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Now, I know very little about the whole topic, and I'm trying to save myself a shit load of reading so perhaps one of you guys may be able to shed some light on the topic.

Egyptians were seen as somewhat primitive because they had limited technology (eg they left a bunch of clay pots behind). That was my first assumption, perhaps I'm wrong here, I didn't study history at school.

They also happened to leave a bunch of pyramids behind that we assume could not have been built by this primitive race. Yet these pyramids are aligned with the stars, have been built to certain mathematical specifications etc that suggest a certain level of intelligence.

Another thing that suggests they were primitive was their use of hieroglyphics (I may be wrong with this assumption), but if they're using pictures to communicate, they're not terribly advanced are they?

I've seen documentaries where they interpret the Egyptian symbols and stuff like that. From what I gathered in my limited knowledge they had characters that we directly translated into the English alphabet. Now this is where I get somewhat sceptical, is this just a load of crap that we're being fed? Have we really translated their alphabet to match ours? and is that even possible?

Now, this is where my real question comes in. Say, the Egyptians weren't a primitive race, but a much more highly advanced race than we are. Perhaps their language didn't consist of simple images but was more advanced than out language is (I assume it would have been). Say the Egyptians knew they would eventually meet their doom, or those cool pyramids they built with their telepathic powers transported them to another realm. Either way, they knew they were no longer going to be on earth for ever. So figuring one day there will be a race that is somewhat primitive compared to theirs, will eventually stumble on their land. In order to be able to communicate things to this "potentially" primitive race, they had to convert things into symbols so any idiot could understand it. Suppose they built the pyramids as they knew those structures would potentially last long enough for this primitive race to find them. Perhaps mummy's weren't a ritual but a known method of preserving their bodies so that future races could conduct DNA & other tests to determine the origins of the Egyptians.

There may be a simple explanation for my questions, perhaps that answer is: "you're f...ing crazy" but just some thoughts I had. I may be incorrect in some of my assumptions, and if I am I apologise, just some thoughts.

PS I wouldn't take an "experts" word as gospel, for instance, we're fed this image of cave men as people who carried clubs around and beat each other over the heads with them. Yet I would say, the images that they leave behind in caves suggest a certain level of intelligence that would lead them to represent themselves in a drawing / painting. Basically what I'm saying is I'd like to know that there's substantial evidence to counteract my questions/theories etc.

Like I said, I know very little about the topic, I expect someone to explain these things quite simply, I was just interested to know what the answer is.
 
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You're taking random bits of evidence and making assumptions on them without understanding the historical record surrounding them.

We managed to translate Hieroglyphs through their relationship to Ancient Greek (a stone tablet was found which contained the same passage of information in Hieroglyphs, Demotic and Ancient Greek) about two hundred years ago. Our translations are probably not exactly the grammar and syntax that the Egyptians intended, but they're pretty damn close. The Egyptians were not the only ancient culture to make use of a symbol based text.

As to the pyramids, again, the Egyptians were not the only ancient culture to build large monuments. The reasons that the Egyptians were able to build so big compared to others was due to a multitude of factors, including Egypts geographical position (they lived in a valley which made it difficult for invaders to come in and disrupt their work, whilst the river enabled for easy transport of the raw materials), the wealth of the country, and the fact that farms were flooded for months at a time, leaving more people available for state works.
 
this is right up my alley.

The pyramids are amazing structures to the say least.

They say " Men fear time but time fears the pyramids "
They are aligned with with the stars, are built with that much accuracy that not even the best modern day achitect can duplicate.

What facinates me is what is underneath these things. Hidden treasures ?
The sphinx of egypt is another one. What is underneath it.

There is pyramids all over the place. I cant remember when but off the coast of china or japan they found a pyrimad ounder water. They say there is a crystal pryamid off the coast of the bermudia triangle ( my spelling is way off :D )

Asia has them. Australia is said to have them.

To the race debate, Defiently more advanced than us.
The history that we are taught in school is not correct. All you have to do is research these topic part time and you will figure it out.
 
My GF pretty firmly believes they were an advanced race to us, the way they build without harming the land and the way they're pyramids are facing perfectly north(something we struggle to do with modern technology)

But i have no idea.

Wait, what?

Quarrying is quarrying.
 
Knowledge is power. I feel sorry for the people that arent educated on these topics
 
Reasons why pyramids are everywhere: it is the most outrageously simple design for building something big that you can possibly have. Fat base, little point. No falling over, no complicated supports required, very limited stresses.

Look, the Pyramids are impressive, but if we want to talk about "advanced" architecture, none of them even compare to the vaulted arch.
 

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Reasons why pyramids are everywhere: it is the most outrageously simple design for building something big that you can possibly have. Fat base, little point. No falling over, no complicated supports required, very limited stresses.

Look, the Pyramids are impressive, but if we want to talk about "advanced" architecture, none of them even compare to the vaulted arch.

That's kind of my point though, how long do you think a vaulted arch would last?

A pyramid on the other hand is built to last. Why would the Egyptians go to so much trouble?
 
That's kind of my point though, how long do you think a vaulted arch would last?

A pyramid on the other hand is built to last. Why would the Egyptians go to so much trouble?

It was a massive state stimulus package in the main, not dissimilar to the dam and highway building efforts that accompanied the Great Depression in the US. Not to mention the insane one-upmanship of hereditary rulers measuring penis sizes via monuments.
 
THIS old chestnut

Lets get one thing straight. They are not more 'advanced' than us and our 'modern technologies'. There isnt anything they can do that we cant.

My GF pretty firmly believes they were an advanced race to us, the way they build without harming the land and the way they're pyramids are facing perfectly north(something we struggle to do with modern technology)

But i have no idea.

Really we cant get things to face north accurately? But we can build the hadron collidor and measure things down to the smallest particles? We cant build anything North but we can put men on the moon? We cant find North but we can put sattelites in orbit that can directly pinpoint the location of your car on this planet in seconds and if their timing or measurements were out by the smallest of margins then the information you received would be completely wrong

Ffs we build SKY SCRAPERS.

We fly MAGICALLY THROUGH THE SKIES IN GIANT METAL TUBES

But people try to tell us we couldnt build the pyramids? Thats because we are smart enough to find a better way.

We are smarter, more economical, quicker and more reliable than any pyramid company has ever been.

If someone can find me an egyptian a thousand years old with a smart phone I might start to believe they're more advanced than us

The proof is in the pudding here people, its so obvious and smack bang in your face.

THEY DRAGGED HEAVY ROCKS THROUGH SAND TO BUILD STRUCTURES

THEY DIDNT EVEN HAVE CRANES
 
I mean I'm sitting here, on the internet, looking at pictures from the hubble space telescope and using my smart phone to send emails to someone on the other side of the planet in seconds

and someone is trying to tell me this ancient race that build pyramids out of rocks are smarter than us

its ****ing jaw dropping

a rollar coaster is more advanced than anything they did
 
but please anyone who wants to live like the egyptians and do it their advanced way, I have a car in Brighton that I need to get to werribee tonight

meet me here, I'll get the ropes and if we start dragging it there by 5pm we might be there by sunrise tomorrow
 
THIS old chestnut

Lets get one thing straight. They are not more 'advanced' than us and our 'modern technologies'. There isnt anything they can do that we cant.



Really we cant get things to face north accurately? But we can build the hadron collidor and measure things down to the smallest particles? We cant build anything North but we can put men on the moon? We cant find North but we can put sattelites in orbit that can directly pinpoint the location of your car on this planet in seconds and if their timing or measurements were out by the smallest of margins then the information you received would be completely wrong

Ffs we build SKY SCRAPERS.

We fly MAGICALLY THROUGH THE SKIES IN GIANT METAL TUBES

But people try to tell us we couldnt build the pyramids? Thats because we are smart enough to find a better way.

We are smarter, more economical, quicker and more reliable than any pyramid company has ever been.

If someone can find me an egyptian a thousand years old with a smart phone I might start to believe they're more advanced than us

The proof is in the pudding here people, its so obvious and smack bang in your face.

THEY DRAGGED HEAVY ROCKS THROUGH SAND TO BUILD STRUCTURES

THEY DIDNT EVEN HAVE CRANES

Pyramids may have been built to last, but they didn't have a patch on the engineering achievement that was, say, the Coliseum. And is a million times less advanced than one of our modern sporting cathedrals like the MCG or Metricon or the like. A pyramid is a giant pile of blocks, getting narrower as it goes up to make it sturdy and nearly impossible to collapse.

People need to remember that when historians/engineers say things like "we don't know how the [people of some classical civilisation] accomplished [some curiosity of engineering]", they are not saying we are not able top duplicate that feat, they're just saying that we don't know what trick was used to do it with that level of toolmaking. We didn't know how they made the Roman roads level, but that doesn't mean we can't make flat roads!
 

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they aren't more advanced, but what they did have was a lot of man power, an obedient race of people (probably through force), and a hell of a lot of time. not much else to do in them days. had to wait seven days before methuselah would come back with more news on the josiah hird, malachi thompson and the cairo bombers lion feeding scandal. so you might as well knock up some pyramids in the mean time.
 
Well, strictly speaking, what they had was their farmers and it came down to keeping them employed (and not causing trouble) when the farms didn't need them and there was no war to send them off to. Didn't even need to be forced, it came down to taxation in kind, but they were fed and housed when on the job. The whole system is a large part of why the Egyptian civilisation had a really good civil service.

Edit: Top comment on the Lion Feeding scandal though
 
my jimmies are ruffled

its just not being able to see the forest through the trees, just have a look around, do people really think these rock draggers were more advanced than us?

Nek Minnit, Voyager I goes off-line after crashing into a heirogylph-laden satellite waiting just outside the heliopause.
 

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