The off topic thread 4.0

[SM]

If money didn't matter we would have the same number of ICU beds as there are people in the population.. "just in case".

 

[jd2010]

First round of sackings at my work have begun.

Unnecessary when they could have been stood down for 3 months and given the option to resign if somehow they found something else. I guess the bottom line will look a bit better not having to pay them out the week's annual leave they'd accumulate during a stand down

Whole office onto PT effective next week. 40% cuts for all. Better than 100%

 

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[https://ama.com.au/ausmed/sick-will-pay-heavy-price-govt-cuts#.VuDolftn4u0.twitter]

The AMA’s annual Public Hospital Report Card, released earlier this year, showed that hospital performance is already beginning to suffer as the flow of Commonwealth funds slows.

In emergency departments, the proportion of urgent Category 3 patients seen within the clinically recommended 30 minutes fell back to 68 per cent in 2014-15 – a two percentage point decline from the previous year, ending four years of unbroken improvement.

Meanwhile, improvements in elective surgery waiting times have stalled – the median delay in 2014-15 was 35 days, six days longer than a decade earlier.
Professor Owler said there was a real human cost to be paid for such a deterioration in performance.

“For a patient requiring urgent attention for abdominal pain, this could mean they are seen one to two hours after they present to the ED,” he said. “Their symptoms could be consistent with indigestion, or could be a perforated bowel. The quicker a doctor can see them and make a diagnosis, then the quicker they can receive relief from their pain, and their condition can be prevented from deteriorating, potentially to a very serious situation.”

In the Budget, the Coalition announced it would renege on hospital funding guarantees to the states, saving $1.8 billion over four years, while a further $57 billion would be would be saved by 2024-25 by downgrading the indexation of Commonwealth hospital funding to inflation plus population growth.

Increasing the squeeze, the Independent Hospital Pricing Authority has set the National Efficient Price – which determines how much the Commonwealth pays for hospital services – at 1.8 per cent lower than the amount that was set last year, locking in hospital underfunding.

 

[Ahsog]

This perfectly highlights how important it is for individuals to comply with physical distancing guidelines, which sadly some people still can’t quite get their head around.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Would be interested to get Bojan KantKick take on this as I know he’s a staunch capitalist...

More of a realist than a capitalist. Provide an example of socialism producing a better outcome than we have currently and I am all ears. You won't. A utopian ideal that has never worked.

Sure, the wealth extremes at both ends of the capitalist spectrum are disgusting and something should probably be done. Tweaking capitalism is different to the alternative spruiked by comrade Corbyn. I.e full blown socialism.

There is merit in a few socialist principles being sprinkled in though. The NHS is a good example of that. The UK government have put measures in place to save people's jobs and businesses. This is not going to result in a long term move from capitalism to socialism.

 

[moomba]

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This perfectly highlights how important it is for individuals to comply with physical distancing guidelines, which sadly some people still can’t quite get their head around.

It's ridiculous really. I had to speak to a work colleague on Monday who is in self isolation as his girlfriend was suffering flu symptoms (his girlfriend is an employee as well otherwise we wouldn't have known).

He wanted to come in for his shift this weekend and I had to explain to him that he couldn't as his 14 days self isolation wouldn't have ended.

I thought I'd finally got through to him, and that he had accepted the situation.

Then the bellend asked if he could come in this week for overtime to make up the hours he was going to lose.

Another bloke casually informed us that his mother (who he lives with) had been in self isolation since last Friday. This was in Monday and the bloke is a security guard responsible for personal searches of up to 150 people a day.

He was surprised when he got told to leave and not come back for two weeks.

People like that make things difficult.

 

[jd2010]

Whole office onto PT effective next week. 40% cuts for all. Better than 100%

Small select group have been selected to stay full time which I've thankfully been part of

 

[Ahsog]

It's ridiculous really. I had to speak to a work colleague on Monday who is in self isolation as his girlfriend was suffering flu symptoms (his girlfriend is an employee as well otherwise we wouldn't have known).

He wanted to come in for his shift this weekend and I had to explain to him that he couldn't as his 14 days self isolation wouldn't have ended.

I thought I'd finally got through to him, and that he had accepted the situation.

Then the bellend asked if he could come in this week for overtime to make up the hours he was going to lose.

Another bloke casually informed us that his mother (who he lives with) had been in self isolation since last Friday. This was in Monday and the bloke is a security guard responsible for personal searches of up to 150 people a day.

He was surprised when he got told to leave and not come back for two weeks.

People like that make things difficult.

My mate borrowed a company car while the guy who usually drove it went overseas for the Chinese New Year. When he got back, he was told to self-isolate for 14 days. After four days, he was calling my mate while we were watching the UFC one Sunday arvo asking if he could come around to his house to pick up the car. To no surprise, my mate denied him and alerted the company he worked for. I remember how filthy we were at the time and this was early days.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[WealstoneRaider]

We’ve just bought 3 million testing kits. That’s good news. Apparently bought them off China. Those campaigners should be giving them out for free though

 

[Fwoy]

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I see some kid who licked a public toilet seat that also went viral is also in hospital now. Some absolute prize plums out there. Apparently there’s some Coronavirus challenge going round that these idiots are partaking in

 

[Zidane98]

We’ve just bought 3 million testing kits. That’s good news. Apparently bought them off China. Those campaigners should be giving them out for free though

Especially as it appears they have mostly defeated the virus:

China to lift travel restrictions in Hubei after months of coronavirus lockdown

Millions will be able to move around the region after weeks of stringent measures to stem the spread of Covid-19

www.theguardian.com

Of course they had stringent lockdown measures enforced by military with severe penalties for non compliance. Just shows how quickly the virus can be slowed, especially considering this all happened in the middle of winter and the population density of Hubei.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Especially as it appears they have mostly defeated the virus:

China to lift travel restrictions in Hubei after months of coronavirus lockdown

Millions will be able to move around the region after weeks of stringent measures to stem the spread of Covid-19

www.theguardian.com

Of course they had stringent lockdown measures enforced by military with severe penalties for non compliance. Just shows how quickly the virus can be slowed, especially considering this all happened in the middle of winter and the population density of Hubei.

It's been 5-6 months mate. Hardly quick.

 

[jd2010]

It's been 5-6 months mate. Hardly quick.

They went into lockdown mid to late January didnt they?

 

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China are full of shit. I'm taking everything they say with a huge grain of salt.

 

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[RPCB]

I see some kid who licked a public toilet seat that also went viral is also in hospital now. Some absolute prize plums out there. Apparently there’s some Coronavirus challenge going round that these idiots are partaking in

Yuck. No words why you would even do something so gross.

That is one guy who won’t be telling anyone in jail his surname.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

They went into lockdown mid to late January didnt they?

The crisis started there in October/November, if not earlier, and they are lying arseholes.

 

[Zidane98]

China are full of shit. I'm taking everything they say with a huge grain of salt.

Yes, everything China says must be taken with a pinch of salt. Quarantine ending, travel restrictions lifted and coronavirus hospital closing does mean something though.

What I find disturbing is the stories about the doctors who tried to sound the alarm bells in late December about a possible pandemic and were silenced. Had they been listened to and travel in / our of China shut down for a couple of months could have possibly seen the effects of a worldwide pandemic reduced significantly.

 

[jd2010]

The crisis started there in October/November, if not earlier, and they are lying arseholes.

Started then and ignored for months. But the shutdown wasn't until they were exposed and the world knew about it in mid to late Jan

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

China are full of shit. I'm taking everything they say with a huge grain of salt.

Yeah, China can't be trusted at all. What is promising though is that Korea have flattened the curve without completely locking down. Obviously they had far more rigorous testing and have a more complient population but it can be done.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Redirect Notice

Old news but, haha, Dick Pound.

 

[Cruyff14]

 

[Zidane98]

Yeah, China can't be trusted at all. What is promising though is that Korea have flattened the curve without completely locking down. Obviously they had far more rigorous testing and have a more complient population but it can be done.

Taiwan is the best example. They started isolation immediately in January for arrivals from mainland China. 135 cases only and dropping. They also retested negative cases that were displaying symptoms of corona. They had all of this in place from SARS which severely affected them.