The Missing Pieces?

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LMAO @ Matt Dea being included in our best 22 and being talked up as possibly an answer to our defensive woe's.

Good luck to the kid... I really hope he makes it but hell, what's he played so far, 3 games? Been injured a bit too...
An ex basketballer IIR who switched to AFL late in relative terms.

Just goes to show our horrible depth (& explains Coburgs shitfull form) that we are looking to guys like Dea to be one of our saviours going forward.

Again, I'm not suggesting they are best 22. Just putting it out there for discussion after Hardwick made mention of them in the press lately as players he would have liked to have had available.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

LMAO @ Matt Dea being included in our best 22 and being talked up as possibly an answer to our defensive woe's.

Good luck to the kid... I really hope he makes it but hell, what's he played so far, 3 games? Been injured a bit too...
An ex basketballer IIR who switched to AFL late in relative terms.

Just goes to show our horrible depth (& explains Coburgs shitfull form) that we are looking to guys like Dea to be one of our saviours going forward.

Haha Roachy, I was so thinking the same thing, just didn't bother posting it.

I don't see Dea as being a player who will be an integral part of a rebuild. After a couple of years, if we can establish a solid 25, then introduce him as a depth player, I think he is more likely to flourish in that kind of environment.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

They would have provided relief for younger or under sized players who have shown real signs of tiring of late .
For mine I don't Connors is in our best 22 , whilst I was very impressed with Whites form in the early part of the season , in shut down roles !
I may be on my own on this, but Troy Taylor and Mitch Morton are the two we are missing badly IMO, their absence has meant Martin , Cotch and Foley have been required to play even more time forward . Which means players like Nahas , Edwards and even Grigg are spending more time in the midfield .
We actually don't have any mid sized players who are genuine forward yet can pinch hit in the middle ?
We are actually reasonable in the middle with our front liners in there but due to the lack of mid-sized options in our forward line , we need our mids to play to often forward !

 

[santa claws]

Admire Nahas for pulling his finger out this year and improving on what he dished up last year, but I just don't think he'll be around when we're seriously pushing for the finals. He is doing enough at the moment to warrant being selected but at his size he needs to be doing that every week to have some sort of value.

i think yopu miss the point with nahas. while i agree on size and consistency the real issue is how clean he is and his ability impact a n actual contest. for a player of his size he fumbles far to much and his disposal is ordinary.
yes nahas is in our best 22 or even top 10 atm but to me that is an indictment on where our list is at.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Until the second stringers and 3rd stringers can come in and be somewhat competitive we will continue to see arse rippings like the one just witnessed.

I believe its our 'elite' onballers that need to become more competitive.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

I believe its our 'elite' onballers that need to become more competitive.

Not to sure there is to much accuracy in that statement , when most people allude to the term elite players within the Richmond side , it's generally in reference to Lids , Cotchin and Martin .
All 3 would most likely be top 5 in the Jack Dyer at this stage of the season if not top 3 ?
Whereas I'd suggest players like Edwards , Jackson would struggle at moment to be top 10 ?

 

[CoggaRules]

Originally Posted by Rayzorwire
I believe its our 'elite' onballers that need to become more competitive.

Its not about the elite being competitive, they can do so much but it all boils down that they will have to dispose of it to a second stringer or 3rd stringer and thats where the shit hits the fan. Plays break down, wrong decisions are made and our "elite" or "potential elite" are left chasing shadows as the ball wizzes by them again.
Ore eternal problem has been that we cant maintain a consistent link up of play. We always have the wrong guy involved somewhere along the line that will make the **** up, be it an errant hand ball or a shithouse kick...and everyone in the chain, preceding that **** up is caught out of position and what happens? They chase and chase and run out of steam. If there were link ups without **** ups, then its no one is caught out of position, the opposition are chasing, they run out of steam and so on and so on...This is where i point the finger at players like Titch, who seem to want to reinvent the wheel when they have it and end up breaking the cart.

He will get it, players will leave their man to offer an option, and more often than not, the option he takes is the closest to him, who has attracted a couple of opposition players, they then outnumber us at the contest, get it out, and yep, loose men everywhere because we were running forward to create links.

The other super important skill we never seem to master or go close to learning is the draw. Its not a footy thing its a standard team ball sports thing. We never seem to have woken up on how to draw the player towards us, to be able to have the easiest of disposals, the lollipop handball over the top and off we go. We seem to be always in a hurry and run fast, when all that was needed was not to run fast. When you run fast your opponent who is defence side of you, doesnt have to chase, he just lets you get to him faster. Now who is developing this young team and do they ****ing understand how to create space? Because for the last decade or so the tigers are developing JS.

 

[NQTIGER]

Its not about the elite being competitive, they can do so much but it all boils down that they will have to dispose of it to a second stringer or 3rd stringer and thats where the shit hits the fan. Plays break down, wrong decisions are made and our "elite" or "potential elite" are left chasing shadows as the ball wizzes by them again.
Ore eternal problem has been that we cant maintain a consistent link up of play. We always have the wrong guy involved somewhere along the line that will make the **** up, be it an errant hand ball or a shithouse kick...and everyone in the chain, preceding that **** up is caught out of position and what happens? They chase and chase and run out of steam. If there were link ups without **** ups, then its no one is caught out of position, the opposition are chasing, they run out of steam and so on and so on...This is where i point the finger at players like Titch, who seem to want to reinvent the wheel when they have it and end up breaking the cart.

He will get it, players will leave their man to offer an option, and more often than not, the option he takes is the closest to him, who has attracted a couple of opposition players, they then outnumber us at the contest, get it out, and yep, loose men everywhere because we were running forward to create links.

The other super important skill we never seem to master or go close to learning is the draw. Its not a footy thing its a standard team ball sports thing. We never seem to have woken up on how to draw the player towards us, to be able to have the easiest of disposals, the lollipop handball over the top and off we go. We seem to be always in a hurry and run fast, when all that was needed was not to run fast. When you run fast your opponent who is defence side of you, doesnt have to chase, he just lets you get to him faster. Now who is developing this young team and do they ****ing understand how to create space? Because for the last decade or so the tigers are developing JS.

Why the Edit RT were there spelling mistakes?

 

[Rayzorwire]

Its not about the elite being competitive, they can do so much but it all boils down that they will have to dispose of it to a second stringer or 3rd stringer and thats where the shit hits the fan.

That's honestly what you saw last week, isn't it?

It wasn't Foley, Deledio, Cotchin and Martin (the 'elite') being not even remotely close to good enough in the centre square against Carlton, or them all using the ball poorly or buck-passing more often than not, it was all the fringe players' fault, again?

Face it, they were collectively very poor at best.

 

[aislegi]

That's honestly what you saw last week, isn't it?

It wasn't Foley, Deledio, Cotchin and Martin (the 'elite') being not even remotely close to good enough in the centre square against Carlton, or them all using the ball poorly or buck-passing more often than not, it was all the fringe players' fault, again?

Face it, they were collectively very poor at best.

It seems to be considered bad form to say that a particular player had a stinker (unless, of course, the player in question is delisted, in which case they can be bagged unmercifully). Hence, we always seem to have people running around saying that the player "wasn't the worst" - as though anything other than being the worst is completely alright.

I have had the view for some time that Foley is a long way short of the quality of midfielder we need and would happily see him moved on.

What we need to look at is the Richmond issue - the issue, and I believe it is fairly unique at this club, that we just have so many of these days where nobody turns up to play.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

That's honestly what you saw last week, isn't it?

It wasn't Foley, Deledio, Cotchin and Martin (the 'elite') being not even remotely close to good enough in the centre square against Carlton, or them all using the ball poorly or buck-passing more often than not, it was all the fringe players' fault, again?

Face it, they were collectively very poor at best.

They are also 4 players keeping Shane Tuck out of the side, fancy that .

 

[CoggaRules]

That's honestly what you saw last week, isn't it?

It wasn't Foley, Deledio, Cotchin and Martin (the 'elite') being not even remotely close to good enough in the centre square against Carlton, or them all using the ball poorly or buck-passing more often than not, it was all the fringe players' fault, again?

Face it, they were collectively very poor at best.

No what i saw last week is 0. That happens when your top shelf players, or A team have a bad one. Shit happens, players have bad days, our "elite" are predominantly young, young players tend to have form lapses.
Last week the stars aligned and to a man they all had games they would like to forget. The problem is that when that happens, we get beat by 100+, because it then shows up the gap, or should i call it the abyss, between our A team and the second and third tier players.
Players like Nahas etc should not be racking up the most touches. The % of errors is to high compared to the % of errors our "elite" make.

It has been the standard for the tigers for the last 2 decades, we cant seem to build a strong serviceable second and third tier group.
Why? Because we always seem to think that getting it 25+ times makes you are required player. So that keeps you in the team and we dont try anyone in your place. Read Hyde, Chaffey and co on that one.

The opposition know all to well who they have to watch from the tigers. They will always rely on the percentages and let players like Titch and Nahas etc get it, rather than Cotch, Lids & Martin.

I am not an advocate for stats, but there is an interesting stat that keeps popping out. If Cotch, Martin & Lids get it more than 25 times each, we tend to win...the end.

 

[aislegi]

I am not an advocate for stats, but there is an interesting stat that keeps popping out. If Cotch, Martin & Lids get it more than 25 times each, we tend to win...the end.

The trouble is, any team that lets them get that much of the football isn't going to be very good