The Jamarra Thread

[maddog37]

Brisbane just signed Allen, they've got their man.

Pies still haven’t signed Elliot and Mihocek. Sorry for spelling

 

[my plums]

Nothing recent in terms of numbers changes though.

 

[Vinegar Mess]

I think the Jamarra situation ends the debate about changing player numbers. Seems like whenever we’ve done it, that player gets cursed. They either leave the club, fall off, or get a horrible injury (Flea). Can anyone think of a player upgrading their number in recent times that hasn’t turned sour?

Matty Boyd went okay after shifting from 42 to 5.

Then there’s Tom Campbell (45 > 15), Lewis Young (33 > 2), Marcus Adams (33 > 25), Nathan Hrovat (24 > 13). I’ll see myself out…

 

[Spiritof82]

And C Grant 29 - 3, S West 14 -7, R Smith 31 - 5.

Libba Snr 60 to 39
Rick Kennedy 54 to 8
Kolyniuk 59 to 2
Wynd 52 to 15

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

Libba Snr 60 to 39
Rick Kennedy 54 to 8
Kolyniuk 59 to 2
Wynd 52 to 15

T.i.t.s. Kennedy should have stayed at 54. Iconic number

 

[VitalDread]

Marra doesn’t wanna watch his Teammates in the vfl prelim?

He was watching his little brother in the morning play in a final

 

[Spiritof82]

T.i.t.s. Kennedy should have stayed at 54. Iconic number

Iconic for the year but **** was the only big name to wear it

54	Kennedy, Rick	1981	14
54	Darcy, Anthony	1993	12
54	Sampson, Glen	1980	6
54	Barham, Jamie	1982	1
54	Cullen, Mark	1986	1

 

[Bulldogs85]

It’s Paul Connors

 

[Vinegar Mess]

It’s Paul Connors

Wherein the soft-launch of AFL Trade Radio 2025 masquerades as a ‘news’ article (“Jamarra, Jamarra, redemption, Jamarra, red meat, something, something…”).

 

[Del203211]

It’s Paul Connors

That’s grim for mine

 

[scooter600x]

I read that as Conner’s saying, “yeah, he’s pretty f***** up, but wouldn’t it be awesome if he came good”

 

[MrChristo]

Most of those players at least have a winning mentality and a drive to be afl players. The narrative that Geelong would just let him coast along is ridiculous.

That's the conclusion that I keep coming back to...
...Even when he was going ok, there were too many moments when he looked like he didn't want to be out there.

Obviously, I don't know if it's a work-rate/effort thing, or that tiny (and that's all it takes) internal voice telling him that he'll get hurt, but his ratio of games played to half arsed efforts doesn't appear to be in the "determined AFL player" range to me.

Running around as a big kid having fun against other kids is one thing, and some people (no matter how they physically mature) will always see themselves as just that. Big kids.

It wouldn't surprise me if there is an (again tiny) element of fear (and therefore avoidance) involved in how this has all played out.

I doubt very much that he plays another AFL game.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

That's the conclusion that I keep coming back to...
...Even when he was going ok, there were too many moments when he looked like he didn't want to be out there.

Obviously, I don't know if it's a work-rate/effort thing, or that tiny (and that's all it takes) internal voice telling him that he'll get hurt, but his ratio of games played to half arsed efforts doesn't appear to be in the "determined AFL player" range to me.

Running around as a big kid having fun against other kids is one thing, and some people (no matter how they physically mature) will always see themselves as just that. Big kids.

It wouldn't surprise me if there is an (again tiny) element of fear (and therefore avoidance) involved in how this has all played out.

I doubt very much that he plays another AFL game.

People got abused for voicing those observations at the time. Now most have come to agree.

 

[maddog37]

Clearly Connors feels that playing for the Dogs is a net negative for his clients bottom line therefore his bottom line.

He is a soulless leech.

 

[lachy]

Very few players come back from significant off field issues and are part of a premiership team.

They may do ok or well themselves, ie Hogan but rarely are they significant contributors to the ultimate success of their team whether they stay or go.

JUH has missed a full season after missing practically a full season via Covid. That is 2 in 6 seasons and has shown little to suggest he has the desire put in the discipline required to be a professional footballer.

Clearly with Connors comments he is still not in the right place, yet there are people that think he can turn it around

 

[Freshwater]

People got abused for voicing those observations at the time. Now most have come to agree.

100%! You could clearly see it. Naughton would spring back to his feet, chase, harass and tackle. I remember non Bulldog friends trying to tell me that Jamarra had gone past Naughton and I’d say “are you just watching highlights or reading the newspaper statistics?” Obviously or at least hopefully, the coaches were seeing this too. There was always something not right or committed to his game. And if you critiqued that here, to some people it was from a nefarious motive. Yet we were all wishing we weren’t seeing what we were seeing.
Wasting this talent will haunt him for the rest of his life if he doesn’t make some sort of footy career out of himself. This is why Tom Boyd is such a success now. He was, against odds we didn’t know about at the time, able to achieve something tangible out of his career, he had some money and was able to leave on his own terms. If Jamarra finally wakes up in a few years and his career is almost burned and is scrambling to make something out of it and time runs out, he will be unfulfilled and haunted by this.

 

[Bald]

Very few players come back from significant off field issues and are part of a premiership team.

They may do ok or well themselves, ie Hogan but rarely are they significant contributors to the ultimate success of their team whether they stay or go.

JUH has missed a full season after missing practically a full season via Covid. That is 2 in 6 seasons and has shown little to suggest he has the desire put in the discipline required to be a professional footballer.

Clearly with Connors comments he is still not in the right place, yet there are people that think he can turn it around

I think he can, but that has more to do with the word "can" and less with the word "him", if that makes sense. Anybody can, but only few will.

With that in mind, I would imagine most people are more hopeful, than they are genuinely thinking he can.

 

[maddog37]

100%! You could clearly see it. Naughton would spring back to his feet, chase, harass and tackle. I remember non Bulldog friends trying to tell me that Jamarra had gone past Naughton and I’d say “are you just watching highlights or reading the newspaper statistics?” Obviously or at least hopefully, the coaches were seeing this too. There was always something not right or committed to his game. And if you critiqued that here, to some people it was from a nefarious motive. Yet we were all wishing we weren’t seeing what we were seeing.
Wasting this talent will haunt him for the rest of his life if he doesn’t make some sort of footy career out of himself. This is why Tom Boyd is such a success now. He was, against odds we didn’t know about at the time, able to achieve something tangible out of his career, he had some money and was able to leave on his own terms. If Jamarra finally wakes up in a few years and his career is almost burned and is scrambling to make something out of it and time runs out, he will be unfulfilled and haunted by this.

What is more, some games you could see he had a real desire to stay involved and contribute defensively. In those games he looked very much like a number one draft pick with limitless potential.

It only served to make the poor games somewhat jarring in comparison.

I had hoped it was just youth and the penny would drop over time but that certainly seems further than nearer now.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

People got abused for voicing those observations at the time. Now most have come to agree.

Not really, I think it was just that even a half-arsed Jamarra was (is?) an incredibly gifted instinctual forward who had the athleticism of a big but the eye for the goal nous of a small.

He was 8th and 4th across the league for total shots at goal in each of the last 2 years, in some cases being 8-10 years younger than the other players in the top 10. I keep going back to that stay because it shows what a good all-around (other than accurate goalkicking, but I digress) forward he was, and the reason that we seemed to struggle to truly understand how good he was was that he was exceptionally balanced as a forward, without any specific trait that stood out.

 

[ossie_21]

I read that as Conner’s saying, “yeah, he’s pretty f***** up, but wouldn’t it be awesome if he came good”

Also read it as hopefully someone else picks him up, as it won’t be at the Bulldogs

 

[bresker]

Admittedly his second efforts looked poor in comparison to Naughton and Darcy , but he is a 197cm kpf with a couple of preseasons. Have you watched the King brothers in action ? They couldn't chase down a steamroller

 

[Hobdog]

Also read it as hopefully someone else picks him up, as it won’t be at the Bulldogs

Same

 

[stefoid]

West Coast might be the best place for him - get him far, far away from his current rat pack.

 

[Thunderoad]

Admittedly his second efforts looked poor in comparison to Naughton and Darcy , but he a 197cm kpf with a couple of preseasons. Have you watched the King brothers in action ? They couldn't chase down a steamroller

It wasn't physical limitations that prevented JUH giving second and third efforts, it was attitude.

 

[TiAn_]

Admittedly his second efforts looked poor in comparison to Naughton and Darcy , but he a 197cm kpf with a couple of preseasons. Have you watched the King brothers in action ? They couldn't chase down a steamroller

Exactly, on this front he was much better than the Kings, Curnow and Larkey and on par with many of the other key forwards. He had 32 tackles to Naughton’s 20 last year.