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When it comes to cricket, as we have heard countless times, the Australian cricket team play the game hard and tough but apparently don't cross "the line"

Of course, other teams don't seem to have much of an idea where "the line" and seem to cop a lot of penalties and reprimands as a result.

So in a bid to be a bit clearer about where "the line" is, I thought I'd cite some examples from the Australian team and the associated penalties related to them so that it's a bit clearer for everyone else on how to stay within "the line" and not rack up sanctions:

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1) How to react to a DRS decision not going your way: Here's Ricky Ponting reacting to a DRS decision going against them:

Result: No punishment, no reprimand

2) Racism: When Glenn McGrath called Sanath Jayasuriya a black monkey as documented and published in this book stocked in the UNSW library:
http://searchfirst.library.unsw.edu...21129231660001731&fromSitemap=1&afterPDS=true
Result: No punishment, no reprimand

3) Sledging: McGrath vs Sarwan (McGrath the initiator):

Result: No punishment, no reprimand

4a) Blatant Cheating:
Justin Langer knocking off a bail and then appealing for a wicket:
Result: No punishment, no reprimand

4b) Blatant Cheating:
Brad Haddin knocking off the bails and claiming a bowled:

Result: No punishment, no reprimand

5) How to react when claiming a bump ball as a catch and it's not given out: courtesy of Michael Slater:

Initial result: warning
Subsequent result: six month suspended sentence "in retrospect" (what a crock)

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Hopefully it's a bit clearer where "the line" is from the above examples.

If not, there are a few more historical examples such as
*Lillee and Marsh betting and match fixing to lose the unloseable game (Headingly 1981) with no punishment, no reprimand
*Shane Warne and Mark Waugh accepting money from bookmakers and the ACB sweeping it under the carpet (apparently it's only the BCCI that's corrupt)
*Countless send offs by Warne, McGrath, Starc and co

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One of the issues for players from other teams is that because they don't know where "the line" is, they keep crossing it and building up demerit points. But as you can see from the exemplary Australians, the above should provide clear examples of not crossing "the line" and therefore not accumulating charges resulting in lengthier suspensions.

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And they say the rules are applied consistently. What a crock.
 
There is no such thing as a line, there are things you can do and things you can't do and this is fairly clearly defined by the ICC.

These cherry picked incidents mostly from at least 10 plus years ago are simply not relevant to current incidents.
 
Anything from this decade? Or involving any players that aren't retired?

Also pretty sure the system that KG got banned under is relatively new, which may explain why Rod Marsh didn't get suspended forty years ago. Maybe Ricky Ponting can get retroactive points banning him from several Tests if that will make you feel better.

Thread would be worthwhile if you actually read the rulebook (not sure if it is stocked in the UNSW library, but hopefully there are other sources that meet the standards of credibility) and pointed out where rules were inconsistently interpreted rather than just dumping "Things the Australian Cricket Team did that made me mad: 1981-2009" and claiming something is fishy.
 
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Mohammed shami has been accused of attempted murder by his wife. That would be setting a new off-field line.
 

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Australia have had plenty of dickheads that go too far when it comes to sledging etc. I'll never be a fan of all their behaviour, but I understand that players do slip up in the heat of the battle.

What I can't stand is this constant narrative that Australia are the only ones who do this shit. They aren't. And to be lectured about sledging and on-field behaviour by the likes of Jimmy ****ing Anderson of all people is insulting the intelligence of cricket lovers.
 
And to be lectured about sledging and on-field behaviour by the likes of Jimmy ******* Anderson of all people is insulting the intelligence of cricket lovers.

I mean, his nickname is 'The Lancashire Lip' FFS. It's not like he's never sledged and sledged often, and often "crossed the line" too.
 
*Shane Warne and Mark Waugh accepting money from bookmakers and the ACB sweeping it under the carpet (apparently it's only the BCCI that's corrupt)
The BCCI approach is much better for gaining the outcome you want, just threaten to boycott the tour if you don't get your own way. See Tendulkar ball tampering and Harbhajan's racism towards Andrew Symonds.

That said, I agree with you point in general. Australians act like campaigners on the field and then the opposition usually get pinged in retaliation and its wrong.
 
I don’t really know why but when I read that story I had ‘crazy paranoid wife’ in my mind
I think it's just the breadth of the accusations. Everything from physical and sexual abuse, to serial womanizing, to secretly having a second wife in Pakistan and match fixing.

Either she's going after him with everything that will stick or he really is a top tier scumbag.
 
There is no such thing as a line, there are things you can do and things you can't do and this is fairly clearly defined by the ICC.

These cherry picked incidents mostly from at least 10 plus years ago are simply not relevant to current incidents.

Anything from this decade? Or involving any players that aren't retired?

Also pretty sure the system that KG got banned under is relatively new, which may explain why Rod Marsh didn't get suspended forty years ago. Maybe Ricky Ponting can get retroactive points banning him from several Tests if that will make you feel better.

Thread would be worthwhile if you actually read the rulebook (not sure if it is stocked in the UNSW library, but hopefully there are other sources that meet the standards of credibility) and pointed out where rules were inconsistently interpreted rather than just dumping "Things the Australian Cricket Team did that made me mad: 1981-2009" and claiming something is fishy.

Is March 2018 recent enough for you chaps?
 

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Is March 2018 recent enough for you chaps?
So I take it that you can't point out how the rules were interpreted inconsistently then.

You claimed the Australians are able to break rules without accumulating demerit points, Smiths side ball tampering doesn't make that argument any less baseless, or the use of examples from prior to the current demerit point system being instituted to support it any less asinine.

Furthermore, while you might feel like the controversy gives you the greenlight to pat yourself on the back, the premise for this thread wasn't that the Australian side breaks the rules, it was that they are not penalized for breaking rules that other countries players are penalized for, so the fact Smith was banned for a Test for tampering when neither Du Plessis or Philander were means that, if anything, it goes against your point.
 
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So I take it that you can't point out how the rules were interpreted inconsistently then.

You claimed the Australians are able to break rules without accumulating demerit points, Smiths side ball tampering doesn't make that argument any less baseless, or the use of examples from prior to the current demerit point system being instituted to support it any less asinine.

Furthermore, while you might feel like the controversy gives you the greenlight to pat yourself on the back, the premise for this thread wasn't that the Australian side breaks the rules, it was that they are not penalized for breaking rules that other countries players are penalized for, so the fact Smith was banned for a Test for tampering when neither Du Plessis or Philander were means that, if anything, it goes against your point.

I know - I'm being a bit of shit-stirrer bumping this thread.

The turnover of the Rabada decision was a disgrace.
 
In cricket are dealing with a lot of different cultures who see certain offenses differently.

We think ball tampering is way more serious than other countries but others think sledging is really bad.

Biggest problem is the ICC have no power because we have one country in the BCCI who know they have everyone by the balls as everyone’s main meal ticket, so any attempt to instill consistent punishments is always thwarted
 

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