players in the hope that B and C score better than A.
Unfortunatly it falls down when your non playing rookie D plays before everyone else.

Clear as mud hey?

 

[TheOz]

ok i will give my interpretation of how it works and i stand to be corrected, i think we all know the Captain loophole works so i'll explain the emergency loophole as best i can.
Lets say in my defence i have A and B as playing rookies, C is playing but on my bench and D as a non playing rookie also on the bench.
A is playing before anyone else, so i put A on the bench as my emergency and wait and see how he scores.
If he scores lets say 90 and im very happy with that i can replace B with D, (hopefully B doesnt score as well as A), D gets a zero so then i get A's score.
If A scores terrible then i leave B and C as my scoring players in the hope that B and C score better than A.
Unfortunatly it falls down when your non playing rookie D plays before everyone else.

Clear as mud hey?

Pretty much spot on.

 

[Quixote]

ok i will give my interpretation of how it works and i stand to be corrected, i think we all know the Captain loophole works so i'll explain the emergency loophole as best i can.
Lets say in my defence i have A and B as playing rookies, C is playing but on my bench and D as a non playing rookie also on the bench.
A is playing before anyone else, so i put A on the bench as my emergency and wait and see how he scores.
If he scores lets say 90 and im very happy with that i can replace B with D, (hopefully B doesnt score as well as A), D gets a zero so then i get A's score.
If A scores terrible then i leave B and C as my scoring players in the hope that B and C score better than A.
Unfortunatly it falls down when your non playing rookie D plays before everyone else.

Clear as mud hey?

Stuff that for a joke.

What's the Captain's loophole?

I'm a master player and thus have never sought to cheat, but this Captain's loophole intrigues me...

 

[Daniels]

ok i will give my interpretation of how it works and i stand to be corrected, i think we all know the Captain loophole works so i'll explain the emergency loophole as best i can.
Lets say in my defence i have A and B as playing rookies, C is playing but on my bench and D as a non playing rookie also on the bench.
A is playing before anyone else, so i put A on the bench as my emergency and wait and see how he scores.
If he scores lets say 90 and im very happy with that i can replace B with D, (hopefully B doesnt score as well as A), D gets a zero so then i get A's score.
If A scores terrible then i leave B and C as my scoring players in the hope that B and C score better than A.
Unfortunatly it falls down when your non playing rookie D plays before everyone else.

Clear as mud hey?

That's what I thought. You are banking on having 'non playing rookie' basically playing one of the later Sunday games for it to be best used, right?

And the same technique to be used for 'Captain Loophole' too? Will all depend when the 'non playing rookie' is playing to be used at full strength or am I missing something?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

This is doing my head in
Firstly, ...

The bit about it that's doing my head in, is that ...

This is doing my head in too!

Lots of heads being done in here. I wish I could think of a good one-liner about getting head done, then I would post it here for a laugh.

 

[HashtagFooty]

I'd recommend sacrificing your R4 spot on someone like Naismith, Moller or Osborn, who are no chance at all to play, for $96k, starting them on the ground, and having Leuenberger (or whoever your R2 is) as an emergency. Let's be honest - the rookie rucks stocks are that low this year, you're not missing out on much.

Then, you set a VC as someone playing on Friday night (or Saturday if your actual intended captain is playing on Sunday). If your Friday night VC scores 140+, you make your R4 captain - taking a 0, and the double score reverting to your VC. If the VC scores 90, you set your regular captain as C before the Sunday game. Easy.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

^ Beautifully explained.

Mate, only 19 posts and they have been absolute quality. I look forward to your future contributions.

 

[Impromptu]

Don't normally mention my own site, but you may want to look at the Floating Donut's Draw as well as the Floating Donut. http://www.supercoachscores.com/threads/286-Floating-Donut-s-Draw

Also there are 4 detailed articles on the pros and cons of the Floating Donut.

And No, it's not cheating. Been used over the years and Herald Sun have never penalised anyone over this.

 

[Daniels]

I'd recommend sacrificing your R4 spot on someone like Naismith, Moller or Osborn, who are no chance at all to play, for $96k, starting them on the ground, and having Leuenberger (or whoever your R2 is) as an emergency. Let's be honest - the rookie rucks stocks are that low this year, you're not missing out on much.

Then, you set a VC as someone playing on Friday night (or Saturday if your actual intended captain is playing on Sunday). If your Friday night VC scores 140+, you make your R4 captain - taking a 0, and the double score reverting to your VC. If the VC scores 90, you set your regular captain as C before the Sunday game. Easy.

Got ya! Cheers!

 

[TheOz]

Been thinking about this one a bit more, Byrnes as the F7 with Dwyer as the F/C donut in the mids. Can't see any forward rookies that will make it worthwhile however with Byrnes he'll more likely than not play every week and score better than the rest of the forward rookies. Alot of money on the bench but might be worth it for the sake of an extra couple hundred points if it's used correctly. Also allows one to start Steve Johnson and have adequate coverage off the forward bench in round 1 if one is so inclined to pick Johnson (and knowing how 50/50 most of the forward premiums seem to be this year, the Johnson option is viable). Also with Byrnes at F7, it'll make for an easier early upgrade to a Franklin or Naitanui if one is not starting with them and waiting for them to inevitably lower in value.