The on topic thread 3.0

[chef]

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Surprised there's not as much outrage to clubs ripping off their own fans as there's is to club spending money.

 

[moomba]

Surprised there's not as much outrage to clubs ripping off their own fans as there's is to club spending money.

I'm not surprised at all.

 

[Magma]

Surprised there's not as much outrage to clubs ripping off their own fans as there's is to club spending money.

organic wealth

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Surprised there's not as much outrage to clubs ripping off their own fans as there's is to club spending money.

There always is and it's always Spurs and Arsenal fans who cop it.

 

[Memphis]

Rent free.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

There always is and it's always Spurs and Arsenal fans who cop it.

Is it any wonder why. Two clubs that try to run themselves the right way (albeit with owners who don’t execute it too well). To be sustainable with spending what they earn and not leeching off an owner and where does it get you? Slow regression to midtable.

So what do you do. Adjust your season tickets to reflect that or try and bring in more revenue.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Rent free.

Proven wrong countless times.

 

[chef]

Rent free.

following the EPL back in the 90s United were hatred like City/Chelsea because they were the richest and spent more than most. Well at least to me and the guys I'd chat football with(Europeans I worked with and guys from under age footy).

It's nothing new.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

following the EPL back in the 90s United were hatred like City/Chelsea because they were the richest and spent more than most. Well at least to me and the guys I'd chat football with(Europeans I worked with and guys from under age footy).

It's nothing new.

We weren't and we didn't. We were hated because we had the best team, because of the youth system, and manager. We were respected though.

 

[chef]

We weren't and we didn't. We were hated because we had the best team, because of the youth system, and manager. We were respected though.

Well you were in my circle. But yeah, I'm sure we'd see it different.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Well you were in my circle. But yeah, I'm sure we'd see it different.

Well we didn't just buy a new team out of nowhere. no reason for Chelsea fans to hate us in the 90s. You weren't competing with us. You were having punch ons with Wimbledon fans.

 

[chef]

Well we didn't just buy a new team out of nowhere. no reason for Chelsea fans to hate us in the 90s. You weren't competing with us. You were having punch ons with Wimbledon fans.

I was the only Chelsea supporter I knew going up, every one else was either Spurs, Arsenal Pool or a few United guys.

But theres probs no point hey.

 

[moomba]

I hated United because they were a bunch of campaigners.

I'm more chilled now, they're still a bunch of campaigners but I merely dislike them now.

 

[Memphis]

I hated United because they were a bunch of campaigners.

I'm more chilled now, they're still a bunch of campaigners but I merely dislike them now.

LMAO coming from someone supporting a team that became relevant only twelve years ago.

 

[Memphis]

following the EPL back in the 90s United were hatred like City/Chelsea because they were the richest and spent more than most. Well at least to me and the guys I'd chat football with(Europeans I worked with and guys from under age footy).

It's nothing new.

Wasn't like we were spending like City are these days and besides back then quote me if I'm wrong but you were only allowed 3 or 4 international players in your team.

We just had one of the greatest managers of all time that could get the best out of any player on the pitch from ronaldo to park ji-sung.

 

[moomba]

Wasn't like we were spending like City are these days and besides back then quote me if I'm wrong but you were only allowed 3 or 4 international players in your team.

We just had one of the greatest managers of all time that could get the best out of any player on the pitch from ronaldo to park ji-sung.

3 International players was in Champions league and only for a few years.

 

[moomba]

LMAO coming from someone supporting a team that became relevant only twelve years ago.

PMSL.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

We're City fans more bitter when they were in the third tier?

 

[moomba]

You did win a treble so probably.

Bur I remember it as an enjoyable season. Group of players battling for the club (couple that became club legends), a real feeling of positivity under Royle after a couple of awful years.


And the most famous extra time goal of the year.

 

[99 Problems]

United benefited massively from being one of the teams at the top of the pyramid when the game exploded with money. They capitalised on it by being very well run and having one of the great managers, but they were one of a few clubs who were in the right place at the right time.

They deserve a bunch of credit for a good chunk of the core squad then coming from the academy, but it also meant they could play the top end of the market to add the quality needed. If they really wanted a player finances very rarely stopped them.

The reason they haven’t been in even a title race for 8 seasons has nothing to do with spending though. They’ve spent a truckload that should’ve kept them more than competitive. They’ve just used it and been run poorly.

 

[SM]

You did win a treble so probably.

Bur I remember it as an enjoyable season. Group of players battling for the club (couple that became club legends), a real feeling of positivity under Royle after a couple of awful years.


And the most famous extra time goal of the year.

Cutting your teeth in League One for a season can be the making of clubs, you get down to players who really care for the club and (hopefully) all pull in the same direction.

 

[chef]

 

[drd23]

Related to that ^

Obviously just a tweet from some nobody, but the numbers do seem to be the same as what I've seen reported individually from more reliable sources

 

[Frank Bunn]

We weren't even close to the biggest spenders during Fergies time at the club. Unfortunately, I can't find the records from before the premier league started but from then on:

1992/93

The biggest spenders: Blackburn
The spend: £8.46m
The signings: Alan Shearer, Duncan Shearer, Kevin Gallacher, Frank Talia, Patrik Andersson, Stuart Ripley, Graeme Le Saux, Nicky Marker, Simon Ireland, Wayne Burnett, Henning Berg, Lee Makel, Tim Sherwood
The biggest signing: Alan Shearer (£3.4m, Southampton)
The finish: 4th

Manchester United won the inaugural Premier League title after a seasonal spend of £2.3m, comprised of fees for Eric Cantona (£1.2m), Dion Dublin (£1m) and the great Pat McGibbon (£100k). Blackburn, Tottenham (£4.7m), Liverpool (£4.4m) and Sheffield Wednesday (£2.4m) all spent more.

1993/94
The biggest spenders: Blackburn
The spend: £8.5m
The signings: Tim Flowers, David Batty, Ian Pearce, Paul Warhurst, Paul Harford, Andy Morrison
The biggest signing: David Batty (£2.75m, Leeds)
The finish: 2nd

Blackburn benefited from Jack Walker’s millions once more, although third-placed Newcastle (£5.1m) pushed them close. Rovers would have spent even more in summer 1993 had Manchester United not beaten them to the British-record signing of Roy Keane (£3.75m). That was the only signing Alex Ferguson’s champions made in their successful first title defence.

1994/95
The biggest spenders: Everton
The spend: £10.9m
The signings: Earl Barrett, Duncan Ferguson, David Burrows, Daniel Amokachi, Vinny Samways
The biggest signing: Duncan Ferguson (£4m, Rangers)
The finish: 15th

And you assumed Blackburn would complete this most obscure of hat-tricks. Kenny Dalglish spent £6.5m on Chris Sutton and Jeff Kenna to finally deliver the Premier League title to Ewood Park, but they were blown out of the water by Everton. The Toffees are proof that money does not guarantee success: they spent more than anyone in the 1994/95 season, only to finish 15th.

1995/96
The biggest spenders: Newcastle
The spend: £24.5m
The signings: Shaka Hislop, Les Ferdinand, David Batty, David Ginola, Warren Barton, Darren Huckerby, Faustino Asprilla
The biggest signing: Faustino Asprilla (£6.7m, Parma)
The finish: 2nd

Faustino Asprilla arrived in February 1996 and infamously (did not) cost the Magpies the title, while Les Ferdinand (£4m) and David Ginola (£2.5m) also joined the party. Everton (£11.9m) splashed the cash again, this time finishing sixth, while Arsenal (£12.25m) and Liverpool (£13m) came fifth and third respectively. Manchester United signed two players all season, both goalkeepers in Nick Culkin and Tony Coton. Wimbledon (£125k) were the only club to spend less (£750k) than the champions.

1996/97
The biggest spenders: Newcastle
The spend: £17.5m
The signings: Alan Shearer, Des Hamilton
The biggest signing: Alan Shearer (£15m, Blackburn)
The finish: 2nd

Only two players joined as Newcastle attempted to make the final step from runners-up to champions, but one of them was the most expensive in the world. A five-year-old Mohamed Salah scoffed and raised an eyebrow at Shearer’s return of 25 Premier League goals as the Magpies again missed out to Manchester United (£7.6m), who spent less than Aston Villa (£12.7m) and relegated Middlesbrough (£11.2m).

1997/98
The biggest spenders: Newcastle
The spend: £24.65m
The signings: Paddy Kelly, Shay Given, Temuri Ketsbaia, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Stuart Pearce, Alessandro Pistone, Brian Pinas, John Barnes, Ian Rush, Carlos Gonzalez, Ralf Keidel, Paul Dalglish, David Terrier, Andreas Andersson, Andy Griffin, Gary Speed, James Coppinger, Paul Robinson, Stephen Glass, Nikos Dabizas
The biggest signing: Gary Speed (£5.5m, Everton)
The finish: 13th

That’s a lot of players. It’s also a lot of money. Newcastle used to be so fun when it came to transfers. Arsenal pushed them closest in that respect, spending £16.75m en route to their first Premier League title. And we have no truck with net spend on this list…

1998/99
The biggest spenders: Manchester United
The spend: £29.35m
The signings: Jaap Stam, Russell Best, Jesper Blomqvist, John O’Shea, Dwight Yorke, Bojan Djordjic
The biggest signing: Dwight Yorke (£12.6m, Aston Villa)
The finish: 1st

Finally. It took until the seventh season of Premier League football for the campaign’s highest spenders to emerge as (treble) champions. Newcastle (£27.55m) obviously spent all of the money again, only to finish 13th again. Neat trick.

1999/2000
The biggest spenders: Liverpool
The spend: £35.9m
The signings: Sami Hyypiä, Titi Camara, Sander Westerveld, Stéphane Henchoz, Dietmar Hamann, Vladimír Šmicer, Emile Heskey, Erik Meijer, Jon Newby
The biggest signing: Emile Heskey (£11m, Leicester)
The finish: 4th

After going briefly transfer-mad the previous season, champions Manchester United (£10m) scaled their business back considerably. Coventry (£16.45m) spent more.

2000/01
The biggest spenders: Leeds
The spend: £48.7m
The signings: Olivier Dacourt, Mark Viduka, Dominic Matteo, Jacob Burns, Rio Ferdinand, Robbie Keane
The biggest signing: Rio Ferdinand (£18m, West Ham)
The finish: 4th

Arsenal spent £35m to finish second, while Chelsea stumped up a bill of £34.1m to come sixth. A world-record fee for a defender of £18m could not lift Leeds any higher than fourth, 12 points behind Manchester United. The Red Devils spent £8.7m on Fabien Barthez in May 2000, and nothing more.

2001/02
The biggest spenders: Manchester United
The spend: £58.6m
The signings: Roy Carroll, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Juan Sebastián Verón, Laurent Blanc, Diego Forlán, Luke Steele
The biggest signing: Juan Sebastián Verón (£29.1m, Lazio)
The finish: 3rd

Manchester United spent more money than anyone, but Arsenal (£29.15m) won the Premier League title. Who came second behind United in terms of money spent? Fulham (£32.3m), obviously.

2002/03
The biggest spenders: Manchester United
The spend: £30.6m
The signings: Rio Ferdinand, Ricardo
The biggest signing: Rio Ferdinand (£29.1m)
The finish: 1st

Manchester United spent £30.6m to finish first. Manchester City spent £30.25m to finish ninth.

2003/04
The biggest spenders: Chelsea
The spend: £121.5m
The signings: Jürgen Macho, Marco Ambrosio, Glen Johnson, Geremi, Wayne Bridge, Damien Duff, Joe Cole, Juan Sebastián Verón, Adrian Mutu, Alexey Smertin, Hernán Crespo, Neil Sullivan, Claude Makélélé, Scott Parker
The biggest signing: Damien Duff (£17m, Blackburn)
The finish: 2nd

Oh look, Chelsea have some money. Arsenal invincibled their way to the title off the back of a £1.75m summer spend – although they spent a further £10.5m on José Antonio Reyes in January and £3m on Robin van Persie in April.

2004/05
The biggest spenders: Chelsea
The spend: £94.45m
The signings: Paulo Ferreira, Petr Čech, Arjen Robben, Mateja Kežman, Didier Drogba, Tiago, Ricardo Carvalho, Nuno Morais, Jiří Jarošík
The biggest signing: Didier Drogba (£24m, Marseille)
The finish: 1st

If at first you don’t quite succeed, spend another metric sh*t ton and employ a better manager.

2005/06
The biggest spenders: Chelsea
The spend: £54.4m
The signings: Asier del Horno, Lassana Diarra, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Michael Essien, Maniche
The biggest signing: Michael Essien (£24.4m, Lyon)
The finish: 1st

Liverpool celebrated becoming European champions in the most frugal way possible: by spending £27.35m, and making Peter Crouch (£7m) their most expensive buy of the summer. Newcastle enjoyed some ’90s nostalgia by parting with £38.3m.

2006/07
The biggest spenders: Chelsea
The spend: £56.5m
The signings: Michael Ballack, Salomon Kalou, Andriy Shevchenko, John Obi Mikel, Khalid Boulahrouz, Ashley Cole
The biggest signing: Andriy Shevchenko (£30.8m)
The finish: 2nd

Chelsea definitely spent more money than 18 Premier League clubs in 2006/07. But no-one has a bloody clue how much Pards spent on Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano at West Ham. Champions Man United? They just bought a Michael Carrick and that was enough.

2007/08
The biggest spenders: Liverpool
The spend: £69.3m
The signings: Andriy Voronin, Yossi Benayoun, Fernando Torres, Ryan Babel, Lucas, Charles Itandje, Krisztián Németh, Nikolay Mihaylov, Emiliano Insúa, Ryan Crowther, Sebastián Leto, Damien Plessis, Martin Škrtel, Javier Mascherano
The biggest signing: Fernando Torres (£20m, Atletico Madrid)
The finish: 4th

On only three occasions have Liverpool been the highest spenders in a single Premier League season. Tottenham (£57.5m) also loosened the purse strings a little, while Manchester United won the title and Champions League on the back of a £51.8m squad investment.

2008/09
The biggest spenders: Manchester City
The spend: £119.35m
The signings: Jô, Tal Ben Haim, Vincent Kompany, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Pablo Zabaleta, Gláuber, Robinho, Wayne Bridge, Craig Bellamy, Nigel de Jong, Shay Given
The biggest signing: Robinho (£32.5m, Real Madrid)
The finish: 10th

With Liverpool (£38.3m), Manchester United (£37.75m), Arsenal (£32.5m) and Chelsea (£24.6m) all electing to leave the transfer window ajar, Manchester City decided to sneak in. The aforementioned quartet obviously comprised the top four, while City finished tenth.

The biggest spenders: Manchester City
The spend: £125.5m
The signings: Gareth Barry, Roque Santa Cruz, Stuart Taylor, Carlos Tevez, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Touré, Sylvinho, Joleon Lescott, Patrick Vieira, Adam Johnson
The biggest signing: Carlos Tevez (£25.5m, MSI)
The finish: 5th

Manchester City broke the £100m barrier for the second season running. The next closest club in terms of seasonal transfer spend were Aston Villa (£35m), followed by Sunderland (£34.5m). And just look at them now. Chelsea spent £26m on their way to the title, £18m of which went on Yuri Zhirkov.

2010/11
The biggest spenders: Manchester City
The spend: £152m
The signings: Jérôme Boateng, Yaya Touré, David Silva, Aleksandar Kolarov, Mario Balotelli, James Milner, Edin Džeko
The biggest signing: Edin Džeko (£27m, Wolfsburg)
The finish: 3rd

Chelsea spent £100.8m in an attempt to defend their Premier League title. Manchester United spent £23.8m to wrestle it from their grasp. To repeat: money doesn’t guarantee success.

2011/12
The biggest spenders: Chelsea
The spend: £79.2m
The signings: Thibaut Courtois, Oriol Romeu, Romelu Lukaku, Juan Mata, Ulises Davila, Raul Meireles, Sam Hutchinson, Kenneth Omeruo, Gary Cahill, Lucas Piazon, Patrick Bamford, Kevin de Bruyne
The biggest signing: Juan Mata (£23.5m, Valencia)
The finish: 6th

It may have delivered an underwhelming Premier League season, but the consolation was a Champions League title and FA Cup. Manchester City won the title with a £76m spend.

2012/13
The biggest spenders: Chelsea
The spend: £86.1m
The signings: Lamisha Musonda, Charly Musonda, Tika Musonda, Andreas Christensen, Marko Marin, Eden Hazard, Thorgan Hazard, Oscar, César Azpilicueta, Victor Moses, Wallace, Demba Ba
The biggest signing: Eden Hazard (£32m, Lille)
The finish: 3rd

A similar spend, another European trophy, and a slightly improved Premier League finish. All thanks to Rafael Benitez.

2013/14
The biggest spenders: Tottenham
The spend: £109m
The signings: Paulinho, Nacer Chadli, Roberto Soldado, Étienne Capoue, Vlad Chiricheș, Christian Eriksen, Érik Lamela
The biggest signing: Érik Lamela (£30m, Roma)
The finish: 6th

“Look at Tottenham … [when] you spend over £100m you’d expect to be challenging for the league.” Brendan’s words, not ours. Tottenham outspent Chelsea by a mere £500k, but neither could keep the pace of Manchester City (£90.9m) or Liverpool (£44.8m).

2014/15
The biggest spenders: Manchester United
The spend: £147.2m
The signings: Ander Herrera, Luke Shaw, Vanja Milinković-Savić, Marcos Rojo, Ángel di María, Daley Blind, Timothy Fosu-Mensah, Víctor Valdés, Sadiq El Fitouri
The biggest signing: Ángel di María (£59.7m, Real Madrid)
The finish: 4th

“Look at Tottenham…[when] you spend over £100m you’d expect to be challenging for the league.” Brendan’s words, not ours. Liverpool (£117m) might have expected more than sixth place. Manchester United (£147.2m) were the only club to spend more, and soared into fourth. Chelsea’s £108.6m spend delivered a title.

2015/16
The biggest spenders: Manchester City
The spend: £149.6m
The signings: Kevin de Bruyne, Raheem Sterling, Nicolás Otamendi, Patrick Roberts, Fabian Delph, Enes Ünal, Anthony Caceres, Florian Lejeune, Rubén Sobrino, Luke Brattan
The biggest signing: Kevin de Bruyne (£55m, Wolfsburg)
The finish: 4th

Look at those City players. And yet, it’s almost like money does not guarantee success. Leicester? They spent less than £45m.

2016/17
The biggest spenders: Manchester City
The spend: £171.5m
The signings: Ilkay Gündoğan, Nolito, Oleksandr Zinchenko, Leroy Sané, Marlos Moreno, John Stones, Claudio Bravo, Gabriel Jesus
The biggest signing: John Stones (£47.5m, Everton)
The finish: 3rd

“This season it’s very important to understand that it’s not always about who spends more money who wins,” said Antonio Conte. Chelsea taught the Manchester clubs a lesson, winning the title after spending a pittance (£117.2m) in comparison to City and United (£145.3m).

2017/18
The biggest spenders: Manchester City
The spend: £278.7m
The signings: Bernardo Silva, Ederson, Kyle Walker, Douglas Luiz, Danilo, Benjamin Mendy, Olarenwaju Kayode, Aymeric Laporte, Jack Harrison
The biggest signing: Aymeric Laporte (£57m, Athletic Bilbao)
The finish: 1st

The three biggest spenders in the Premier League that season were Manchester City, Chelsea (£237.9m) and Everton (£197.6m). That is truly the most mixed of bags. It was only the fifth season out of 26 in which the club that spent the most money won the title. Go figure.

2018/19
The biggest spenders: Liverpool, kind of
The spend: £165.45m
The signings: Naby Keita, Fabinho, Xherdan Shaqiri, Alisson
The biggest signing: Alisson (£56m, Roma)
The finish: 2nd

There is an asterisk, with Chelsea’s £186.1m spend including the £57.5m January signing of Christian Pulisic, who did not actually join the club until the summer of 2019. Leicester (£102.6m) also make the podium, but Liverpool pretty much bridged a 25-point gap to Manchester City (£70.25m) with some quite ridiculous money. Obviously, net spend blah blah blah.

2019/20
The biggest spenders: Manchester United
The spend: £192.6m
The signings: Harry Maguire, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Bruno Fernandes, Daniel James
The biggest signing: Harry Maguire (£80m, Leicester City)
The finish: 3rd

For the first time in five years, Manchester United were the biggest spenders – with a very similar result. Champions Liverpool (who did nothing of financial note until January) actually spent less than every club barring Norwich City and Crystal Palace. That Aston Villa (£143.19m) are fourth on the spending list should be a source of embarrassment.

2020/21
The biggest spenders: Chelsea
The spend: £222.5m
The signings: Hakim Ziyech, Timo Werner, Ben Chilwell, Thiago Silva, Kai Havertz, Edouard Mendy
The biggest signing: Kai Havertz (£72m, Bayer Leverkusen)
The finish: Likely 3rd or 4th

Frank Lampard paid with his job after failing to mount anything close to a title challenge with title challenge money while Manchester City cruised to the title on a modest spend of £160m. Leeds and Aston Villa both spent more than Arsenal, Manchester United or Liverpool.

Good data Bojan

I reckon to win his first title Fergie got lucky with the homegrown talent of Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and Neville. Then he made some astute signings like Keane, Cantona, Bruce, Pallister, Schmeichel, Irwin, Ince. All these guys had the skills but most importantly the winning mentality.

Later he improved the squad with some top dollar signings like Ferdinand, Carrick, Cole, Yorke, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Berg, Barthez, Stam, de Gea, Verón
Berbatov, Rooney, Mata. So in each season Man U might not have been in the highest spenders but on a consistent basis they were able to compete in the transfer market with any other Premier League club.

Just a small point on 2004. I reckon Wayne Rooney's total fee would have been greater than Drogba's.

 

[Frank Bunn]

LMAO coming from someone supporting a team that became relevant only twelve years ago.

You could say that Man U were irrelevant before the Premier League era. The last time they won the league was 1967. City won it in 1968.

After that United fans had to watch Liverpool win it 11 times, Leeds 3 times, Arsenal 3 times, Everton 2 times.