Prediction The rebuild could be long.. years if not a decade

[rogerjames]

A list always looks bad when it is poorly coached. There is definately areas of the list which need attention. But ken is the issue he is what is holding the playing group back.
Collingwood fans were saying similar things to us in Buckley's last year where they finished 17th. Mcrea comes along and things change for the better I think similar will happen when josh takes over

Does provide some hope. But is Carr as good as McRae?

 

[rogerjames]

The problem is that the key decision-makers at the club still, and I repeat, still think that this season is the year when all the puzzle pieces will fit together, and we’ll finally get over the hump and win the premiership, despite the fact that we are in the bottom four and at the minute we don’t have a prayer of winning a game of Australian Rules Football.

I think even those idiots would be doubting it now. But when you have Koch at the AGM stating that Ken deserves a flag & look what happened to Brisbane sticking with Fagan, it demonstrates that he has absolutely no idea about football. He's sees things very superfically which is consistent with his previous role as a morning TV host. He acts like a buffoon & thinks like a buffoon.

 

[Gryllis]

The problem is giving away a top 5 pick, especially with an expansion club about to compromise future drafts. You cannot do that.

That'll set back the rebuild years, or even set it up to fail before it really starts.

 

[Chewy316]

To suggest this is going to take years to turn around is just such an overblown statement.

So many teams look like basket cases and turn it around in a matter of 12 months.

There's plenty of talent on the list - 20 out of the 23 players in the prelim final last year are still on the current list. Majority of the key players are 25 years of age or less.

it can turn around quickly if they put the right infrastructure in place within the footy department. That is, a massive change up of assistants around Carr.

 

[Chewy316]

The problem is giving away a top 5 pick, especially with an expansion club about to compromise future drafts. You cannot do that.

That'll set back the rebuild years, or even set it up to fail before it really starts.

It won't be a top 5 pick - it'll be closer to pick 10 once NGA etc have been taken. And this year's pick 10 will be closer to pick 20 from last year's draft.

There's no way that one single pick of that calibre is going to set anything back heading into next season.

 

[Schulzenfest]

It won't be a top 5 pick - it'll be closer to pick 10 once NGA etc have been taken. And this year's pick 10 will be closer to pick 20 from last year's draft.

There's no way that one single pick of that calibre is going to set anything back heading into next season.

For all you know that's the pick that would've landed us the next Zac Butters or Jason Horne-Francis level player.

I'm not buying this stuff about relative strengths of the draft either, considering we took pick 15 into last year's apparent super draft and came out with a guy who has been about as good as Benny Barrett so far.

 

[davesnothere]

Josh Carr isn't fixing this mess, in fact he's part of it.

Ken is killing Josh's brand.

As it stands Josh simply isn’t going to get a honeymoon period or goodwill.

 

[Gryllis]

There's no way that one single pick of that calibre is going to set anything back heading into next season.

In isolation perhaps, but given we've continually traded away first rounders for years, it all adds up and is a long time without bringing in enough high end talent. That catches up with you, and we're about to enter a terrible time to bottom out - much like 2011 when Port was last here.

I get this is a weaker draft and picks are always pushed back, but we'll still ultimately end up earning our highest pick in a long time and.... not actually have it. Given Port's recent preference for trades over using high picks, that's a huge mistake.

 

[OneGreatClub]

We need a clean out just when we will be getting only the scraps due to Tassie team.
F U Port.
Disgraceful planning and management.
Disgusted.

 

[theouthouse]

For all you know that's the pick that would've landed us the next Zac Butters or Jason Horne-Francis level player.

I'm not buying this stuff about relative strengths of the draft either, considering we took pick 15 into last year's apparent super draft and came out with a guy who has been about as good as Benny Barrett so far.

You could put any 2024 draftee in this club at present and within 3 months of being at the club they would turn to dogshit.

Fact is this club has not gotten the best out of its players for a very long time, it's always who can we get in to be the missing piece, not how can we play to our players strengths.

 

[Chewy316]

In isolation perhaps, but given we've continually traded away first rounders for years, it all adds up and is a long time without bringing in enough high end talent. That catches up with you, and we're about to enter a terrible time to bottom out - much like 2011 when Port was last here.

I get this is a weaker draft and picks are always pushed back, but we'll still ultimately end up earning our highest pick in a long time and.... not actually have it. Given Port's recent preference for trades over using high picks, that's a huge mistake.

How high the pick is really doesn't matter - what matters is the talent available at that pick, which is going to be close to the talent available with pick 20 last year.

They added 3 players in the last draft which they believe are all going to be long term players at the club. Players, which, will be part of the next nucleus of the team under Carr

If they were completely void of talent and had an old list, I would agree that they needed to preserve as many picks as possible. But they're a young list, and all their top players are still relatively young.

Not having the pick really isn't going to make a discernible difference going forward.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

A list always looks bad when it is poorly coached. There is definately areas of the list which need attention. But ken is the issue he is what is holding the playing group back.
Collingwood fans were saying similar things to us in Buckley's last year where they finished 17th. Mcrea comes along and things change for the better I think similar will happen when josh takes over

That's the big questions, isn't it?

How bad is Ken Hinkley as an AFL coach? I'm going to put it out there and say he is a very poor coach and it was only a matter of time that this type of year was going to happen.

Josh Carr just needs to be a good coach to change things around. All he needs is the things that Hinkley lacks, accountability, a winning attitude, discipline, sacrifice, motivating the players, a good gameplan, etc. These things are base line and foundational aspect of coaching that have been completely missing for a decade. With them, we should be back.

Now if Bergman and Butters leave, we are pretty much in rebuild mode.

We will also be depending on the kindness of strangers and hopefully we can nab a fair few Father/Sons and NGA because we do have holes on the list.

When it comes down to it, it may only take a year or two to see how badly Hinkley was as a coach if Carr has a solid or good or great way about his as a coach. And for the laughs, if Carr and Port Adelaide win the flag next year, I'm sure Whateley and co will be telling the world that it was the preparation of Kenny that led to that premiership.

Hopefully Carr can circumnavigate around the toxicity of the board and not get sullied by those losers as well.

 

[Us against the rest]

You could put any 2024 draftee in this club at present and within 3 months of being at the club they would turn to dogshit.

Fact is this club has not gotten the best out of its players for a very long time, it's always who can we get in to be the missing piece, not how can we play to our players strengths.

This is true, good players come into our shit system and turn into bog average players.

 

[JUSTWORK]

To suggest this is going to take years to turn around is just such an overblown statement.

So many teams look like basket cases and turn it around in a matter of 12 months.

There's plenty of talent on the list - 20 out of the 23 players in the prelim final last year are still on the current list. Majority of the key players are 25 years of age or less.

it can turn around quickly if they put the right infrastructure in place within the footy department. That is, a massive change up of assistants around Carr.

That’s exactly right, Collingwood went from being second last in 2021 to winning the flag in 2023

 

[Peninsula Boy]

With a good coach, does a player like Mackson Jead find a role and play meaningful minutes.

 

[Us against the rest]

To suggest this is going to take years to turn around is just such an overblown statement.

So many teams look like basket cases and turn it around in a matter of 12 months.

There's plenty of talent on the list - 20 out of the 23 players in the prelim final last year are still on the current list. Majority of the key players are 25 years of age or less.

it can turn around quickly if they put the right infrastructure in place within the footy department. That is, a massive change up of assistants around Carr.

Look, we need to stop beating around the bush, it's not going to matter if it's Carr or Buckley or whom ever.
As long as pathetic Richardson, Koch and the weakness we have at board level things will roll on as usual.
These people have to be removed so the coach gets his best chance, these people are delusional, 3 premierships in 5 years, finals is a pass mark, enough is enough.

Josh I fear will damage his coaching credentials trying to coach with these limitations he has around him. I really do feel for a guy that is going to take on a group of mentality fragile players, these big losses destroy confidence.
Then we have a Chairman saying things are going to plan and a coward of a CEO hiding from supporters.

Are Koch and Richardson getting moved along, are some of the board members that allowed this rubbish leaving, do you know for sure that Carr will be allowed to hand pick his assistants, or will we be sticking with the worst coaching panel in the AFL?

Until we know these things are changing we know nothing about where we will be in the next few years. All Port fans get is talk and no action then to be attacked by the very club they love, disgraceful.

Utterly disgraceful management and we are sick and tired of the constant excuses from pathetic people.

 

[theouthouse]

So Port currently have 3 of the top 12 from the 2018 super draft, Lucosious, Rozee, Butters, on their list, 2 first rounders from 2019 (Bergman, Georgiades), Jones from 2020, Sinn and Horne-Francis from 2021 first round.

So that's a third of the team as first round draft picks in a 4 year period, who should be in their prime or entering it as footballers.

I'd be gunning hard to try and get Leek Aleer to Port aswell.

If it's a NWM for Bergman trade the number of first rounders over this period stays the same.

 

[n4nirvana]

it could be longer than that if we still have Davies et al in charge

 

[GoPorts]

So Port currently have 3 of the top 12 from the 2018 super draft, Lucosious, Rozee, Butters, on their list, 2 first rounders from 2019 (Bergman, Georgiades), Jones from 2020, Sinn and Horne-Francis from 2021 first round.

So that's a third of the team as first round draft picks in a 4 year period, who should be in their prime or entering it as footballers.

I'd be gunning hard to try and get Leek Aleer to Port aswell.

If it's a NWM for Bergman trade the number of first rounders over this period stays the same.

Yep. The talent is there. Even in a game like last night where our skills look terrible and the players give up we are still able to move the ball inside 50 more than the opposition. It's just such hard work to do that.
The gameplan of everyone applying constant exhausting and manic pressure and then hope that one of the freakishly skilled players can create a goal is dumb. It's a big part of why our depth players always look so poor and we so often say that even our best players so often do dumb things (there isn't a plan to follow, no expectation of where you can chop out to safety under pressure).
How often to we watch Port dominate 20min of a qtr to eek out 2.4 only to see that completely eroded in red time. I don't watch a lot of other football but I don't think I've seen too many games where teams struggle to capitalize in the way that Port do, even in the relatively good H&A years of the last few seasons.
A gameplan that rewards effort and plays to the strengths of a mobile forward line will allow more scoreboard pressure and be less soul crushing for the players and fans.
With a decent game plan and a coach who is able to form a coherent sentence the current list should comfortably be sitting in the 4-8 range. Better development and unlocking the gym can push that up in 2-3 seasons.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Club can’t do anything right. No first draft pick as we sink to the bottom

 

[Long live PAFC]

We will have a weaker fixture next year so some bounce up should occur naturally.

Another 20 games into some players will see them become more consistent and reliable.

An improved fitness department will see more consistent performances across the whole game.

An improved psychology team will see more consistent and sustained performances, especially under pressure.

These things should be relatively easy to produce.

We are going to need some good coaching support. Our current coaches, if staying, need to work on themselves and their craft hard.

Standards will have to be set and adhered to across the whole club. This can be hard to do.

A rebuild shouldn’t be needed, nor should it take a long time for port to bounce back.

 

[Us against the rest]

it could be longer than that if we still have Davies et al in charge

Carr is okay with CD.

 

[all seeing eye]

The club is just stale, they went into the new season with a degree of complacency, they then copped pre and early season injuries which further derailed things. With a new voice, an earlier return to training due to missing finals,, hopefully a better run with early injuries and the retturn of key personnel, things can rebound quickly. However lessons need to be learnt, underperforming personnel and players moved on and refinements to the gameplan made. This last part Im less sure will be undertaken.

 

[Scholz Supremacy]

To suggest this is going to take years to turn around is just such an overblown statement.

So many teams look like basket cases and turn it around in a matter of 12 months.

There's plenty of talent on the list - 20 out of the 23 players in the prelim final last year are still on the current list. Majority of the key players are 25 years of age or less.

it can turn around quickly if they put the right infrastructure in place within the footy department. That is, a massive change up of assistants around Carr.

Collingwood finished 17th in 2021 before Craig McRae was able to have an immediate impact.

GWS finished 16th in 2022 before Adam Kingsley was able to have an immediate impact.

But try explaining that and you’ll just get hit with “their list is better than yours. Totally different”

 

[JUSTWORK]

Collingwood finished 17th in 2021 before Craig McRae was able to have an immediate impact.

GWS finished 16th in 2022 before Adam Kingsley was able to have an immediate impact.

But try explaining that and you’ll just get hit with “their list is better than yours. Totally different”

Koch constantly talks up how good the list is, in one breath says we are as good as Brisbane but refuse to acknowledge that means the problem is coaching.