Perth Stadium (Optus Stadium)

[McCrann]

Interested to know what you folks think about this question regarding the new Stadium.

Fremantle record Home crowds (1995-2016)
1. Fremantle v West Coast - Round 6, 2006 (42,213) - Subiaco.
..... (All Subiaco).
20. Fremantle v West Coast - Round 17, 2009 (39,536) - Subiaco.

How long until every Top 20 Crowd on Fremantle's record Home Crowds list is achieved at the new Stadium?

I'll go 2022.

Fremantle record Home & Away crowds (1995-2016)
1. Adelaide v Fremantle - Round 6, 2016 (47,423) - Adelaide Oval.
..... (Football Park, MCG, Adelaide Oval, Subiaco & Docklands).
20. Fremantle v West Coast - Round 3, 2005 (42,027) - Subiaco.

How long until every Top 20 Crowd on Fremantle's record Home & Away Crowds list is achieved at the new Stadium?

I'll go 2025.

West Coast record Home crowds (1987-2017)
1. West Coast v Fremantle - Round 1, 2006 (43,527) - Subiaco.
..... (All Subiaco).
20. West Coast v Fremantle - Round 6, 2017 (40,836) - Subiaco.

How long until every Top 20 Crowd on West Coast's record Home Crowds list is achieved at the new Stadium?

I'll go 2020.

West Coast record Home & Away crowds (1987-2016)
1. Collingwood v West Coast - Round 13, 2012 (62,957) - M.C.G.
..... (Stadium Australia, M.C.G., Adelaide Oval, Docklands, Football Park & Subiaco).
20. Adelaide v West Coast - Round 4, 2003 (43,525) - Football Park.

How long until every Top 20 Crowd on West Coast's record Home & Away Crowds list is achieved at either of the new Stadium, M.C.G. or Stadium Australia?

I'll go 2020.

Fremantle Crowds
http://afltables.com/afl/crowds/fremantle.html

West Coast Crowds.
http://afltables.com/afl/crowds/westcoast.html

 

[BartBart]

More for the stadium pic...

 

[RedV3x]

WAFL and AFLW use the same sized fields as AFL. We've just seen a whole AFLW season played on un-adjusted ovals; years and years of state footy too. Even Under 16s/Under 18s play on these venues.

There are no standard sizes for Australian Football grounds and WAFL grounds are longer than most grounds.
There is a tendency to use the MCG as the preferred model and that is 160m long and WAFL grounds are much longer.
The AFLW will tend to use second tier grounds which apart from the WAFL tend to be a little smaller than the MCG dimensions.

 

[Billy ray]

any word yet on whether the AFL or the Feds will chip in any money?

 

[Power Raid]

My wife works for the ATO and I remember a few years back she had to go to Perth to assist the rollout of a training package. The Northbridge office was where she worked for a week. She said Northbridge was like Perth's equivalent of North Adelaide.

I can't think of anywhere within a three kilometre walk of Adelaide's CBD where the type of activity or crime you've described would take place. Perhaps in the south or west parklands, but even then it's probably just the odd shady character lurking in the shadows you'd need to worry about.

No wonder they say Adelaide is boring.

Northbridge and north Adelaide are poles apart.

Northbridge is like hindley street. McIver to Claude brook station just to the east has ~10 brothels including a reach in hand job street side service for postal workers, 3 means shelters including a fresh out of jail stop, a bashed women's shelter and NASA (no not rocket ships but the Nungar alcohol and substance abuse association).

 

[Power Raid]

Ok, but that's not the case. There wasn't forward thinking. So forget about that, and deal with what we've got

The other alternative would have been to the west of the central train station. Where the perth arena was plonked or where the west Oz is printed as that land is available.

 

[hitthepost]

There are no standard sizes for Australian Football grounds and WAFL grounds are longer than most grounds.
There is a tendency to use the MCG as the preferred model and that is 160m long and WAFL grounds are much longer.
The AFLW will tend to use second tier grounds which apart from the WAFL tend to be a little smaller than the MCG dimensions.

The AFLW will tend to use second-tier grounds due to the cost of operating the major venues vs the crowd sizes etc. That has nothing to do with the dimensions. Otherwise there would never have been the consideration of playing the AFLW GF at Adelaide Oval if the Crows finished top. No AFL ground is going to be so big (not even in WA) that it's too big for AFLW, state leauge, or Under 16/18s.

 

[Kram]

Footy ground dimensions in WA at any level are generally massive compared to the eastern states.

 

[hitthepost]

Footy ground dimensions in WA at any level are generally massive compared to the eastern states.

To what extent though? 15-20m? According to http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-03-27/skinny-flat-meet-the-slimmed-down-adelaide-oval the MCG is only 2m shorter than Subiaco, but 26m narrower, meaning that the MCG actually has a greater surface. I dare say the smallest grounds at State League level and above are at minimum 150m and maximum 175m, nation-wide. They may tend to be longer in the west but not to the point that they bring the goals in for Under-18/womens matches I assume.

 

[Kram]

That's not right, pretty sure Subi is about 15m longer than the MCG. Yes way narrower though.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Northbridge and north Adelaide are poles apart.

Northbridge is like hindley street. McIver to Claude brook station just to the east has ~10 brothels including a reach in hand job street side service for postal workers, 3 means shelters including a fresh out of jail stop, a bashed women's shelter and NASA (no not rocket ships but the Nungar alcohol and substance abuse association).

Haha. She must have only gone there through the hours on 9-5. I think what she meant was that it's a kind of semi-CBD suburb; one which bridges the gap between the CBD proper and adjoining inner city suburbs.

It does sound like North Adelaide is a lot classier than Northbridge. I never feared for my life walking through it at 2.00am, nor did I notice any adult relaxation services, either. But, I wasn't looking too intently all the same.

 

[wal]

Subiaco is 175m, 15m longer than the MCG, nearly 10%.
19m narrower not 26.

 

[Power Raid]

Haha. She must have only gone there through the hours on 9-5. I think what she meant was that it's a kind of semi-CBD suburb; one which bridges the gap between the CBD proper and adjoining inner city suburbs.

It does sound like North Adelaide is a lot classier than Northbridge. I never feared for my life walking through it at 2.00am, nor did I notice any adult relaxation services, either. But, I wasn't looking too intently all the same.

Northbridge is a funny spot and changing fast.

Where the ATO is, is a quiet on the fringe cbd area during the day and Chinese food at night. The craziest thing on the street is probably a bubble tea place.

Perth wouldn't have an equivalent of North Adelaide. What a gorgeous little part of the world.

 

[RedV3x]

The AFLW will tend to use second-tier grounds due to the cost of operating the major venues vs the crowd sizes etc.

Totally agree.

That has nothing to do with the dimensions.

Never said it did.
By original remark was directed at the person who suggested AFLW would would be played at the new stadium and on a shortened ground.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Northbridge is a funny spot and changing fast.

Where the ATO is, is a quiet on the fringe cbd area during the day and Chinese food at night. The craziest thing on the street is probably a bubble tea place.

Perth wouldn't have an equivalent of North Adelaide. What a gorgeous little part of the world.

Mate, Adelaide is a gorgeous little part of the world. I'd live there again in a heartbeat. I'm still living in country S.A. currently, but will be moving to Canberra soon.

I've lived in Geelong, Sydney, Adelaide (and Port Augusta) and unless I could snag a house on the Surf Coast my pick would be Adelaide. Canberra is purely a career move for both myself and the wife.

Having digressed somewhat from the topic and my original post, I'd love to visit Perth as I've heard a lot of great things about it. The new stadium would be great to see a game at, which was always the plan.

 

[La Dolce Vita]

The same distance, but there's a river in the way. Where Subiaco had many directional options when leaving, Burswood has few. Public transport and bike facilities galore does seem very unlike anything Perth has offered before. Providing places to lock up your bike at the stadium doesn't mean there are cycle paths to get you there from any location, 600 for a 60,000 stadium means the vast majority are arriving by other means, and considering it's a winter sport, a long ride in the rain to and from seems to me like a good reason not to go at all. I'll believe the public transport when I see it, as all my dealings with it in the past have been rubbish and I simply don't have enough time in my day for the odyssy that is public transport here.

Also, a casual stroll from East Perth is okay for the average person, but for the elderly West Coast brigade, it could be a challenge. I hope the bridge won't be choked with mobility scooters on game day, and some thought has been given as to where all these vehicles will be stored for the games duration. Hogging the bike racks would seem a potential problem, due to either Mr Magoo eyesight or the feeling of entitlement common amongst that supporter group.

yep the states full of salty freo 'fans'

 

[Kram]

yep the states full of salty freo 'fans'

You are obsessed with Freo

 

[La Dolce Vita]

You are obsessed with Freo

lol irony

 

[RedV3x]

To what extent though? 15-20m? .

YES. MCG is 160m long, generally considered a large stadium over east. Subiaco is 170m, Leederville is 180m. East Fremantle is the longest oval in the WAFL so it's >180m. Having umpired at most WAFL grounds I can say that they are all large. A junior ground in WA holds the record at 190m.

 

[hitthepost]

YES. MCG is 160m long, generally considered a large stadium over east. Subiaco is 170m, Leederville is 180m. East Fremantle is the longest oval in the WAFL so it's >180m. Having umpired at most WAFL grounds I can say that they are all large. A junior ground in WA holds the record at 190m.

OK now that all the facts are at hand and not just thrown about, I see that there are long grounds in the West. However PS won't be one of them, given it will be 10m SHORTER than Subiaco. Thus there will be no need for shortening the ground for AFLW or WAFL - not that this was going to happen anyway (especially given examples have been given of WAFL grounds longer than Subi!).

 

[seanoff]

YES. MCG is 160m long, generally considered a large stadium over east. Subiaco is 170m, Leederville is 180m. East Fremantle is the longest oval in the WAFL so it's >180m. Having umpired at most WAFL grounds I can say that they are all large. A junior ground in WA holds the record at 190m.

The MCG is considered large not because of the length but the width. Its close to 20m wider than subi.

The MCG is 160 x 141. Subi 175.6 x 122.4 Kardinia Park is 170 x 115.

If you calc the area of the ellipse the MCG is larger than Subi.

Both are much smaller than Launceston which a vast 175 x 145 and Manuka which is bigger again at 179 x 150.

Areas in descending order. Manuka 21206m2. MCG 17718m2. Subi 16823m2. Kardinia Park 15354m2

This why you need to tweak game plans for different venues. What works at subi may not work at the MCG but will be more suited to Kardinia park. Throw it all out in Canberra, get wide there, its a long long long way home.

 

[wadistance]

The MCG is considered large not because of the length but the width. Its close to 20m wider than subi.

The MCG is 160 x 141. Subi 175.6 x 122.4 Kardinia Park is 170 x 115.

If you calc the area of the ellipse the MCG is larger than Subi.

Both are much smaller than Launceston which a vast 175 x 145 and Manuka which is bigger again at 179 x 150.

Areas in descending order. Manuka 21206m2. MCG 17718m2. Subi 16823m2. Kardinia Park 15354m2

This why you need to tweak game plans for different venues. What works at subi may not work at the MCG but will be more suited to Kardinia park. Throw it all out in Canberra, get wide there, its a long long long way home.

is that the size from the fence or the boundary line?

 

[hitthepost]

is that the size from the fence or the boundary line?

For consistency, I've measured off Google Earth. May not be as accurate but at least I know it's all fence-to-fence. In general there's about 5m behind the goals and 3m around the boundary.

MCG 174 x 144
Subiaco 191 x 131
East Fremantle 203 x 137 (however the GE image shows the goals are only 175m apart, there's room for an Auskick game behind each goal)
Adelaide Oval 179 x 130
Kardinia Park 180 x 128
York Park 172 x 143
Manuka 171 x 144

 

[RedV3x]

For consistency, I've measured off Google Earth. May not be as accurate but at least I know it's all fence-to-fence. In general there's about 5m behind the goals and 3m around the boundary.

MCG 174 x 144
Subiaco 191 x 131
East Fremantle 203 x 137 (however the GE image shows the goals are only 175m apart, there's room for an Auskick game behind each goal)
Adelaide Oval 179 x 130
Kardinia Park 180 x 128
York Park 172 x 143
Manuka 171 x 144

MCG is quoted as 160m and Subiaco is quoted as 170m.
East Fremantle president said Shark Park is/was the longest ground but they have brought the goals in for better shape at around 175m.
Joondalup and South Fremantle ovals are 170m.
Claremont oval is 175m.
The dimesions for Perth Oval and the WACA (football) are gone but they weren't small.
The WAFL has a league of large grounds unlike anywhere else in Australia and it's
the length of a ground in most football that matters.

 

[wal]

MCG is quoted as 160m and Subiaco is quoted as 170m.

Subiaco:

AFL playing surface:

• Length: 175 m
• Width: 122 m

Fence to fence

• Length: 191 m
• Width: 132 m