The Rendell Fiasco

[Jars458]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

The facts are that Rendell said and he is not refuting that he did, "will not recruit an Aboriginal unless he has one white parent". That is as unambiguous a statement as there can be.

He has not said anything publicly that I know of. Nor has Misfud that I know of publicly said that he did say exactly that.

The English language in written form can be open to interpretation on a sentence written in black white. Never mind what is said in a conversation that happened six weeks ago.

I still say, why has this taken six weeks to come out and why is noone in the media asking that very obvious question?

Again I stress I am talking about the process and not on the substance of the issue as we don't know what that is until we know the FACTS.

 

[Bicks]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

The facts are that Rendell said and he is not refuting that he did, "will not recruit an Aboriginal unless he has one white parent". That is as unambiguous a statement as there can be.

I know that a lot of you want to wait and hopefully hear Rendell say that it was in regards to this, that or the other thing and put it into "context" but the truth is, he was not in the back yard with like minded mates having a barbie or out on the boat fishing with his mates; He was in a room with professional, AFL employed people! How ****ing stupid and arrogant is this **** ?

He is representative of a large group of people within our society who have and will always have, an ingrained prejudice against Aboriginals and others, if the truth be known. That is the Australia they were brought up in and it is the Australia that all fair minded people want to consign to history.

Rendell and his type need to feel the wrath of the community at large to help bring up our young folk in a different Australia to Rendells'.

This issue is not bad for The Adelaide Football Club: it has been dealt with quickly and properly by your club and all of you should be just as proud of the way your club has handled all of this, as you are about your teams fantastic performance yesterday.

Taking the moral high ground much!!!!!

One can only surmise what your liberal use of ****ing and ****s actually is!!!

Your mother should wash your mouth out with soap!!!

 

[Allefgib]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

The facts are that Rendell said and he is not refuting that he did, "will not recruit an Aboriginal unless he has one white parent". That is as unambiguous a statement as there can be.

I know that a lot of you want to wait and hopefully hear Rendell say that it was in regards to this, that or the other thing and put it into "context" but the truth is, he was not in the back yard with like minded mates having a barbie or out on the boat fishing with his mates; He was in a room with professional, AFL employed people! How ****ing stupid and arrogant is this **** ?

Agreed. Stupid, unacceptable and yes possibly arrogant. Possibly just poorly expressed. Highly likely reflective of a broader desire at the club to be selective on who we recruit to maximise return on investment of recruiting dollars.

He is representative of a large group of people within our society who have and will always have, an ingrained prejudice against Aboriginals and others, if the truth be known. That is the Australia they were brought up in and it is the Australia that all fair minded people want to consign to history.

Rendell and his type need to feel the wrath of the community at large to help bring up our young folk in a different Australia to Rendells'.

This issue is not bad for The Adelaide Football Club: it has been dealt with quickly and properly by your club and all of you should be just as proud of the way your club has handled all of this, as you are about your teams fantastic performance yesterday.

This bit I disagree with. Wrath will only build resentment and perpetuate the issues. Education and involvement probably likely to have a better outcome.

Dealt with properly? Again not sure I 100% agree. What we have done could easily be construed as sweeping it under the carpet (or out the door). As opposed to actively showing a desire to attack the issue head. I get why they hung him out to dry... (they didn't sack him, he walked... aparently..) but I think they could have come out of this even better had they taken a different approach.

AD was furious, though he doesn't quite know why yet..., and we avoided the heat.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

The facts are that Rendell said and he is not refuting that he did, "will not recruit an Aboriginal unless he has one white parent". That is as unambiguous a statement as there can be.

I know that a lot of you want to wait and hopefully hear Rendell say that it was in regards to this, that or the other thing and put it into "context" but the truth is, he was not in the back yard with like minded mates having a barbie or out on the boat fishing with his mates; He was in a room with professional, AFL employed people! How ****ing stupid and arrogant is this **** ?

He is representative of a large group of people within our society who have and will always have, an ingrained prejudice against Aboriginals and others, if the truth be known. That is the Australia they were brought up in and it is the Australia that all fair minded people want to consign to history.

Rendell and his type need to feel the wrath of the community at large to help bring up our young folk in a different Australia to Rendells'.

This issue is not bad for The Adelaide Football Club: it has been dealt with quickly and properly by your club and all of you should be just as proud of the way your club has handled all of this, as you are about your teams fantastic performance yesterday.

Firstly please stop stating things as the facts unless you have sat down and interviewed Matt....please share the interview with the rest of us. Truth is you have formed a perception based on what we have all heard so far. These are not facts, these are 1 version of what has happened.

Secondly I'm not hoping to hear anything other than his response to what has transpired since Friday.

Thirdly please reply to my previous post and tell us what you would do, I assume since you have totally ignored my question you would join the lynch mob and consign your son as a wife beater....yes??

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

Adrian Anderson said on EMT he was not across the detail of how the matter came to be aired in public rather than privately.

I understand the AFL CEO has also not commented on this in any detail. Stephen Trigg refused to comment on what was said in the meeting between Rendell and Misfud and at least one other person.

So many complicated issues here and so many people making comments when they don't know the facts.

There is a lot of water under the bridge to come here and Matthew needs to be able to respond to allegations, which to be fair, are not completely clear. We only seem to have rumours and newspaper reports of what was said.

Jason Misfud I would have thought needs to come out and say what was said and in what context. To me he has a responsibility to do that.

These issues are far too important to be dealt with via trial by media.

As to what the AFC did, I can see why they did it (on the limited facts I have) and I understand why they wont say exactly what was said or not by Matt Rendell at the meeting, as there are a myriad of legal complications.

End of the day, until we know the full facts, we can't comment.

The actions of Matt, the AFL and the AFC can only be asssessed in the fullness of time when all the facts become public.

Well that's not true according to Northalives, read his posts apparently he has the facts detailed in his posts.

Other than that I agree with your post Jars458

 

[sworc36]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

That is exactly what racism is; a belief that another person's life/way of life/culture is inferior to theirs.

Rendell said that he would not recruit an Aboriginal if one of his parents were not white: why do you think he said that? How can there possibly be any context within which such a statement can be deemed to be "OK"?

Here's a hypothetical for you sworc36: player A comes from a middle class, well-to-do family and attended a private school. He and his folks are keen church goers and are all teetotallers with no criminal convictions whatsoever. Both player A's parents are Aboriginal. Player B has an Aboriginal dad who is separated from his partner, an alcoholic white woman. Player B has been living rough since he was a young tacker and doesn't mind a drink although this is not apparent. They both are the same age, same weight and height and of pretty well equal ability.

Who would you chose sworc36? We all know which one Rendell would chose! You see, according to Rendell, having two white parents, you pass the test for being available for consideration; having one white parent means you may have a chance of passing the consideration test; having no white parents means you WILL NOT be considered.

Is that not discrimination based on one person's assumption that to not have two, or at the very least one white parent, renders a person INFERIOR and not up to it?

And as for "public hangings" of "so called" racists, we have laws in this country that protect all of us, ALL of us, from racial vilification and if one is found to be a racist, like Mr. Andrew Bolt, then throw the book at the **** s !

I repeat, there is absolutely no context in which the comment, "will not recruit any Aboriginal unless they have one white parent" be deemed acceptable.

The comment leaves no doubt that Rendell believes that if one has at least one white parent, then they are superior to the ones without any white parents.

Rendell, Dipierdomenico and other "good blokes" like them, should have their skins chemically altered so they take on the appearance of being Aboriginal and sent to places like Walgett or Brewarrina or out to Western Australia to see how they get on.

Are you that naive to think this doesnt happen all the time? Do you not believe that people do not get chosen for a job because a)they are too old, b) they are applying for a modelling job and are too fat, C) not tall enough to be an air hostess. Seriously Northalives, you CANNOT be that naive.
This happens everday, everywhere and in just about every workplace.

As for your senario I would be pretty sure that MR would pick the player that he thinks would best fit our club which is what he is paid to do. If you really think that MR is racist Northalives, why the hell would he have recruited Tambling, Patrenko, Armstrong who are all aboriginal?
Your last paragraph is absolutely ridiculous and is not even worth commenting on.

 

[TooFar]

Not to AA he didn't. Not directly. As I have said, there needs to be clarity before judgment can be delivered.

I'm pretty sure he asked AA directly " has Matt Rendell been hung out to dry". AA said no, but didn't follow that answer up with a convincing argument.

The more discussion there is about this subject, the more it becomes apparent that Rendell has in fact been hung out to dry.

 

[Jars458]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

I'm pretty sure he asked AA directly " has Matt Rendell been hung out to dry". AA said no, but didn't follow that answer up with a convincing argument.

The more discussion there is about this subject, the more it becomes apparent that Rendell has in fact been hung out to dry.

That's not my recollection but you could be right but certainly as you say no argument as to how this all evolved.

Rendell may have been hung out to dry, but until we know the facts we don't know that. The lack of facts in all this is really disappoining for the general public.

 

[sworc36]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

Adrian Anderson said on EMT he was not across the detail of how the matter came to be aired in public rather than privately.

I understand the AFL CEO has also not commented on this in any detail. Stephen Trigg refused to comment on what was said in the meeting between Rendell and Misfud and at least one other person.

So many complicated issues here and so many people making comments when they don't know the facts.

There is a lot of water under the bridge to come here and Matthew needs to be able to respond to allegations, which to be fair, are not completely clear. We only seem to have rumours and newspaper reports of what was said.

Jason Misfud I would have thought needs to come out and say what was said and in what context. To me he has a responsibility to do that.

These issues are far too important to be dealt with via trial by media.

As to what the AFC did, I can see why they did it (on the limited facts I have) and I understand why they wont say exactly what was said or not by Matt Rendell at the meeting, as there are a myriad of legal complications.

End of the day, until we know the full facts, we can't comment.

The actions of Matt, the AFL and the AFC can only be asssessed in the fullness of time when all the facts become public.

Yes I think that Jason Misfud does need to come out and say exactly what was said and in what context, after all he is the one that the comment was made to and I think he owes everyone involved at least that clarification.

This has been handled disgracefully by Demetriou, it should have been sorted out behind closed doors with all involved. I would also imagine the Indiginous community would have liked it to be dealt with behind closed doors and without all this fuss.

What a mess this has turned out to be. Will def be staying up to watch Confidential and hear what MR has to say.

 

[Bicks]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

I see former champion Saints forward Fraser Gehrig and Grant Thomas have come out in defence of Matt Rendell also....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ter-matt-rendell/story-e6freck3-1226303276731

Thomas has been one of number of people to speak out about the circumstances surrounding the dumping of Rendell.
Yesterday, he was joined by former Saints champion forward Fraser Gehrig, who said: "Whoever it might be, the AFL or Adelaide - and I'm tipping the AFL - it's pretty disappointing that they've hung him out to dry like this.
"We had a couple of Aboriginal boys down at the club when he was with us and he's certainly not a racist like they have tried to make him out to be.
"It's like they've hung him before they have even got to the trial.
"There is no truth in him having any racist bones in his body. To the contrary, really."
Gehrig, who played 260 games including 145 at St Kilda between 2001-08, said Adelaide legend Andrew McLeod had been reluctant to judge Rendell.
"He's thinking the way Adelaide should have been thinking - let him explain himself and then make a decision," Gehrig said.
"It's a disgrace what has happened.
"I don't know if someone has a bone to pick with him, but they're trying to ruin someone's reputation which he has built up for 35 years and that's not right."

 

[afc1991]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

This issue is not bad for The Adelaide Football Club: it has been dealt with quickly and properly by your club and all of you should be just as proud of the way your club has handled all of this, as you are about your teams fantastic performance yesterday.

We dealt with it rather poorly while the afls handling has been disgusting. Thats the heat you get though when you mix a racial issue with internet hysteria and sensational headlines.

We know about 10% of the story, we dont know rendells side yet, or even misfud. Its taken days for something sensible to be written, and that came in the form of mcleods comments, reserving judgement until he knows the facts. Thats how sane people think, I reckon its downright scary how many people are so quick to judge- especially the afl. Its been a bloody witch hunt.

I get more pissed off as each day passes, its a deadset farce.

 

[King Elvis]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

The facts are that Rendell said and he is not refuting that he did, "will not recruit an Aboriginal unless he has one white parent". That is as unambiguous a statement as there can be.

I know that a lot of you want to wait and hopefully hear Rendell say that it was in regards to this, that or the other thing and put it into "context" but the truth is, he was not in the back yard with like minded mates having a barbie or out on the boat fishing with his mates; He was in a room with professional, AFL employed people! How ****ing stupid and arrogant is this **** ?

I would've thought the fact he was in a professional meeting with the AFL would work in his favour, not against it?

He didn't make some racist remark to a mate at a barbie, and get caught out - he made his comments directly to the people responsible for player welfare within the game; I think that suggests his intentions were sincere.

If it comes out he said something like, "There have been a few issues with players struggling to adapt, and if we don't do something about it soon, you'll find Clubs will only recruit aboriginal kids with one white parent," then it'll be a disgrace the way he's been treated.

Hope it's along those lines, anyway

And good to see McLeod come out and passionately defend the Crows (and Rendell) and refute the possibility that they are in any way a racist organisation.

The AFL immediately contacted the Adelaide Crows, but the matter did not come to a head until Mifsud, accompanied by a league media minder, repeated the comments to a media outlet.

Why the hell?

 

[Geoffa32]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

If he has said what was quoted then I am sorry but he should not hold such a job. Regardless of the context he said it in. If they are his beliefs and he would act on them, he is not doing his job and in the long run we as a club can suffer as he has precluded some players from his list.


Imagine if the head of HR of any organisation admitted, in any forum, that they would not employ someone if their parents did not belong to a particular race. Even if they have the rights skills/qualifications for the job.

That person would lose their job.

 

[WALL-e]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

Why the hell?

Perfect deflection from 'current' bad topics on the issue....

 

[Carmo]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

If they are his beliefs and he would act on them, he is not doing his job and in the long run we as a club can suffer as he has precluded some players from his list.


Imagine if the head of HR of any organisation admitted, in any forum, that they would not employ someone if their parents did not belong to a particular race. Even if they have the rights skills/qualifications for the job.

That person would lose their job.

What if it wasnt his beliefs, what if it was data? Eg the data says that indigenous players with one white parent have a higher probability of staying in the system?

Although.... if that was his case he could have said, I'd rather recruit a less talented indigenous player with one white parent than a more talented one with both indigenous parents.


Although...do we all need a script writer these days? The person recieving the comments should, if they thought the comments were as racist as whats being purported asked them to clarify them, then probably asked again. If this wasnt done, then that's negligent of the audience of the comments. I know if it were me dealing with someone who threw out comments like that and who had no previous record of being strongly racist I would be so dumbfounded that I know I would have had to ask him to repeat it, just to confirm that what I heard was real!!

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

It's exactly how it should have been said. Unfortunately, we don't know that this isn't what was said that then (as conversations do) carried onto somethig else whereby he said something insensitive at best, potentially racist at worst depending on the tone of the discussion.

Mifsud: why are their less Aboriginal boys getting drafted given we have more teams

Rendell: Talent isn't there this year

Mifsud: anything else?

Rendell: Well, there are always transitional considerations when choosing players, we look at family, personality, psych profile, injuries & health and there has been a number of high profile Aboriginal lads not adapting to the new modern AFL.

Mifsud: Can we fix that?

Rendell: Sure, you need to put greater support mechanisms in place, maybe increase the draft age to 19, allow greater weeks off per year in the AFLPA agreements, increase the list sizes, change salary cap rules

Mifsud: what if we don't?

Rendell: well in 10 years time you could end up with my Club and other Clubs only only drafting kids if they have at least one white parent because it might give a greater chance of them adapting to AFL life and we play the odds at the draft table, it's not an exact science.

And then you get a quote, when someone summarises a report they write.

Now I'm not suggesting that was what happened. But I somehow doubt that the bloke in charge with the welfare of indigenous footballers at the AFL asked 1 question and the response was as simple as what has been quoted.

The fact that Vlad seemingly doesn't even know the facts is appalling given he apparently gave Trigg an ultimatum.

From my understanding you are spot on

3 months ago, I posted an idea for starting an AFL Indigenous Academy.
I will give you a hot tip. I wasn't my idea....
If you put that Academy idea into the above scenario, I think you will realise why it is a disgrace what has happened...

Jurrah attacks a man with a machette and is free to play.

Rendell puts forward an idea to help and is pushed out the door....

I have never been so disgusted in Steven Trigg and the Adelaide Crows in my whole life... If we had a strong leader, like Eddie, he would of dismissed the Vince 'issue' and told the media to grow up. He would of stuck up for his employee in Rendell and had a proper investigation before pushing him out the door... I am always critical on our players for not being loyal to the club. What is the point, the club isn't loyal to its employees. We supposed to be a football club... With Trigg, we are just a franchise... An AFL brownose.....

We need a strong leader. Nigel Smart?

 

[jenny61_99]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

I'm pretty sure he asked AA directly " has Matt Rendell been hung out to dry". AA said no, but didn't follow that answer up with a convincing argument.

The more discussion there is about this subject, the more it becomes apparent that Rendell has in fact been hung out to dry.

I tend to agree. But I also think the AFL would have given Adelaide an immediate ultimatum - sack him or get him to resign but make him gone. Reckon Trigg was caught between a rock and a hard place on this one. Disappointed more of you can't see that.

 

[Bicks]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

I tend to agree. But I also think the AFL would have given Adelaide an immediate ultimatum - sack him or get him to resign but make him gone. Reckon Trigg was caught between a rock and a hard place on this one. Disappointed more of you can't see that.

Funny you should say that....Neil Mitchell on Vic Radio today replayed an interview with Demitriou that he did early last week before the actual name of the recruiter was known to the public, In the course of the interview Vlad when questioned said words to the effect " I think the person in question should start looking for employment outside the AFL" so your scenario is pretty close to the money IMO.

 

[Geoffa32]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

What if it wasnt his beliefs, what if it was data? Eg the data says that indigenous players with one white parent have a higher probability of staying in the system?

Although.... if that was his case he could have said, I'd rather recruit a less talented indigenous player with one white parent than a more talented one with both indigenous parents.


Although...do we all need a script writer these days? The person recieving the comments should, if they thought the comments were as racist as whats being purported asked them to clarify them, then probably asked again. If this wasnt done, then that's negligent of the audience of the comments. I know if it were me dealing with someone who threw out comments like that and who had no previous record of being strongly racist I would be so dumbfounded that I know I would have had to ask him to repeat it, just to confirm that what I heard was real!!

Trigg spoke to Rendall and asked him to put his words into context. I am guessing this conversation did not get well.

From my understanding you are spot on

3 months ago, I posted an idea for starting an AFL Indigenous Academy.
I will give you a hot tip. I wasn't my idea....
If you put that Academy idea into the above scenario, I think you will realise why it is a disgrace what has happened...

Jurrah attacks a man with a machette and is free to play.

Rendell puts forward an idea to help and is pushed out the door....

I have never been so disgusted in Steven Trigg and the Adelaide Crows in my whole life... If we had a strong leader, like Eddie, he would of dismissed the Vince 'issue' and told the media to grow up. He would of stuck up for his employee in Rendell and had a proper investigation before pushing him out the door... I am always critical on our players for not being loyal to the club. What is the point, the club isn't loyal to its employees. We supposed to be a football club... With Trigg, we are just a franchise... An AFL brownose.....

We need a strong leader. Nigel Smart?

I think that Trigg is a strong leader, and he has an excellent relationship with Demetriou and the AFL. It is not brownnosing. If there is one guy who could "spin" Rendell's comments it would be him.

I can bet you if anyone at Collingwood had said what Rendell is quoted as saying Eddie would sack them too.

I am thinking Trigg met with Rendell to get his side of the story thinking he could front up to the AFL and fix it, and after hearing it thinking there is little to defend. The last thing Trigg would want would be to lose the guy. We would have wanted to do anything to keep him at our club whilst keeping our club's reputation intact.

 

[Geoffa32]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

I tend to agree. But I also think the AFL would have given Adelaide an immediate ultimatum - sack him or get him to resign but make him gone. Reckon Trigg was caught between a rock and a hard place on this one. Disappointed more of you can't see that.

And this is why even after Trigg met with Rendell to get his side, he had little to work with in defending the guy.


How would we as a club look if we retained, and defended Rendell?

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

I don't believe AA and AD wouldn't know the full details by now. Or if they don't that is gross negligence on their part.

Matty R has fallen on his sword to make it easy for everyone - the club especially.
I still think there has to be something more to this - possibly even worse comments being said, or a potential 'last strike' for Rendell at the club for speaking his mind a little too much. (i.e. if he'd spilled the beans again in a less controversial sense he still may have been walked out the door). Things just don't quite make enough sense for me yet.

No way. He was pushed out with a gun in his mouth...

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

Trigg spoke to Rendall and asked him to put his words into context. I am guessing this conversation did not get well.



I think that Trigg is a strong leader, and he has an excellent relationship with Demetriou and the AFL. It is not brownnosing. If there is one guy who could "spin" Rendell's comments it would be him.

I can bet you if anyone at Collingwood had said what Rendell is quoted as saying Eddie would sack them too.

I am thinking Trigg met with Rendell to get his side of the story thinking he could front up to the AFL and fix it, and after hearing it thinking there is little to defend. The last thing Trigg would want would be to lose the guy. We would have wanted to do anything to keep him at our club whilst keeping our club's reputation intact.

I think you should wait to hear Rendell's version of events and then decide. I think 90% of the football world will be on his side. There is nothing wrong with conducting a proper investigation. That is what Eddie would of done, I have no doubt.

 

[Carmo]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

Has anyone seen what Che Cockatoo Collins has said on the issue (on AdelaideNow)? (sorry if you all have, i've been away from the electronic world for the last few days) I think it is a good summary of whats happened and of the issues involved.

 

[jenny61_99]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

No, what did he say?

 

[TooFar]

Re: Rendell Says the club will only recruit Aboriginals that have one white parent

I also think the timing of the NAB cup final played some part in the quick shove out the door. I would think that the AFC did not want this type of scrutiny while it was hosting the final. Had this happened at any other time, Rendell may have had a bit longer to plead his case.