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The Jamarra Thread

Will Jamarra ever play senior footy for the Bulldogs again?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 14.6%

  • No

    Votes: 228 72.2%

  • Unsure / Don't care

    Votes: 42 13.3%
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Cudi said:
He's taking the piss out of our club as much as anything else. Taking us for a ride, it’s so embarrasing.
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How is it embarrassing for the club? Embarrassing would be trying to rush him back to cover Darcy despite his issues. No one is associating his behaviour with the reputation of the club overall.
 
I would take NR over our mate JUH any day of the week.

One of the best players of his generation, elite professional and leader. I won’t bother citing his record as everyone here is already aware.

He was a toe poke and a bounce away from being a double premiership captain.

Everyone makes a mistake or two (including NR): it’s how you respond that counts.

And JUH’s response to date has been poor.
 
Why are people clinging to this being a mental health issue?

Since when is bad life choices automatically a result of mental health, the term as become so broad now that it’s used as a catch all for when ever some takes a stupid path in life and it’s at the point that it diminishes and devalues the term for those people that actually have mental health issues.

Now JUH has made choices of who he wants to spend his time with, he’s decided he doesn’t want to fulfil his employment obligations and would rather hit the gym or box with his mates then get on the piss or more and through his own words and requests has wanted to play. He basically wants to just rock up and play each week but not train.

Now in a few years time when he’s at best playing bush league (as that’s the only play that attitude flys) the moneys dried up, the parties over and these mates are gone cause he isn’t paying for everything any more. Then mental health issues will likely arise.

Right now he is making a mockery of mental health for those that actually suffer from it
 

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Photo thingy says more about JUH where he is at now and somewhat as a person.

All he’s doing is using his energy destroying bridges rather than building them

Every day that goes by his actions are making it harder for him IF he ever wants to come back to the game.

I have said this before every club is as informed about JUH as the Dogs are and no one will go near him.
 
Doggies_13 said:
Also the reason the photo would have been taken down would have been legal reasons, as stated by 9 news last night, they couldn’t show it due to legal reasons.
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Which makes me wonder…..is there a legal ploy in play to deregister him.

Targetted St Nick was probably ill-advised. The AFL love him. He may have ruffled some Private School AFL HQ hair with that post.
 
Doggies_13 said:
Why are people clinging to this being a mental health issue?

Since when is bad life choices automatically a result of mental health, the term as become so broad now that it’s used as a catch all for when ever some takes a stupid path in life and it’s at the point that it diminishes and devalues the term for those people that actually have mental health issues.

Now JUH has made choices of who he wants to spend his time with, he’s decided he doesn’t want to fulfil his employment obligations and would rather hit the gym or box with his mates then get on the piss or more and through his own words and requests has wanted to play. He basically wants to just rock up and play each week but not train.

Now in a few years time when he’s at best playing bush league (as that’s the only play that attitude flys) the moneys dried up, the parties over and these mates are gone cause he isn’t paying for everything any more. Then mental health issues will likely arise.

Right now he is making a mockery of mental health for those that actually suffer from it
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It can still be a mental health issue. His substance abuse could have started as an escape from something (not necessarily football) or way of coping and it's got hold of him. Mixing with the wrong crowd exacerbates it. If he likes or then find that he likes the thrill of the game then he's in all sorts.

Reliability as an employee has already been a casualty and this career is gone.

Not doing the same to his whole of life prospects is no doubt where the club and players support is. Some people can't be told at times in their lives. As a person, you hope he gets through it.

These stories exist in all walks.
 
BrisDog said:
Which makes me wonder…..is there a legal ploy in play to deregister him.

Targetted St Nick was probably ill-advised. The AFL love him. He may have ruffled some Private School AFL HQ hair with that post.
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Surely the AFL can’t expect us to pay this bloke $800k again next year. There has to be an end game where the payments stop?
 
Doggies_13 said:
Why are people clinging to this being a mental health issue?

Since when is bad life choices automatically a result of mental health, the term as become so broad now that it’s used as a catch all for when ever some takes a stupid path in life and it’s at the point that it diminishes and devalues the term for those people that actually have mental health issues.

Now JUH has made choices of who he wants to spend his time with, he’s decided he doesn’t want to fulfil his employment obligations and would rather hit the gym or box with his mates then get on the piss or more and through his own words and requests has wanted to play. He basically wants to just rock up and play each week but not train.

Now in a few years time when he’s at best playing bush league (as that’s the only play that attitude flys) the moneys dried up, the parties over and these mates are gone cause he isn’t paying for everything any more. Then mental health issues will likely arise.

Right now he is making a mockery of mental health for those that actually suffer from it
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That’s true and it happens often. Claims of mental health issues cause criticism to be dampened and people back off from making judgments. Others think that anyone behaving like this, damaging their career and relationships, must be suffering from some mental disorder, otherwise why would any sane person turn their back on all that money and a highly sought after career that so many would love to have?
 
I'm not sure the changing the photo issue lends towards the issue that Jamarra is 'not well'.

It's just a classic smartass attitude from someone who appears to be acting in an anti-authority way. All it does is show someone that is clearly incredibly immature. It reminds me of that 15 year old kid in class that would continue with certain behaviours to get a reaction out of the people around him, no matter how many punishments and consequences came with it.

Now there might be some actual mental health issues involved here but a lot of what he appears to be doing is relatively harmless for the normal 23 year old who likes to get on the piss and get up to mischief with his mates. The problem is that he's a professional athelete, paid upwards of $800k and has stopped turning up for the work. At the moment, given he's still paid in full means he's shielded from 'real' consequences.

My opinion is that Jamarra isn't cut out for the AFL system with his current maturity levels. He's better off accepting that fact and removing himself from the system. He still might come back in a couple of years a more mature person and able to handle himself better but the reality is that he clearly can't now.
 
Doggies_13 said:
Why are people clinging to this being a mental health issue?

Since when is bad life choices automatically a result of mental health, the term as become so broad now that it’s used as a catch all for when ever some takes a stupid path in life and it’s at the point that it diminishes and devalues the term for those people that actually have mental health issues.

Now JUH has made choices of who he wants to spend his time with, he’s decided he doesn’t want to fulfil his employment obligations and would rather hit the gym or box with his mates then get on the piss or more and through his own words and requests has wanted to play. He basically wants to just rock up and play each week but not train.

Now in a few years time when he’s at best playing bush league (as that’s the only play that attitude flys) the moneys dried up, the parties over and these mates are gone cause he isn’t paying for everything any more. Then mental health issues will likely arise.

Right now he is making a mockery of mental health for those that actually suffer from it
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Not automatic, but it's been shown repeatedly in research that substance abuse (as has been alleged) and poor mental health are usually closely aligned.
Generally people don't go off the rails for no reason.
 
Golden_6 said:
I'm not sure the changing the photo issue lends towards the issue that Jamarra is 'not well'.

It's just a classic smartass attitude from someone who appears to be acting in an anti-authority way. All it does is show someone that is clearly incredibly immature. It reminds me of that 15 year old kid in class that would continue with certain behaviours to get a reaction out of the people around him, no matter how many punishments and consequences came with it.

Now there might be some actual mental health issues involved here but a lot of what he appears to be doing is relatively harmless for the normal 23 year old who likes to get on the piss and get up to mischief with his mates. The problem is that he's a professional athelete, paid upwards of $800k and has stopped turning up for the work. At the moment, given he's still paid in full means he's shielded from 'real' consequences.

My opinion is that Jamarra isn't cut out for the AFL system with his current maturity levels. He's better off accepting that fact and removing himself from the system. He still might come back in a couple of years a more mature person and able to handle himself better but the reality is that he clearly can't now.
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The second part of your paragraph, means it's not exactly normal for a 23 year old though. Sure the average 23 year might be getting loose on the weekend, but they're still showing up to work in the week.
The behavior is clearly not logical or sensible - I don't think people behave this way while acting "normally".
 

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BEaston said:
The second part of your paragraph, means it's not exactly normal for a 23 year old though. Sure the average 23 year might be getting loose on the weekend, but they're still showing up to work in the week.
The behavior is clearly not logical or sensible - I don't think people behave this way while acting "normally".
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They are showing up to work because they need to earn money to enable whatever 'fun' they choose to engage in. A regular 23 year old who loves to party and socialise doesn't turn up to work because they want to, they do it because they have to.

Jamarra has found that he doesn't need to turn up to work and he still has the same outcome.
 
Golden_6 said:
I'm not sure the changing the photo issue lends towards the issue that Jamarra is 'not well'.

It's just a classic smartass attitude from someone who appears to be acting in an anti-authority way. All it does is show someone that is clearly incredibly immature. It reminds me of that 15 year old kid in class that would continue with certain behaviours to get a reaction out of the people around him, no matter how many punishments and consequences came with it.

Now there might be some actual mental health issues involved here but a lot of what he appears to be doing is relatively harmless for the normal 23 year old who likes to get on the piss and get up to mischief with his mates. The problem is that he's a professional athelete, paid upwards of $800k and has stopped turning up for the work. At the moment, given he's still paid in full means he's shielded from 'real' consequences.

My opinion is that Jamarra isn't cut out for the AFL system with his current maturity levels. He's better off accepting that fact and removing himself from the system. He still might come back in a couple of years a more mature person and able to handle himself better but the reality is that he clearly can't now.
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Glad he didn’t post Bevo nudes after being started on the bench in the final.
 
Golden_6 said:
I'm not sure the changing the photo issue lends towards the issue that Jamarra is 'not well'.

It's just a classic smartass attitude from someone who appears to be acting in an anti-authority way. All it does is show someone that is clearly incredibly immature. It reminds me of that 15 year old kid in class that would continue with certain behaviours to get a reaction out of the people around him, no matter how many punishments and consequences came with it.

Now there might be some actual mental health issues involved here but a lot of what he appears to be doing is relatively harmless for the normal 23 year old who likes to get on the piss and get up to mischief with his mates. The problem is that he's a professional athelete, paid upwards of $800k and has stopped turning up for the work. At the moment, given he's still paid in full means he's shielded from 'real' consequences.

My opinion is that Jamarra isn't cut out for the AFL system with his current maturity levels. He's better off accepting that fact and removing himself from the system. He still might come back in a couple of years a more mature person and able to handle himself better but the reality is that he clearly can't now.
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I’ve been pretty bewildered by the assumption that Marra will just be on another AFL list next year.
SEN were saying this morning that while Geelong haven’t publicly ruled him out, privately they have. One of the core issues seems to be his friendship circle — so the idea that moving him closer to that (like down the highway to the Cats) was always a bit flawed.
 
Golden_6 said:
They are showing up to work because they need to earn money to enable whatever 'fun' they choose to engage in. A regular 23 year old who loves to party and socialise doesn't turn up to work because they want to, they do it because they have to.

Jamarra has found that he doesn't need to turn up to work and he still has the same outcome.
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Which is obviously only for a short time, the way it's going.

I don't think most 23 year olds turn up to work because they want to really - regardless if their hobby is knitting or partying. It's more about long term thinking for their livelihood. Jamarra is obviously not thinking clearly.

A "normal" 23 yo AFL player who likes to get loose partying and socialising (probably most of the league) does not act this way, as it's obviously counter productive to being able to continue to do the things they enjoy in their spare time (ie party and socialise) for the long term. They just continue to work and party in their spare time like everyone else.

He is clearly not well.
 
Angak said:
I’ve been pretty bewildered by the assumption that Marra will just be on another AFL list next year.
SEN were saying this morning that while Geelong haven’t publicly ruled him out, privately they have. One of the core issues seems to be his friendship circle — so the idea that moving him closer to that (like down the highway to the Cats) was always a bit flawed.
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I think there is almost always at least one of the 18 clubs willing to take a punt on top level talent (Bennell, Hogan, Schache, Stringer, Laurence Angwin, Cousins, Fev etc).

I do think though that his spiral is becoming so public and obvious that even the most desperate club will want to see him get it back together for a year before taking a punt.
 

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Didn't realise there were so many psychiatrists on here who could diagnose someone's mental health via bigfooty and Instagram.

For instance , Marra's behaviour would fit with someone with a diagnosis of bipolar. Or he could be suffering from any condition. Or none. You have no idea.

As far as I'm aware the man himself hasn't played the mysterious "mental health card." We've been told he's suffered from some family issues .

Honestly this thread is a cesspit, despite Mutt's best efforts to delete the worst of it.
 
bresker said:
Didn't realise there were so many psychiatrists on here who could diagnose someone's mental health via bigfooty and Instagram.

For instance , Marra's behaviour would fit with someone with a diagnosis of bipolar. Or he could be suffering from any condition. Or none. You have no idea.

As far as I'm aware the man himself hasn't played the mysterious "mental health card." We've been told he's suffered from some family issues .

Honestly this thread is a cesspit, despite Mutt's best efforts to delete the worst of it.
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The issue is, he’s never come out and said he’s struggling with his mental health. And that’s not to say he doesn’t have mental health issues.

The only time Jamarra has spoken to the media, he has stated that he’s feeling the best he’s ever felt.

Compare that to Harry McKay, Clayton Oliver, Adam Treloar and Steven May as some examples who have been open and honest about their struggles.

Whether you like it or not, people on this forum financially back the football club and would like to hear from the man himself.
 
Yes. Clayton Oliver did that, and a good 70% of bigfooty posters said he was playing the mental health card to hide 3 strikes and drug issues. How many on here think Clayton Oliver should take 'personal responses ' for his issues ?
 
Golden_6 said:
I'm not sure the changing the photo issue lends towards the issue that Jamarra is 'not well'.

It's just a classic smartass attitude from someone who appears to be acting in an anti-authority way. All it does is show someone that is clearly incredibly immature. It reminds me of that 15 year old kid in class that would continue with certain behaviours to get a reaction out of the people around him, no matter how many punishments and consequences came with it.

Now there might be some actual mental health issues involved here but a lot of what he appears to be doing is relatively harmless for the normal 23 year old who likes to get on the piss and get up to mischief with his mates. The problem is that he's a professional athelete, paid upwards of $800k and has stopped turning up for the work. At the moment, given he's still paid in full means he's shielded from 'real' consequences.

My opinion is that Jamarra isn't cut out for the AFL system with his current maturity levels. He's better off accepting that fact and removing himself from the system. He still might come back in a couple of years a more mature person and able to handle himself better but the reality is that he clearly can't now.
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It’s pretty clear he isn’t cut out for it.

Before one of our Ballarat games a few years ago I saw him playing the pokies the night/morning before the game. He just makes bad decision after bad decision.

It’s all well and good if you wanna act like that and how he is, but you’re not staying on an AFL list.
 
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