The glove

[Daicos_35]

If anyone is interested in the science behind the glove the players were wearing on the bench

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/august/cooling-glove-research-082912.html

"Equal to or substantially better than steroids … and it's not illegal."

"The researchers applied the cooling method to other types of exercise – bench press, running, cycling. In every case, rates of gain in recovery were dramatic, without any evidence of the body being damaged by overwork – hence the "better than steroids" claim. Versions of the glove have since been adopted by the Stanford football and track and field teams, as well as other college athletics programs, the San Francisco 49ers, the Oakland Raiders and Manchester United soccer club."

 

[Markfs]

it's not called the glove... its called the craw...

 

[Robroy22]

it's not called the glove... its called the craw...

"NOT THE CRAW??????"

 

[Markfs]

"NOT THE CRAW??????"

not craw......craw!

 

[1892]

US$995 a pop and more info here, http://www.avacore.com/buy-corecontrol

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CoreControl helps keep core body temperature within normal range for optimal muscular performance. If you stay cool, less blood is shunted to the skin for heat dissipation, making more blood available to service working muscles with delivery of oxygen and nutrients, and removal of metabolic byproducts.

20% is a huge claim, but it even if it doesn't deliver good on the club for looking at these things.

 

[Captivating]

Given we stopped with 5 minutes to go in the third, does it really work???

It's these type of games that you would expect to see some benefits, not MCG in July.

 

[Daicos_35]

From the sound of it I think the most benefit will be in recovery and should have more of an effect as the season goes on

 

[Black Prince]

No Glove No Love Brother !!!

 

[Pera]

the San Francisco 49ers, the Oakland Raiders and Manchester United soccer club."

All have had such resounding success the last few years.

 

[jimmy35]

Disappointed at lack of Mickey Gayfer

 

[Stifler's mom]

Where do we get these placebos?

 

[SnakePlisskin]

Wouldn't it work better if you stuck the main vein in there

 

[DWil6]

Given we stopped with 5 minutes to go in the third, does it really work???

It's these type of games that you would expect to see some benefits, not MCG in July.

We would have been screwed 5 minutes into the third without The Craw!


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[Rohan25]

I can't find the Stanford journal article just at the moment, but I can also reveal that in order to prevent fade outs such as we saw on the weekend, our players will now be intravenously injected at half time of each match with tears harvested from Christ on the cross. Early trials show a 30% improvement in stamina and performance levels.

(In all seriousness, I am happy to see the club looking into things like the craw.)

 

[Gone Critical]

I am a sceptic and when I see something that sounds to good to be true I am going to believe it is to good to be true. The science and things quoted in the attached article sound implausible . The idea that this glove could cause someone to be able to push their daily push up reps from 180 to 620 over six weeks is unbelievable. I work in operating suites most days of any week. No patients spend hours in recovery doing anything. Need more information about what went on there. Any hospital worth it's salt doesn't just allow a new treatment to be used in its recovery room without pretty extensive preclinical work ups and trial protocols, visits the hospitals medical ethics committee etc. medico legally you just don't go trying a new treatment without the above being done. No place more so than the USA. The claims of massive AVAs in the palm of our hands don't ring true. In exercise there will be peripheral vasodilation to help with cooling and a significantly greater part of our cardiac output will be directed to muscles etc. to think at that time, putting on the craw may direct up to 60% of out cardiac output to our palm is just rubbish to me

Another snake oil from the SDank school at work here

 

[PieNSauce]

If that thing was so effective in improving recovery then we must be incredibly unfit given the last quarter and a half!

 

[PepperFace]

Wouldn't it work better if you stuck the main vein in there

Actually did laugh out loud

 

[General Soreness]

I am a sceptic and when I see something that sounds to good to be true I am going to believe it is to good to be true. The science and things quoted in the attached article sound implausible . The idea that this glove could cause someone to be able to push their daily push up reps from 180 to 620 over six weeks is unbelievable. I work in operating suites most days of any week. No patients spend hours in recovery doing anything. Need more information about what went on there. Any hospital worth it's salt doesn't just allow a new treatment to be used in its recovery room without pretty extensive preclinical work ups and trial protocols, visits the hospitals medical ethics committee etc. medico legally you just don't go trying a new treatment without the above being done. No place more so than the USA. The claims of massive AVAs in the palm of our hands don't ring true. In exercise there will be peripheral vasodilation to help with cooling and a significantly greater part of our cardiac output will be directed to muscles etc. to think at that time, putting on the craw may direct up to 60% of out cardiac output to our palm is just rubbish to me

Another snake oil from the SDank school at work here

In their article in the Journal of Disruptive Science and Technology (http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/dst.2012.0004) they make it clear that the treatment they have been working on is concerned with environments with relatively high temperatures, conditions that you're probaby not going to find in hospital wards. At the end of their article you'll find their discussion on what sort of research needs to be done in order to apply their technology to other areas. Given that the article is about 3 years old, I'm sure they are well on their way to accumulating the data they need, and that the use of the glove here is a part of that ongoing research.

 

[unplugged]

Must have frozen Steele's hand so much that it snapped...

 

[76woodenspooners]

I am a sceptic and when I see something that sounds to good to be true I am going to believe it is to good to be true. The science and things quoted in the attached article sound implausible . The idea that this glove could cause someone to be able to push their daily push up reps from 180 to 620 over six weeks is unbelievable. I work in operating suites most days of any week. No patients spend hours in recovery doing anything. Need more information about what went on there. Any hospital worth it's salt doesn't just allow a new treatment to be used in its recovery room without pretty extensive preclinical work ups and trial protocols, visits the hospitals medical ethics committee etc. medico legally you just don't go trying a new treatment without the above being done. No place more so than the USA. The claims of massive AVAs in the palm of our hands don't ring true. In exercise there will be peripheral vasodilation to help with cooling and a significantly greater part of our cardiac output will be directed to muscles etc. to think at that time, putting on the craw may direct up to 60% of out cardiac output to our palm is just rubbish to me

Another snake oil from the SDank school at work here

Fair concerns.

The FDA do recognise it.

They've issued a federal regulation number for the technology (21CFR870.5900, see here) and classified it as a class II medical device.

The indications for use filed with the FDA are: "The Rapid Thermal Exchange System is designed to noninvasively lower or raise a patient’s temperature and/or maintain a desired patient temperature. This is accomplished with local application of negative pressure and heating/cooling to a distal appendage."

This company went down the 510(K) path for FDA approval (ie: they didn't invent it, they didn't do their own ethics / clinical trials, they just took a predicate device and were able to demonstrate substantial equivalence). Looks like there are a whole bunch of such devices on the market that do this job.

Just by-the-by, the FDA didn't look too closely at their application form because there are clear (innocent) mistakes in their filing.

I didn't dig back far enough, but it'd be a reasonable assumption that somebody back in history would have had to do a Pre Market Authorisation (PMA) and gone through the requisite ethics committee approval / human clinical clinical trials / etc. / etc to demonstrate safety and efficacy.

In conclusion?

It appears that the FDA have been satisfied that such technology is safe and effective at lowering (or raising) the body core temperature of human subjects.

However, I haven't been able to find any evidence to substantiate any secondary claims that lowering / raising the body core temperature improves athletic performance. You (or others, maybe Swooop or The Royal Sampler ) would know more about this.

 

[General Soreness]

Fair concerns.

The FDA do recognise it.

They've issued a federal regulation number for the technology (21CFR870.5900, see here) and classified it as a class II medical device.

The indications for use filed with the FDA are: "The Rapid Thermal Exchange System is designed to noninvasively lower or raise a patient’s temperature and/or maintain a desired patient temperature. This is accomplished with local application of negative pressure and heating/cooling to a distal appendage."

This company went down the 510(K) path for FDA approval (ie: they didn't invent it, they didn't do their own ethics / clinical trials, they just took a predicate device and were able to demonstrate substantial equivalence). Looks like there are a whole bunch of such devices on the market that do this job.

Just by-the-by, the FDA didn't look too closely at their application form because there are clear (innocent) mistakes in their filing.

I didn't dig back far enough, but it'd be a reasonable assumption that somebody back in history would have had to do a Pre Market Authorisation (PMA) and gone through the requisite ethics committee approval / human clinical clinical trials / etc. / etc to demonstrate safety and efficacy.

In conclusion?

It appears that the FDA have been satisfied that such technology is safe and effective at lowering (or raising) the body core temperature of human subjects.

However, I haven't been able to find any evidence to substantiate any secondary claims that lowering / raising the body core temperature improves athletic performance. You (or others, maybe Swooop or The Royal Sampler ) would know more about this.

Did you read http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/dst.2012.0004 ?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Did you read http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/dst.2012.0004 ?

I don't have the requisite knowledge to critically review it.

 

[General Soreness]

I don't have the requisite knowledge to critically review it.

You don't need much in the way of qualifications to get answers to the general questions you want. The first citation in the linked article has details on the secondary sources (this research has been going on for over a decade now), and the final two sections of the paper talk about the findings and limitations of the research as well as future directions.

 

[Black_boots]

If anyone is interested in the science behind the glove the players were wearing on the bench

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/august/cooling-glove-research-082912.html

"Equal to or substantially better than steroids … and it's not illegal."

"The researchers applied the cooling method to other types of exercise – bench press, running, cycling. In every case, rates of gain in recovery were dramatic, without any evidence of the body being damaged by overwork – hence the "better than steroids" claim. Versions of the glove have since been adopted by the Stanford football and track and field teams, as well as other college athletics programs, the San Francisco 49ers, the Oakland Raiders and Manchester United soccer club."

Yeah, they have been using them over the last month it so, I saw them at training and their pre-season match. You can get them in Australia at CoreControlAustralia.com.au. Apparantly they are starting to work with several codes in Australia now. The Germans used one for every player to win the world cup, before the game, halftime and for recovery. I am sure we will see more of them soon.

 

[pablo disco bar]

The only glove I know is micky gayfer