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I'm not at all happy with Bailey dropping a man back today and practically putting us out of the game. Fevola is the only Carlton forward who was likely to smash his opponent and as it turned out Carroll was beating him one of one alot of the time. So why did Rivers and 3 midfielders flood back the whole game, stopping us from scoring and putting us out of the game. Our forward line for fair chunks of the game was Robbo who was only going ok (better than last few weeks) and Davey and Aussie, so how the hell were we going to score with 6 Carlton players minding them. Rivers has the ability to drop off Kreuzer and O'Hailpin and get in Fev's way anyway, besides him Bell, Whelan, Sylvia, Bartram and Frawley could compete with their opponents and wouldn't have got belted. The end result was no midfield pressure (yet alone forward pressure) so Carlton could just bomb it in and score enough to beat us, if we did clear it we had no where to go.

If he went with Robbo, Dunn, Neitz/resting ruckman in the goal square, Sylvia, Davey and Wonaeamirri we could have kicked a score, we didn't want a shoot out like Carlton V Essendon but a game where our midfielders could back the backline to compete and then move the ball forward and actually have someone to kick to would have been a whole lot more productive for the education of the 22 who were out there today, and a whole lot more entertaining for the supporters who bothered to go the G and watch this farce.

I'll stick with Bailey (and his much hyped game plan) and with some of our players but you have to envy Essendon at the moment who are giving it a bit of a go. I don't want us to get stuck at the bottom and seemingly going nowhere like Richmond of the past few years (I don't say that having a go at Richmond).

SOME RANDOM POINTS
Davey must be injured, if not then the fitness staff must be sacked, he comes off every 5 minutes looking wrecked.
If I see another playing running off the ground only to be told to stay on there is no one else wanting to come on I'll be filthy, bloody idiots can't even understand how to rotate players.
I can't believe how much I missed Brad Miller today, how sad. I also missed Simon Godfrey, he made the rest of the players look better by being that unskilled, and we could do with a tagger (wtf is with dropping men back in the backline but not picking up their midfielders).
Mark Jamar is pathetic.
Nathan Jones and Brent Moloney were better footballers in 2005 and Jones only played a few games that year.
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

I'm pissed off with Dean Bailey aswell, when I first saw this man I thought he would be a bloke that would put the fear of God into the players if they stepped out of line or weren't giving it there all. Not once this season have I seen him give anyone a spray for something.

I want the man to blast the players for the efforts they've been showing, it really pisses me off.
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

I also missed Miller today, would have been nice having him presenting from CHF.
 

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Re: Very dissapointed Dean

"I'm here to improve. I'm here to improve the football club and I'm here to improve players," Bailey said.

How are we improving when the club has gone backwards? How is that an improvement?
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

1 Loose man in defence!

More like 8 guys in defence, 4 in middle, 2 on the wings and 4 forwards for 95% of the game. Terrible strategy, you conceded the game before you even started, It worked ok at times but Fevola still kicked seven. Bad strategy by the dees made for a shocking game of footy cos the Blues with their new game plan do not want to cough it up when numbers are behind the footy so we were happy to sit and wait and chip it around all day. Boring as bat shit but apart from the last quarter when we fell asleep it worked.

I don't think the strategy was the sole problem, the skill level of the dees today rivaled us at our absolute worst, alot of the mistakes were made with little or no pressure on the ball carrier. Gotta bite the bullet and play all the youngsters, your in for a long year and I seriously feel your pain. Just got to stick with them through the tough times.
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

I actually think Bailey is the right man for the job myself

Its only the media (you know the ones that you can hardly hear at press conferences and never played the game) keep going on about the game plan

Dean,s game plan has nothing to do with the lack of success we are having so far

Turn overs and Bad decision making is a player problem

Football isnt a confusing game

Swampfox
 
Time to stop neita..

as much as i do love him and appreciate all he has done for the club it has got beyond time for the big fella. Lets remember him as a guy who led from the front and gave his all (not that he isnt now). Just think his heart is there but the body isnt right now. Give it up big fella, be selfish for once in your career and look after yourself.

Reminds me of a racehorse who has been flogged to death but the owners keep running it hoping it will get back to its best form of years gone by. It aint going to happen!! send him to the paddock and let him enjoy the rest of his life in peace!!
 
Re: Time to stop neita..

as much as i do love him and appreciate all he has done for the club it has got beyond time for the big fella. Lets remember him as a guy who led from the front and gave his all (not that he isnt now). Just think his heart is there but the body isnt right now. Give it up big fella, be selfish for once in your career and look after yourself.

Reminds me of a racehorse who has been flogged to death but the owners keep running it hoping it will get back to its best form of years gone by. It aint going to happen!! send him to the paddock and let him enjoy the rest of his life in peace!!
Seems like Neita has been a victim of a cruel and gratuitous pre-season gelding by the incoming Trainer.
 
Re: Time to stop neita..

Couldn't agree more. Its time for him to retire and move on. I have great memories of him, dont wont then tarnished by whats happening at the moment.
 
Re: Time to stop neita..

If he was used right, ie just in the goal square it may not have come to this but whatever he choses I am sure everyone will wish him all the best. We have suffered by not having a captain in the middle of the ground in many ways and I think, being captain, Neitz has always had the burden of doing more than a regular full forward to lift the team. Always putting the team first.
 

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I'm not at all happy with Bailey dropping a man back today and practically putting us out of the game. Fevola is the only Carlton forward who was likely to smash his opponent and as it turned out Carroll was beating him one of one alot of the time. So why did Rivers and 3 midfielders flood back the whole game, stopping us from scoring and putting us out of the game. Our forward line for fair chunks of the game was Robbo who was only going ok (better than last few weeks) and Davey and Aussie, so how the hell were we going to score with 6 Carlton players minding them. Rivers has the ability to drop off Kreuzer and O'Hailpin and get in Fev's way anyway, besides him Bell, Whelan, Sylvia, Bartram and Frawley could compete with their opponents and wouldn't have got belted. The end result was no midfield pressure (yet alone forward pressure) so Carlton could just bomb it in and score enough to beat us, if we did clear it we had no where to go.

If he went with Robbo, Dunn, Neitz/resting ruckman in the goal square, Sylvia, Davey and Wonaeamirri we could have kicked a score, we didn't want a shoot out like Carlton V Essendon but a game where our midfielders could back the backline to compete and then move the ball forward and actually have someone to kick to would have been a whole lot more productive for the education of the 22 who were out there today, and a whole lot more entertaining for the supporters who bothered to go the G and watch this farce.

I'll stick with Bailey (and his much hyped game plan) and with some of our players but you have to envy Essendon at the moment who are giving it a bit of a go. I don't want us to get stuck at the bottom and seemingly going nowhere like Richmond of the past few years (I don't say that having a go at Richmond).

SOME RANDOM POINTS
Davey must be injured, if not then the fitness staff must be sacked, he comes off every 5 minutes looking wrecked.
If I see another playing running off the ground only to be told to stay on there is no one else wanting to come on I'll be filthy, bloody idiots can't even understand how to rotate players.
I can't believe how much I missed Brad Miller today, how sad. I also missed Simon Godfrey, he made the rest of the players look better by being that unskilled, and we could do with a tagger (wtf is with dropping men back in the backline but not picking up their midfielders).
Mark Jamar is pathetic.
Nathan Jones and Brent Moloney were better footballers in 2005 and Jones only played a few games that year.

Jones first year was in 06 and was taken in the 05 draft???
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

Idiots on the demon board that know nothing.

Moloneys best year was 04. When Melbournes game plan was kick it long. Was the best footy we have played for 20 years. We were #1 at Round 18. Then we lost 5 in a row because Neitz broke is leg Round 19.

Jones started in 06 from round 17 I believe.
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

Idiots on the demon board that know nothing.

Moloneys best year was 04. When Melbournes game plan was kick it long. Was the best footy we have played for 20 years. We were #1 at Round 18. Then we lost 5 in a row because Neitz broke is leg Round 19.

Jones started in 06 from round 17 I believe.

You sound like a bloody Carlton supporter - why don't you take your unconstructive, negative, critical crap and go back from the smelly hole from which you came - are you actually a Demon supporter and if so how come you don't have us listed as your team? :thumbsd:
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

Idiots on the demon board that know nothing.

Moloneys best year was 04. When Melbournes game plan was kick it long. Was the best footy we have played for 20 years. We were #1 at Round 18. Then we lost 5 in a row because Neitz broke is leg Round 19.

Jones started in 06 from round 17 I believe.

Err, Moloney played for Geelong in 2004.
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

Our main problem isn't the game plan or even the dropping to many back into the defensive 50. Our whole problem is ball handling skills. We turn the ball over that much it's like Cartlon had 36 players on the ground at some times.

And also, in the 3rd quarter, every time Cartlon rebounding from their def 50 they had the whole GSS side of the ground free with only Carlton players. There was no, or little effort to man up for the whole day.

We don't have a forward line, we had Robbo, and even though he was marking the ball his conversion rate was shocking. As a forward he should be kicking many more goals.


We've had it this year. We need to get our younger players in to give them game experience and need to possibly get rid of those older blokes, that while they have been there for the club in the past, really don't contribute much at all to the game.

Sorry for that short rant.
 

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Re: Time to stop neita..

A farewell match on Queens Birthday would be great. Surely the boys will be up for that one.

Listening to Mark Robinson and Finey on SEN they make some good points:

1. Neitz is one to play through seering pain... for him to sit out the majority of yesterdays match was a sign that the neck pain could be serious...

2. Maybe the game is past him...

3. He struggles to bend over and with the poor delivery coming into the forward line that once it hits the ground he struggles...

4. He doesn't fit in the plans for the future...

From my point of view, if the neck injury is serious (in the mould of Nick Stevens) then one would think that would be it for the big man...

I like this point above... if the neck isnt too serious, hopefully he can come back, retire on the Wednesday leading up to the Queens Birthday weekend and you guys can smash Collingwood and put them right back into arrogant shells! :thumbsu:

although on the flip side we want them to win plenty this way they get high draft picks (we know no one wants to trade with them) and then they cant get Jonathon Brown! ;)
 
Re: Time to stop neita..

Listening to Mark Robinson and Finey on SEN they make some good points:

1. Neitz is one to play through seering pain... for him to sit out the majority of yesterdays match was a sign that the neck pain could be serious...

I agree with this statement 150%. I think it is obvious that this will/has to be Neitas last season. He is a champion of the club and it is quite depressing seeing him out there at the moment with the poor delivery to our forward line or having Neitz in the middle, giving that anytime one and one in the goalsquare you would feel quite safe putting your life savings on Neitz.
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

Sylvia in defence was not to our advantage.

I dis-agree. Apart from being beaten twice by Fisher one out I thought he was very good playing down back. Can hold his tackles, find the footy and dispose of it well by foot. He is strong overhead and has the pace off the mark to stick with the forwards and isn't afraid to run and carry. One of the best decisions Bailey has made all year.
 
Re: Very dissapointed Dean

I dis-agree. Apart from being beaten twice by Fisher one out I thought he was very good playing down back. Can hold his tackles, find the footy and dispose of it well by foot. He is strong overhead and has the pace off the mark to stick with the forwards and isn't afraid to run and carry. One of the best decisions Bailey has made all year.
You're right, at ground level he was ok I guess but in the air he was done for even when he started in a reasonable position against his opponent. I just think at his age (23 this year just hitting his straps as a midfielder) it isn't worth trying to reinvent him, defending in the air is something we are bad at and we do have enough ground players in defence I think. Given how bad we were going forward most of the day and near the end I thought he moved further up the ground and it helped us. Those attributes you talk of are all good but god knows we need them up forward. Just my thoughts anyway mate.
 
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