The Greens

[Gralin]

The issue "radicalised" him and his posting has continued to degenerate more and more ever since.

sky is on FTA in regional areas........

 

[Not Important]

To be fair, Grales has mentioned somewhere on these boards that the greens are not left enough for liking.

So not necessarily a Greens advocate.

not a member, just likes 'em lots.

many of their policies, climate matters in particular, are splendid it must be said. don't tell grales i said that.

 

[Gralin]

not a member, just likes 'em lots.

many of their policies, climate matters in particular, are splendid it must be said. don't tell grales i said that.

I don't mind if you like some of the greens policies, I like some of their policies too

it's their actions that are leaving a lot to be desired right now, and policies only matter if you then go out and live them which the greens are currently not doing

 

[Not Important]

I don't mind if you like some of the greens policies, I like some of their policies too

it's their actions that are leaving a lot to be desired right now, and policies only matter if you then go out and live them which the greens are currently not doing

okay, i'm telling adam on you.

*shush, but he's right

 

[Gralin]

okay, i'm telling adam on you.

*shush, but he's right

go ahead he's a massive part of the problem

 

[coach beard]

This is definitely a loss on the Greens part. You can’t carry on the way you did (MC-M), be so steadfast and adamant in your convictions and then crumble anyway.

I actually had a lot of respect for him in that he was passionate about very real issues that affect a lot of average Australians but IMO this test has been failed.

This shouldn't be all on Max, a first-term MP, it's the leadership that let him down IMHO. Can't see a repeat of what happened in Greensland last year unless something changes (it probably won't). It's a shame, because I like some of their policies.

 

[Gralin]

Well Adam this is why you shouldn't have folded last year on Labor's climate bill.

I look forward to you complaining about the HAFFs failures in 12 months like you also didn't shit the bed on that

 

[coach beard]

lol Adam what do you think she is going to say?

 

[Gralin]

Interesting proposal in Brisbane to deal with short stay rentals

Homes Not Hotels: Cracking down on Airbnb-style Short-Term Rental Accommodation

www.jonathansri.com

They've got some numbers in there around how many properties they believe are being used this way in Brisbane and ways at council level this issue could be dealt with

 

[Blue Arrow]

I haven't heard much out The Greens about The Voice.
Maybe they are showing restraint by not calling out this waste of money and how many houses 500 million could get us?
I bet they would be screeching if the Libs chucked 500 million down the crapper for some divisive vanity project though

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I haven't heard much out The Greens about The Voice.
Maybe they are showing restraint by not calling out this waste of money and how many houses 500 million could get us?

They agree with the general principle but not the way it's being done, as the believed a discussion of Truth and Treaty should have come first.

In a way they were between a rock and a hard place. A significant part of their membership and the Labor Party would have pilloried them for not supporting Yes. Another significant part of their membership would have rioted if they spent significant time and resources backing a Voice that can be ignored rather than pushing for Treaty and closing the gap. So they've adopted a sort of quiet yes position.

I bet they would be screeching if the Libs chucked 500 million down the crapper for some divisive vanity project though

Are you in favour of more action for Indigenous rights and closing the gap than what the Voice would bring?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

sky is on FTA in regional areas........

And free with Samsung TV if you have one of those smart tellies.

 

[Del203211]

Repulsive.

 

[Festerz]

And free with Samsung TV if you have one of those smart tellies.

Not so smart then is it?

 

[Festerz]

I haven't heard much out The Greens about The Voice.

The most I hear about the voice is on this forum from one particular shouty moderator which sort of typifies the Greens as a party imho.

As a political party they have done some good things on the edges but mostly a mob of low level insignificant political opportunists with, ironically, a focus on the political short term. Under the current and immediate past leaders have proven themselves largely incapable of understanding that real change comes from articulating a path to change and explaining why it matters rather than demanding it happen 'now'. Which I guess is what you would probably expect from a party that will never have the numbers to assume government.

Hoping the election of principled intelligent moderate independents at the last election of the likes of David Pocock and Monique Ryan leads to a more principled and capable third way in Australian politics.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Under the current and immediate past leaders have proven themselves largely incapable of understanding that real change comes from articulating a path to change and explaining why it matters rather than demanding it happen 'now'.

Do you have any examples of this theory of change working in practice? In addition, does that articulation and explanation ever get much of a platform in the Australian media?

Which I guess is what you would probably expect from a party that will never have the numbers to assume government.

Federally, sure, but they're already part of the government in the ACT. It's a possibility they will form part of the next Brisbane City Council government too, which has twice as big a budget and population size as Tasmania.

Hoping the election of principled intelligent moderate independents at the last election of the likes of David Pocock and Monique Ryan leads to a more principled and capable third way in Australian politics.

How do these two demonstrate principle and intelligence, in your opinion? Why is being moderate a virtue?

 

[Rob R]

The increase in tax on vacant homes isn't enough but it is a good step negotiated by the greens.

Vacant home tax to triple after three years as Greens secure changes

Treasurer Tim Pallas has agreed to concessions to secure support for his residential land tax changes, including a pilot scheme to crack down on empty homes.

www.theage.com.au

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[Gralin]

3 year grace period lol **** I hate this pretend shit

look we did something (something that won't do anything for years at best but probably never, but it sounds like we did something so yay us)

this is what politics in Australia is now

the appearance of progress while maintain the status quo for votes and it seems the greens have decided to play the game as well

 

[Gralin]

****ing lol



we're ****ed

 

[Rob R]

3 year grace period lol * I hate this pretend s**t

look we did something (something that won't do anything for years at best but probably never, but it sounds like we did something so yay us)

this is what politics in Australia is now

the appearance of progress while maintain the status quo for votes and it seems the greens have decided to play the game as well

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Should be two year grace period, 5%tax (20% tax for non citizens) and forced sale after five years.

I don't know if there is a definition of a vacant house but I hope it is something like vacant for more than 180 (or less) days a year.

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[Johnny Bananas]

the appearance of progress while maintain the status quo for votes and it seems the greens have decided to play the game as well

What's the alternative when the status quo is worse and Labor aren't going to do any better? Sadly everything requires either Labor or the Liberals to vote for it to get through parliament. At least the Greens are campaigning on a stronger vacancy tax in Brisbane.

 

[Gralin]

What's the alternative when the status quo is worse and Labor aren't going to do any better? Sadly everything requires either Labor or the Liberals to vote for it to get through parliament. At least the Greens are campaigning on a stronger vacancy tax in Brisbane.

Brisbane greens are the best greens

Under Brandt nationally though what we're seeing is holding out for something they can spin rather than sticking to their guns

This is worse because the appearance of doing good blocks you from actually doing good.

And every single time you cave for crumbs you show you're easily bought/pressured

They say the right things but at the end of the day they stuff all.

You cannot fix the system from inside it.

We need revolution at this point, it's not coming so we'll just slowly slide into the pit

 

[coach beard]

we're ****ed

Yup

 

[Del203211]

Adzy goes bang.

In saying that, wouldn’t taxing corporations just result in them passing on the cost to consumers?

 

[Carn The Berries]

Adzy goes bang.

In saying that, wouldn’t taxing corporations just result in them passing on the cost to consumers?

Stop the presses... Consumers want lower prices....