The Greens

[Freomaniac]

The greens all need to spend 4 years doing an economics degree. They know the problems with our economy but they dont know how to fix them cos they are all economically illiterate. If they did they would win elections very quickly cos we all know they arent beholden to lobby groups. Their heart is in the right spot. But its not enough.

So you agree with Sky News that the Greens are Bloodthirsty, dope smokin' war mongering Hippies?

Fair enough

 

[nut]

The greens all need to spend 4 years doing an economics degree. They know the problems with our economy but they dont know how to fix them cos they are all economically illiterate. If they did they would win elections very quickly cos we all know they arent beholden to lobby groups. Their heart is in the right spot. But its not enough.

I’d say the Greens economic policies align more with Nordic countries than any other Party in Aus….. more and more Australians are realising this.

 

[nut]

So where is this international far right political surge we are ment to be seeing?
Greens win by election in the UK….

 

[Chief]

So where is this international far right political surge we are ment to be seeing?
Greens win by election in the UK….

The far right Faragists still got 30% of the vote. Very worrying.

 

[Gralin]

So where is this international far right political surge we are ment to be seeing?
Greens win by election in the UK….

Starmer is still in power, this is hardly evidence that things are on the up

 

[nut]

The far right Faragists still got 30% of the vote. Very worrying.

Just Tori voters

 

[Chief]

Just Tori voters

I don't know who they are individually or as a group. But they are voting for a far right party.

 

[nut]

I don't know who they are individually or as a group. But they are voting for a far right party.

Labour lost 25% of its votes from the last election…. The greens gained 28%…. And less than half the voters voted…
This right wing momentum is made up… by the same people sponsoring them and who own the MSM.
It’s a bit like the RFC saying we are training the house down. But getting smashed on the park.

 

[Chief]

So the assumption is all Labor voters did this, all Tories did that. I don't know whether or not that's true. I haven't even looked at polling.

Whoever they are, the far right party got a big chunk of votes. If they are Tory voters, they are racist Tory voters, voting for the far right.

That's not good.

 

[nut]

So the assumption is all Labor voters did this, all Tories did that. I don't know whether or not that's true. I haven't even looked at polling.

Whoever they are, the far right party got a big chunk of votes. If they are Tory voters, they are racist Tory voters, voting for the far right.

That's not good.

I’d say around 25% of people in Aus are racist… it was probably higher 20 years ago… I’d say it’s the same in the UK.
We’ve had the MSM giving Pauline a voice on breakfast TV for decades now… it’s deliberate.

The rich want us to blame immigrants and poor people….. it didn’t work in Manchester… it didn’t work here last election.

 

[Freomaniac]

The far right Faragists still got 30% of the vote. Very worrying.

You are not one of those right wing persons that the Greens are a bunch of bloodthirsty, violent, dope smokin' warmongering hippies? LoL

 

[Chief]

You are not one of those right wing persons that the Greens are a bunch of bloodthirsty, violent, dope smokin' warmongering hippies? LoL

I don't quite understand the question.

 

[peetoo]

The far right Faragists still got 30% of the vote. Very worrying.

Shows an appetite to tactically vote in numbers on the enlightened side of politics

 

[Not Important]

the greens seem to be the only party that has a moral compass.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Where are the Greens at? They should be making hay in the current climate by capitalising on the ALP's uselessness and inability to do anything to address the many issues facing Australia but they are largely persona non grata. They need to find a way to cut through and engage the wider community as disenchantment with the major parties grows. On the Back to Back Barries podcast on the weekend they mentioned that half (I think it was) of Greens supporters polled didn't even know who Larissa Waters was!

 

[Chief]

Where are the Greens at? They should be making hay in the current climate by capitalising on the ALP's uselessness and inability to do anything to address the many issues facing Australia but they are largely persona non grata. They need to find a way to cut through and engage the wider community as disenchantment with the major parties grows. On the Back to Back Barries podcast on the weekend they mentioned that half (I think it was) of Greens supporters polled didn't even know who Larissa Waters was!

Even when PHON were on single % support, Pauline was invited on everything and asked for quotes about everything, while the better-performing Greens were ignored by the media.

 

[RedOrWhite]

I don't even see them on many podcasts or social media which is a concern. Except Dave Shoebridge on this podcast last week.



I'm spitballing, but from what I can tell it's either they're adopting a similar strategy to post 2019 Labor and looking to avoid getting attacked by MSM, or they're recalibrating behind the scenes. I suspect they're still recalibrating.

I think they have to diversify how they communicate with voters. Yes MSM is always gonna give more of a platform to PHON and the majors, but they really need to be doing more grassroots and organising via alternative means and stop blaming MSM as it's never gonna change and less people consume MSM anyway compared to 10 or 20 years ago.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Even when PHON were on single % support, Pauline was invited on everything and asked for quotes about everything, while the better-performing Greens were ignored by the media.

Sure, but they need to find a better way to cut through. They need to focus on social media because the traditional media is obviously not their friend.

 

[Chief]

Sure, but they need to find a better way to cut through. They need to focus on social media because the traditional media is obviously not their friend.

Yeah they need a leader with a lot more media presence - legacy or online. Look at the Greens in the UK. Booming on the back of a leader who is everywhere with a solid cost of living/tax the rich message.

 

[Kram]

Bandt had absolutely no trouble getting plenty of media attention.

I had to google who the new leader was.

 

[RedOrWhite]

Bandt was effective for a while but he, MCM and the Greens as a whole were perhaps too moany and obstructionist near the end. I don't think they were to the extent made out to be by Labor rusted ons, but many people I know who were open to voting for the Greens but ended up voting for Labor or independent felt they were. They were part collateral from the "we can't have Dutton there at all costs" views many people had.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Look at the Greens in the UK. Booming on the back of a leader who is everywhere with a solid cost of living/tax the rich message.

And cue the Turdoch press to go all in on their default "Watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside / The Greens should just stick to caring for the environment" tedium.

Still, it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that all that is wrong with the world boils down to the rich ripping off the poor. Maybe it's time for a party standing solely on a platform of circumscribing the power of the rich.

 

[RedOrWhite]

And cue to the Turdoch press to go all in on their default "Watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside / The Greens should just stick to caring for the environment" tedium.

Still, it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that it all that is wrong with the world boils down to the rich ripping off the poor. Maybe it's time for a party standing solely on a platform of circumscribing the power of the rich.

Agree mate. What form that comes in remains to be seen. It needs to be classed based and immune to corporate interests but how realistic that is I'm not sure.

Lots of Gen Z and Gen alpha people I know still care for identity politics first over purely economic politics. Some are waking up to the reality of structural economic inequality, and that the status quo including Labor have wrecked the environment as well, but it needs to speed up so we have a planet and some sort of hope of living a life beyond being permanent renters and rat racing to survive.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Agree mate. What form that comes in remains to be seen. It needs to be classed based and immune to corporate interests but how realistic that is I'm not sure.

Lots of Gen Z and Gen alpha people I know still care for identity politics first over purely economic politics. Some are waking up to the reality of structural economic inequality, and that the status quo including Labor have wrecked the environment as well, but it needs to speed up so we have a planet and some sort of hope of living a life beyond being permanent renters and rat racing to survive.

You put it far better than I could have.

 

[Chief]

Still, it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that it all that is wrong with the world boils down to the rich ripping off the poor. Maybe it's time for a party standing solely on a platform of circumscribing the power of the rich.

And the environmental wins come off the back of that. Tax the big housing estates and drop tax on more compact living with public transport.

Like, in some places in America they used to put train tracks out to potential development areas first, planning ahead. Here we play expensive catch up and people bleat about money spent on public transport.

Do it first, then build housing estates. Melbourne and Sydney should be absolutely slathered in trains and busses. Instead we hear non-stop pissing and moaning about rails developments.