The Official Week 13 'Small Sample Size' Thread

[stewie griffen]

 

[Drummer_19]

There's a difference between taking a charge & tunnelling (or "sliding under" as you called it earlier)... And guess what? The rules of the game differentiate between the 2 as well.

I mean they brought the restricted area in for the reason I'm talking about, because guys were planting themselves too close to the bucket and endangering the guys with the ball. The difference between a legal charge and undercutting someone is extremely marginal and negliable most of the time, it's pretty rare there's a guy who's set for anything more than half a second before a collision happens where it's some egregious fault of the guy trying to make a positive play with the ball. I got no problems with guys who are the primary defender staying in front of a guy and drawing them, I just don't like the rule the way it is and how it promotes guys to instead of contesting shots as the help defender to instead jump there a split second before a guy gets there, plant their feet and get run over. Even just from an entertainment standpoint I'd much rather see a guy trying to score over another guy then seeing someone getting bowled over and rewarded.

I'd like to see the restricted area brought out further if you're going to have it. Would just prefer no charges from help defenders inside the paint tho.

It's well within the rules and guys are going to keep on doing it so I prob should just let it go.

 

[stewie griffen]

Meanwhile

 

[Drummer_19]

I mean would you rather see stuff like this...

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/9466...p4?versionId=iAiQsyxoRl60YSAERZuT0DMyNI_j9H4y

or this...


Here's one in a crucial spot from the Sixers 1st game of the season that went to a review that was upheld as a charge, a guy who's picked up his dribble and in his gather while another guy comes and jumps in front of him and hold his balls while he gets run over


And here's one from Ilyasova yesterday where he just jumps in front of Lillard after he's picked up his gather and is going up

https://3ball.io/plays/lillard charge?playId=0021600641_539

It's garbage and shouldn't be a thing.

 

[Son of Skeletor]

I mean would you rather see stuff like this...

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/9466...p4?versionId=iAiQsyxoRl60YSAERZuT0DMyNI_j9H4y

or this...


Here's one in a crucial spot from the Sixers 1st game of the season that went to a review that was upheld as a charge, a guy who's picked up his dribble and in his gather while another guy comes and jumps in front of him and hold his balls while he gets run over


And here's one from Ilyasova yesterday where he just jumps in front of Lillard after he's picked up his gather and is going up

https://3ball.io/plays/lillard charge?playId=0021600641_539

It's garbage and shouldn't be a thing.

But on the other hand, Derek Fisher has five rings...

 

[Drummer_19]

But on the other hand, Derek Fisher has five rings...

 

[DaveyBoy123]

I mean would you rather see stuff like this...

It's garbage and shouldn't be a thing.

Sorry, I can only see 1 of the 4 vids (the Durant one), so can't comment on them individually... It's definitely an interesting viewpoint you have. Obviously, I disagree with it. It would need a fairly major revamp of the rules to satisfy you.

Actually, are there stats on charges? I ask, as I don't reckon my Spurs are called for them a lot. I wonder if it's because they're often making that extra pass instead of trying the hero posterising dunk!? LMA was open for a reason late in OT when David Lee found him. Food for thought.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

 

[Damon_3388]

Hes a completely flawed player. Put him in the nbl/ect he'll slay anyone because hes good at what he can dom but you cant get away with being as flawed as he is in the NBA

Yes you can. Just means he's more likely to be what he is now for the rest of his career - a handy bench scorer.

There's plenty of flawed players around the league making a living year in, year out, and there's plenty of guys around the league who were top 5/10 players in their high school class who didn't go on to be superstar pros, but thems the breaks.

 

[jdz101]

And they're giving that guy half the net worth of the franchise for his next contract....I get that NBA referees can make shocking blunders sometimes but he needs to grow up. He's not doing himself any favours.

 

[Upgrayedd]

I mean would you rather see stuff like this...

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/9466...p4?versionId=iAiQsyxoRl60YSAERZuT0DMyNI_j9H4y

or this...


Here's one in a crucial spot from the Sixers 1st game of the season that went to a review that was upheld as a charge, a guy who's picked up his dribble and in his gather while another guy comes and jumps in front of him and hold his balls while he gets run over


And here's one from Ilyasova yesterday where he just jumps in front of Lillard after he's picked up his gather and is going up

https://3ball.io/plays/lillard charge?playId=0021600641_539

It's garbage and shouldn't be a thing.

Embiid. I love the dude, But thats a charge.

 

[Drummer_19]

Sorry, I can only see 1 of the 4 vids (the Durant one), so can't comment on them individually... It's definitely an interesting viewpoint you have. Obviously, I disagree with it. It would need a fairly major revamp of the rules to satisfy you.

Actually, are there stats on charges? I ask, as I don't reckon my Spurs are called for them a lot. I wonder if it's because they're often making that extra pass instead of trying the hero posterising dunk!? LMA was open for a reason late in OT when David Lee found him. Food for thought.

No idea, NBA.com charts charges drawn (both play and team) but as far as committed ones I couldn't find any numbers on it, best I know of you can look through all the charges taken/committed from them from this site that highlights play https://3ball.io/plays/, spurs, charge

On the pass thing, a lot of times guys realise they're going to bowl over someone and still get the pass off before the crash but end up getting called for it because they're unable to stop on a dime. I'm not sure David Lee has to worry about being too athletic tho .

But here's a stupid one for you of Pau getting off the shot and barely touching the help defender who's ready to fall over as quick as he can to almost no contact https://3ball.io/plays/, spurs, charge?playId=0021600508_262 and a similar one with Danny Green who gets off the floater but rather than contesting the shot Harrell is there to fall over on command as he lands softly https://3ball.io/plays/, spurs, charge?playId=0021600425_48

I'm clearly the only one who cares about it so I'll stop banging on about it but I don't see why we reward guys who aren't the primary defender for coming in and falling down and not making a play at the ball, it's a bail out for guys who know they can't stop the other guy.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[stewie griffen]

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