The Jamarra Thread

[davidgoes4wce]

Listened to the whole podcast:



Its clear Jamarra doesn't have a liking for the media, my thinking was the media affected the way of his life . Think analysts like: Kane Cornes, Riewoldt, Sam McClure, Caroline Wilson, Tom Morris......and to a lesser degree James Hird were the ones that affected him.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

It’s a very Australian thing to do I think. Everyone fakes that they care about mental health, give out a yellow cupcake on r u ok day but be a campaigner the rest of the year. It really is horrible.

In my personal life I’ve seen a few incidences where people will get bullied by people causing them to take their own life. Guess who are the ones pretending to grieve on Insta and other social media platforms? The people who contributed to it. It’s ****ing shit.

It's like the faux "empathy and compassion" that we are urged to show - but only to certain people.

 

[davidgoes4wce]

As a neutral watching from outside its sad when a player comes out and says he had suicidal thoughts. I dont know but I think it would be good for Jamarra to step away from social media for a while and stay away from it. Just feel that he may be the target of more media, more opposition supporters getting into him if he comes back. Whats the thinking behind things will get better than they were before?

Just seeing him get back on the footy field and doing what he loves - I think the whole comp just wants to see that happening.

My opinion if him has changed a fair bit after watching the podcast. I didnt know his situation. But one has to question, if it happened again, whats to suggest it could be a repeat? He mentions the death of one of his close ones and he decided not to rock up to training for that reason.

By all means the club would have allowed him time to get away for grief and all but I guess there are mechanisms in place to keep the trust between the two parties. It sounds to me there that Jamarra has picked his own time and place to do things at his own accord.

 

[Sentinel]

Just listened to the podcast. Much has already been mentioned here, but a key point that stood out to me was that Jamarra only realised/admitted that he was mentally struggling 30-40 days prior to the podcast being recorded. Since that time, he's made signficant strides in recovery including the health retreat and returning to the club.

Reaching that enlightenment was clearly a hugely significant turning point.

 

[RCAB]

It sounds to me there that Jamarra has picked his own time and place to do things at his own accord.

That's kind of the issue when someone is suffering generational and lived trauma, which then turns into severe mental health issues, you kind of don't want to follow social norms.

I dare say the problem many not be JUH but maybe it's society and the AFL? Why does a player have to rock up to every single training? Surely if he performs on GameDay that should be weighted heavily?

 

[davidgoes4wce]

That's kind of the issue when someone is suffering generational and lived trauma, which then turns into severe mental health issues, you kind of don't want to follow social norms.

I dare say the problem many not be JUH but maybe it's society and the AFL? Why does a player have to rock up to every single training? Surely if he performs on GameDay that should be weighted heavily?

That's kind of the issue when someone is suffering generational and lived trauma, which then turns into severe mental health issues, you kind of don't want to follow social norms.

I dare say the problem many not be JUH but maybe it's society and the AFL? Why does a player have to rock up to every single training? Surely if he performs on GameDay that should be weighted heavily?

How long is a piece of string?

If I were Jamarra, I would have rocked up the team management, mentioned a close one passed away, and let the team did with it. The club would have had a pathway for him to get back to playing whether it be 4 weeks, 12 weeks..........just little steps in order to get back onto the field.

I thought this was initially about the Rory Lobb incident , from what I heard he had trashed his place whilst his away, slowly turned into the death of a family member.

Matthew Lloyd another one of the analysts , mentions that the Bulldogs will try to prop up his value in the VFL before using him as trade bait. Matthew Lloyd in an excerpt I saw mentioned that he needs to see more from JUH , not just lifting weights and doing gym work. Thinks 4-5 weeks to get back into the rigours of a proper AFL season will be difficult.

I also think there JUH struggles to see the world of 'main stream ' media. I understand his childhood and upbringing was difficult..........I even think it would be better , whether it be from AFL House - Heard Laura Kane met with him, a simialr thing happened to Bailey Smith at Geelong this season. Need someone from Bulldogs management to give feedback in his social media accounts. There is the perception that the crowd JUH hangs around isn't the best influence for him as a person. Im not sure how much training and preparation players are given in todays world in relation to that area.

 

[Zim^zuM]

It's not just the media... It's your casual fan.

On my board, in the Hypothetical Trade thread, they've been piling on JUH despite not anything about it... But apparently everyone there is ITK. Particularly disappointing when the Hawthorn mods are the ones leading the charge.

Disgusting behaviour when the guy has told about his struggles with mental health. I don't know if it was faux grief when we heard the news about Selwood on our board, but many are showing no empathy for Jamarra, is it because he's indigenous? Our club has form.

As Foxman98 said, the reason is crap click bait journalism. Nothing to do with race. A negative Jamara article will generate more clicks than a positive one. Jamara trade speculation will generate more clicks than him wanting to stay.

 

[VitalDread]

like most sports media

It's all about the clicks

If Marra had taken his life, all those that talked crap would be saying how he was a bright light and a future star etc etc

 

[RCAB]

Makes you wonder where exactly the line is crossed from harmless speculation on an online football forum to defimation or assasination of character.

Mods should certainly be held to a higher standard, I know over here Mutt & Mofra run an incredibly tight ship, Mutt clipped me around the ears for posting an 'anti-MelbourneFC' thread when they started plummeting down the ladder, It was deleted (rightfully so) shortly after.

Maybe as a football public we should start holding eachother to better standards, specially us men, specially when it comes to mental health, I don't ever want to see another AFL player take their own life due to negative comments, depression and bullying that isn't shut down, NONE of us on here know what these blokes go through.

Maybe someone needs to have a chat to Chief about holding all BF staff to a higher account on here, god knows we have a warning before posting on the 'scandles and rumors' board for a reason.

I know for a fact (not all) certain players read Bigfooty. Certain journalists come here tralling for rumours, and that's how sometimes they get started.

There's no short end of bad actors in this industry, especially when there is so much coin on the line, but others (particularly players) take AFL too seriously. They'll sometimes start smear campaigns with impunity knowing it will destabilise a club or player.

But generally it's just people who have nothing better to do with their time then to spread unfound rumours online.

I can tell you MANY very questionable things about certain AFL players, including Superstars and HOFs, that would be on the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow if I spilled the tea, but I would never betray someone's trust like that.

 

[Mucat]

I wouldn't bother. I had a nice older lady (not sarcastic, she was lovely) behind me at yesterday's game i was chatting to and even she was against Jamarra coming back to the senior team because it just wasn't fair for the other players. Some people are going to be anti JUH not matter where he has come from and what he is doing to rectify it.

Whay not come back , and why she's agains it

 

[Mucat]

It's not just the media... It's your casual fan.

On my board, in the Hypothetical Trade thread, they've been piling on JUH despite not anything about it... But apparently everyone there is ITK. Particularly disappointing when the Hawthorn mods are the ones leading the charge.

Disgusting behaviour when the guy has told about his struggles with mental health. I don't know if it was faux grief when we heard the news about Selwood on our board, but many are showing no empathy for Jamarra, is it because he's indigenous? Our club has form.

I agree

 

[fred cook]

Whay not come back , and why she's agains it

If your physically injured and out of the AFL I think you would be welcome to come back and play footy But if you're mentally injured and out of the game for many weeks your not welcome back to the club by some people.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Just listened to the whole interview.

Jamarrah seems like a nice kid and has had a lot going on, but I still don’t think he quite understands the things you have to sacrifice to be an AFL player.

The media has treated him horribly, but he doesn’t sound like a guy who is gonna live the AFL lifestyle.

Hopefully I’m wrong.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I also wish he did the interview with someone other than those two. Mathieson can barley string a sentence together and Robinson just kept talking over him.

Obviously he felt comfortable around them, so it was that or nothing.

 

[Hobdog]

I also wish he did the interview with someone other than those two. Mathieson can barley string a sentence together and Robinson just kept talking over him.

Obviously he felt comfortable around them, so it was that or nothing.

Yep, that was the downside for me too. The one and only time I’ll be tuning into that show!

 

[Libbaaaa]

How about that scumbag journo asking Bevo what his response was to Jamarra saying he is ready to play and doesn't understand why the club isn't letting him. Correct me if I'm wrong but he never said that on the podcast?

 

[Golden_6]

How about that scumbag journo asking Bevo what his response was to Jamarra saying he is ready to play and doesn't understand why the club isn't letting him. Correct me if I'm wrong but he never said that on the podcast?

Jamarra didn’t directly say that but I do feel the implication was there. He stated on the podcast that now that he needed to tick off both the physical aspect and mental aspect in order to be able to play and he feels as though he’s now done that.

Keep in the mind that the podcast was recorded around a week before he returned to the club so it’s a few weeks old now. Despite the fact that he might ‘feel’ physically ready, I’m sure the club would have communicated the fact that he needed a solid training block both from a commitment point of view and a football fitness point of view before being considered for VFL selection.

He discussed the fact that he needs the concept of playing at the end of the week in order to maintain his desire or commitment to the training schedule.

 

[Bald]

Bevo was pretty quick to state he didn’t want a weekly questionnaire around Jamarra.

I may be way off base here but suspect there may have been a set back?

 

[theburst]

Bevo getting a little testy with the Jamarra questions....so with Bevo saying he's a 'long way off from VFL/AFL level' then up to Jamarra to prove him wrong...how bad does he want to play amongst 'the big crowds' as he said in the podcast.

 

[Hobdog]

How about that scumbag journo asking Bevo what his response was to Jamarra saying he is ready to play and doesn't understand why the club isn't letting him. Correct me if I'm wrong but he never said that on the podcast?

I was coming on to ask the exact same question you’ve just asked! I thought I was hearing things when the journo asked that. From my recollection he didn’t say that at all on the podcast.

 

[Morris Major]

Bevo was pretty quick to state he didn’t want a weekly questionnaire around Jamarra.

I may be way off base here but suspect there may have been a set back?

We're going into Round 16, so even if you completely dismiss the mental health element he is severely behind schedule when it comes to getting into the right shape to play AFL football.

I don't think there's any set back, it's just the reality of playing catch ups. I haven't seen the question if some moron really asked Bevo why he doesn't "let JUH play" then it's surely a wind up to get a rise out of Bev.

 

[Doggies7]

I was coming on to ask the exact same question you’ve just asked! I thought I was hearing things when the journo asked that. From my recollection he didn’t say that at all on the podcast.

He was more referring to earlier in the year that was the case that he was training (sporadically) after missing most of the pre-season but the club wasn't allowing him to play. Of course the journo twisted it to make it sound like he is currently saying he should be playing after training for a week, scumbags...

Bevo got very prickly when the Jamarra topic came up, still a lot of water to go under that bridge.

 

[Hobdog]

He was more referring to earlier in the year that was the case that he was training (sporadically) after missing most of the pre-season but the club wasn't allowing him to play. Of course the journo twisted it to make it sound like he is currently saying he should be playing after training for a week, scumbags...

Bevo got very prickly when the Jamarra topic came up, still a lot of water to go under that bridge.

He sure did. Anyone that asks a question from now on is just a fool. I think it’s also Bevo’s way of protecting the player by removing noise.

 

[Mojorisin]

He was more referring to earlier in the year that was the case that he was training (sporadically) after missing most of the pre-season but the club wasn't allowing him to play. Of course the journo twisted it to make it sound like he is currently saying he should be playing after training for a week, scumbags...

Bevo got very prickly when the Jamarra topic came up, still a lot of water to go under that bridge.

Suprised how out of context she took it. He said earlier in the year (before he realised he had an issue) he was training harder then he ever had and couldn't understand why he wasn't allowed to play.

I think Bev handled it very well. He answered all the questions last week about Jamarra openly. I completely agree there is no point having every conversation be Jamarra focused when it is meant to be a preview of the game ahead nor should it take poll position ahead of speaking about a huge milestone being played by a player who will go down in history as one of if not the best dogs players of all time.

Edit to add. There wouldn't be anything relevant to speak to on the matter anyway considering nothing will change week to week it's more a month to month situation.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

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