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Yes, thats right, Points Per Possesion.

The most under-rated stat in Dream Team.

If you dont know what I mean, it's how many points a player gets, per possesion they obtain.

For example, over the weekend, Daniel Kerr had over 30 possesions for only 98 DT points! This means for every possesion he got, he'd only average around 3 points.

Dane Swan had 17 possesions for an amazing 88 DT points. For every possesion he got he averaged 5 points.

While the PPP may not be excactly the same week in week out, over a season, and even a players career, their PPP remains consistent.

I picked my team largely around the players PPP from last year, and so far its working.

Sam Mitchell, Ryan Griffen and Simon Black are just another few with what I would call 'below average PPP's'.

Luke Ball, Dean Cox, Dane Swan and James Bartel have extraordinary PPP's, reaching into the 7-9's!

You may think this is a load of crap, but trust me, its useful :thumbsu:
 
It's true, but it's mainly dew to marks and to a lesser extent goals (and to an even lesser extent hitouts).

Basically, I would have picked players who get lots of marks.

EDIT: Hmmm forgot Tackles! haha.
 
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footylover18 said:
Elite ruckman will always have high PPP's due to the extra points they get from hitouts.

The others that have high PPP's are players who mark and/or tackle a lot or kick bags of goals.
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Excactly my point. Why pick a player purely because they are a great player? DT is a different game.

Nathan Foley is another who also springs to mind. Appauling PPP.
 

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richmond fanatic said:
Yes, thats right, Points Per Possesion.

The most under-rated stat in Dream Team.

If you dont know what I mean, it's how many points a player gets, per possesion they obtain.

For example, over the weekend, Daniel Kerr had over 30 possesions for only 98 DT points! This means for every possesion he got, he'd only average around 3 points.

Dane Swan had 17 possesions for an amazing 88 DT points. For every possesion he got he averaged 5 points.

While the PPP may not be excactly the same week in week out, over a season, and even a players career, their PPP remains consistent.

I picked my team largely around the players PPP from last year, and so far its working.

Sam Mitchell, Ryan Griffen and Simon Black are just another few with what I would call 'below average PPP's'.

Luke Ball, Dean Cox, Dane Swan and James Bartel have extraordinary PPP's, reaching into the 7-9's!

You may think this is a load of crap, but trust me, its useful :thumbsu:
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Swan had 57% gametime on the weekend. He is an unbelievable dreamteamer.
 
Franklin and Fevola have poor points per goal ratio too.

It's not always about getting the best players.
 
As a general rule I prefer players who get high kicks/points and marks/points ratios.
Travis Johnstone is a perfect example.

Its great having players who can crack the ton with only 20 possessions. Players like Black, Kerr etc all need 30+ possies in order to score well. So if they have a bad game, then their DT score is really ugly.

Johnstone in 2008:
Rd1: 18 kicks, 20 disp, 87 points
Rd2: 19, 22, 93
Rd3: 12, 14, 47

If only TJ took more marks..
 
Just a small corrections Swan got 89 points last week not 88 :p.

But yeh i considered PPP when i was making my dreamteam. Swan is such a great DTer and basically racks the points sitting on the bench.

I also picked T.Cloke based on PPP as well. T.Cloke is the type of player who gets his possession by leading up the ground, getting a mark and the getting rid of the ball by a kick (he barley handballs). And sometimes this results in a goal. He is one of a few players who can get 100 points with very little possessions.

Take last week for example. He got 94 with 15 possession. If you look at lets say Sam Mitchel in 15 possessions he would be lucky to get above 40-50.

Its a good thing to consider when picking players :thumbsu:.
 
KouDogg said:
Just a small corrections Swan got 89 points last week not 88 :p.

But yeh i considered PPP when i was making my dreamteam. Swan is such a great DTer and basically racks the points sitting on the bench.

I also picked T.Cloke based on PPP as well. T.Cloke is the type of player who gets his possession by leading up the ground getting a mark and the getting rid of the ball by a kick (he barley handballs). He is one of the few players who can get 100 points with very little possessions.

Take last week for example. He got 94 with 14 possession. If you look at lets say Sam Mitchel in 14 possessions he would be lucky to get above 40-50.

Its a good thing to consider when picking players :thumbsu:.
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tahts because cloke is a forward (more marks and goals)
but cloke will hardly ever beat mitchell possession wise

its really a fairly useless stat, points are points, who cares if they get 100 from 15 disposals or 28disposals, still 100pts in the end

a much more important stat is points per minute
 
I think Paul Chapman is one who has a massive PPP. As does Brad Johnson, anybody who spends some time on the ball and can go forward and kick the occasional bag. Oh, and don't forget cheap marks!!
 
Who gives a toss? I'll take Cross getting 40 touches a game and getting 100 DT points over Brock McLean who'll get 20 touches a game and 90 DT points
 
Cassius_Clay said:
Who gives a toss? I'll take Cross getting 40 touches a game and getting 100 DT points over Brock McLean who'll get 20 touches a game and 90 DT points
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Agree. Who cares if Nathan Thompson has 4 possessions game and kicks 4 goals. Something like mark(3pts) kick (3pts) goal(6pts).

But only 48 points per game.

That would make his points per possession 12ppp. Does that make him a ____ing uber gun DT'er?
 

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And don't forget the players that rack up big tackle points - one example is Priddis and there are quite a few others. Big points without having to touch the ball.
 
Cassius_Clay said:
Who gives a toss? I'll take Cross getting 40 touches a game and getting 100 DT points over Brock McLean who'll get 20 touches a game and 90 DT points
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The problem is that very few players will rack up 40 touches a game, whereas its not unlikely that a player will get 20. Players like Simon Black can play a blinder of a game and only gets around 120. (39 & 37 disposals last season for 122 & 119 points respectively).
Whereas Travis Cloke last season had a season-low score of 52 (8 possessions) and highs of 119, 121, 114 and 110 for 24, 20, 21, 14 disposals respectively.
Fair enough on the high point games - if I have a gun player who scores 110+ each week then I don't care how many possessions they get.

However, if I've got a player who averages only 80 then I would be more comfortable if they can achieve that score with fewer possessions rather than having to get 30 touches for those 80 points. A low PPP means that if they are having a bad game possession wise, they will definitely be having a poor game DT-wise. Whereas a player with a high PPP could play three crap quarters but get 8 kicks in the final quarter and finish with 70 points. For a player with a low PPP to get 70 points they'd have to get around 18 possessions in that final quarter.

I recommend everyone who is interested go compare Simon Black's stats for 2007 with Travis Cloke / Travis Johnstone's 2007 stats.
 
Yes but PPP is important, to allow a player to have the occasional bad game and still score quite well. You cant rely on Mitchell to get 35 touches every week to only get your 100 points....he simply wont do that.

Swan had a bad game, and still got 89 points. Priddis gets 100 every week because of tackles, Ball gets 14 touches and gets 110 odd.

To say it isnt important is pretty stupid.
 
richmond fanatic said:
To say it isnt important is pretty stupid.
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It's really not important at all. Who cares if West has a poor PPP he'll still score 80+ 95% of the time. Rocca's PPP would be about 9. Who cares!? It's all reflected in their average and from there reflected in their price. Ohh Swan had a bad game still scored 89 points, hmm no wonder he's worth over 400K he's a gun i don't need his PPP to know that I just need to look at his ave or his results from past games.

I just don't get how this information can help anybody.
 
Butane said:
It's really not important at all. Who cares if West if has a poor PPP he'll still score 80+ 95% of the time. Rocca's PPP would be about 9. Who cares!? It's all reflected in their average and from there reflected in their price. Ohh Swan had a bad game still scored 89 points, hmm no wonder he's worth over 400K he's a gun i don't need his PPP to know that I just need to look at his ave or his results from past games.

I just don't get how this information can help anybody.
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Agree, its as simple as points and whether they will maintain,drop or increase these points.
 

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