The on topic thread

[Buckleys Jocks]

I've no love for either Manchester City or Melbourne City and I whinged plenty when they did the Caceras and Brattan deals but I just don't see any such similar issues with Mooy. Unlike the others he quite clearly has no intention of returning to the A League any time soon and is more than capable of playing at a higher level for the next few years of his career.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Why does that matter? Are teams not allowed to be innovative?

You've been asked numerous times now. What rules have they broken?

I wouldn't give a shit to be honest. It's no different to any other player we have bought and then immediately loaned out.

I've answered it "numerous times" too. If it's about City retaining control of the player so they can return him to Melb City then they are effectively getting around the salary cap rules because Melb City couldn't afford to keep him under their cap. If they think he is a great player but won't play for either City club every again then it may be about making their books look better in terms of the financial responsibilities of Melb City in the eyes of the FFA, if not any FFP rules. If it's simply about profiteering because they think he'll prove himself in Europe and get a substantially larger money move later, then it's like the big club approach of buying lots of youngsters but he's 25 and is pretty close to a third party ownership type set-up. Both of those two approaches are things that people don't like because of the way rich clubs can hoarde talent and have an unfair advantage.

Now I really don't see a need to constantly repeat myself. I think everyone understands the issues involved and lots of people have different opinions. This is OK. If rules were introduced to limit the amount of players a club could have a loan (or something that achieved that end result), I would be happy with that, because I think it is an issue of fairness.

 

[SM]

It is different because you've bought those players with the intention of playing them for Hull. And you aren't buying them from a related 3rd party.

It's no different. We bought Tom Ince and I think he played 3 games, and was loaned to Forest, then played a couple more, then was loaned to Derby, then sold. He was barely our player.

We bought Brian Lenihan, and he was shoved in our U21s - despite being called up to the Senior Irish squad - then loaned out to Blackpool.

I don't really give a shit.

 

[SM]

I've answered it "numerous times" too. If it's about City retaining control of the player so they can return him to Melb City then they are effectively getting around the salary cap rules because Melb City couldn't afford to keep him under their cap. If they think he is a great player but won't play for either City club every again then it may be about making their books look better in terms of the financial responsibilities of Melb City in the eyes of the FFA, if not any FFP rules. If it's simply about profiteering because they think he'll prove himself in Europe and get a substantially larger money move later, then it's like the big club approach of buying lots of youngsters but he's 25 and is pretty close to a third party ownership type set-up. Both of those two approaches are things that people don't like because of the way rich clubs can hoarde talent and have an unfair advantage.

Now I really don't see a need to constantly repeat myself. I think everyone understands the issues involved and lots of people have different opinions. This is OK. If rules were introduced to limit the amount of players a club could have a loan (or something that achieved that end result), I would be happy with that, because I think it is an issue of fairness.

You got yourself in the second sentence, since that's not what it's about at all.

 

[Zidane98]

I wonder if the interest in Mooy just wasn't there from a club he was willing to play for. The City move could potentially convince a higher calibre of club that he is worth a crack, along with them potentially paying part of his wages for the loan move.

Does he need to move to Man City to convince a club of his calibre? He's already plating for a club that shares the same owners.

I've followed Mooy closely and there wasn't a shortage of clubs interested in him, that's for sure.

 

[Zidane98]

It's no different. We bought Tom Ince and I think he played 3 games, and was loaned to Forest, then played a couple more, then was loaned to Derby, then sold. He was barely our player.

We bought Brian Lenihan, and he was shoved in our U21s - despite being called up to the Senior Irish squad - then loaned out to Blackpool.

I don't really give a shit.

It is different. Do you honestly believe Man City would have signed Mooy if he wasn't playing for a club owned by them?

 

[SM]

It is different. Do you honestly believe Man City would have signed Mooy if he wasn't playing for a club owned by them?

No, but why does that matter?

 

[jod23]

Yes and Yes

That's awesome. I was reading about it and the three tv channels are LFCTV, Chelsea TV and MUTV but then they said they would have dedicated Arsenal, Spurs and City content but they didnt go into details on that. Do those three clubs have their own channels on Foxtel now aswell?

 

[moomba]

So the upshot is that IF Manchester City get Mooy over and front load his contract, and IF they then loan him out for a few years and then IF they return him to Melbourne City on reduced salary so he fits under the salary cap and IF that allows them to get in another marquee then that will be dodgy.

Any indication any of that is likely to happen, or is it just "it's two clubs from the same parent group therefore it's dodgy".

It's all pie in the sky stuff. Mooy is over here to get into the European game, I severely doubt he has agreed to come over for just a year or two so he can return to Melbourne. If it doesn't work out for him I'm sure there will be plenty of interest for him from Australia on marquee wages. Or elsewhere in Asia.

 

[moomba]

That's awesome. I was reading about it and the three tv channels are LFCTV, Chelsea TV and MUTV but then they said they would have dedicated Arsenal, Spurs and City content but they didnt go into details on that. Do those three clubs have their own channels on Foxtel now aswell?

LFC, MUTV and ChelseaTV are the only ones on the Sky platform. Rest I presume will be from internet platforms.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

LFC, MUTV and ChelseaTV are the only ones on the Sky platform. Rest I presume will be from internet platforms.

I think we get a programming block on one of the Fox channels, presumably Ch505 that carried the EPL.

 

[moomba]

I wonder if the interest in Mooy just wasn't there from a club he was willing to play for. The City move could potentially convince a higher calibre of club that he is worth a crack, along with them potentially paying part of his wages for the loan move.

I wonder if clubs wanted a look but weren't prepared to commit to a multi year deal. Much cheaper to loan the player, pay the loan fee and if it turns out well then look at a more permanent arrangement.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Jan Vertonghen has picked up an ankle injury in training and will miss the next 4 months.

jd2010 so just looking like our first couple of games out

 

[kangaspurs]

Apparently Mooy's contract is worth about $5m a season at Man City. There wouldn't have been many other clubs interested that could offer him the same wages. By signing with them he gets the wages but also gets to be loaned out to a European club, where he wanted to play all along, while the club pays a fraction of those wages. Perhaps those wages are given as an incentive to return to Melbourne City when and if his career in Europe is finished, or perhaps the CFG are giving him a safety net in case the European move doesn't work out. Or perhaps he will prove himself in Europe and attract teh interest of bigger clubs than the one he is loaned to and Man City sell for a small profit. It's hard to say right now what the motivations for the mover are. I just hope he's been given assurances about his loan destination or, less likely, that he'll be given a chance in pre-season and he doesn't end up having a season like Brattan did last year.

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

jd2010 so just looking like our first couple of games out

i'm not sure why twitter felt the need to lie to me

 

[chef]

So who has Foxtel?

Has LFCTV started yet? Has it just sprung up, is it free in the sports package?

Just switched it on and we are playing you guys in 2005. Mou before he lost it and a cracking team. Those were the days hey.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Just switched it on and we are playing you guys in 2005. Mou before he lost it and a cracking team. Those were the days hey.

How fitting that on Day 1 of CTV they show CFC from the beginning

 

[chef]

How fitting that on Day 1 of CTV they show CFC from the beginning

Ok FAITH

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Ok FAITH

You flatter me sir.

 

[moomba]

less likely, that he'll be given a chance in pre-season and he doesn't end up having a season like Brattan did last year.

I'd be surprised if he doesnt get a game or two during pre season.

 

[kangaspurs]

I'd be surprised if he doesnt get a game or two during pre season.

I hope he does, it would be the perfect opportunity to impress while the other midfielders are on extended breaks for off-season compeitions. Although, now I think about it, you've probably only got De Bruyne as the only midfielder that's on duty with his national team, or were Fernando and Fernandinho with Brazil for the Copa America?



On another note, is anyone elses Foxtel playing up or even crashing when they do so much as scroll over the new channels, let alone select them? Ours has crashed about 5 or 6 times in the last 20 minutes after I briefly had a look at them.

 

[wadistance]

Lol

 

[Fryer Tuck]

Man, I just remembered that Bayern Munich's name is basically the same as a club called Victoria Melbourne or Lombardy Milan or East Midlands Leicester. It's something out of PES.



Well, here's the real reason why Sturridge is a goal machine. He's a complete fruit!

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ts-to-spraying-fragrance-on-kit-before-games?

Seriously, slow news day.

 

[Magma]

delicious

 

[jod23]

Just switched it on and we are playing you guys in 2005. Mou before he lost it and a cracking team. Those were the days hey.

Which game was it? I hope we battered you.