Certified Legendary Thread The Score Review System

[subaru]

From the Bay !!!!

 

[Sanders]

Disagree slightly.

Firstly they should have spent more than 10 seconds looking at the footage to begin with. But my biggest pet hate for this is the 3rd umpire is only meant to say goal/behind if they can be 100% sure that they're correct, otherwise it should be 'umpires call'.

It looked like it nicked the post but Jenkin's reaction says even more. If the goal umpire said it was a goal, that's fair enough but the 3rd umpire should be going back to the goal umpires call because there's nothing from the footage where you can see clearly enough whether the ball does/doesn't hit the post.

The umpires call was goal

JJ wouldn’t know

 

[Iron]

Must admit I cant really see why JJ thinking its a goal makes it a goal.

It's clearly a close call and hes got an arguably worse perspective than the umpire.

 

[Crowhorse]

What’s incredibly bizarre is a senior AFL coach using the use of this system as some sort of game defining moment. Fans will always have a whinge but a coach? Really? Is his head in the game or not?

 

[Sanders]

It's clearly a close call and hes got an arguably worse perspective than the umpire.

Don’t think it’s even arguable

 

[Iron]

Don’t think it’s even arguable

I would make some concession for players as there is a certain degree of instinct.

 

[Sanders]

I would make some concession for players as there is a certain degree of instinct.

25 out. Trying to break the tackle, spinning round and kicking across his body. Heart pumping, under pressure, off balance

Vs. Umpire in perfect position

 

[John Who]

It's pretty simple:
- What Jenkins reckon it was - goal or behind - was irrelevant.
- the goal umpire's decision was what would have counted.
- the review was inconclusive, and not enough evidence to cancel out the initial umpire's decision, which was a goal.

End result = correct decision = goal (goal umpire's decision).

Another thing, from Jenkin's perspective, he might have genuinely thought it was a behind. However, perspectives can be misleading. So whatever Jenkin's thought it was, doesn't mean it was actually the truth (despite him being honest about what he thought).

 

[dogs105]

Must admit I cant really see why JJ thinking its a goal makes it a goal.

It's clearly a close call and hes got an arguably worse perspective than the umpire.

JJ also thought he was held in 4 marking contests. 4 more goals to us...

 

[Iron]

25 out. Trying to break the tackle, spinning round and kicking across his body. Heart pumping, under pressure, off balance

Vs. Umpire in perfect position

Well, I didn't say it wasnt a strong argument...

 

[Miss Vanessa]

JJ also thought he was held in 4 marking contests. 4 more goals to us...

So much this. If it was up to the players, then Robbie Gray would award himself 27 free kicks a game. JJ could simply be trolling the Pear. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[subaru]

 

[n4sir]

In principle I like the score review system, but you have to get it right. Have a relatively short time limit on reviews and unless there is clear and obvious evidence of a mistake, go with the umpire's call each time.

If memory serves me correctly (and that's a pretty dodgy assumption given that I am writing this after a close showdown win and after being on the grog for approx the last 10 hours) the review system was brought in to correct obviously horrific errors like (I think it was) during the Grand Final replay between Collingwood & St Kilda where then was a clear poster that was given a goal and continually highlighted as wrong during the coverage (and potentially disasterous if the game was close). It did not effect the result, but scared the crap out of the AFL into doing something so such a FUBAR would not determine the result of a game...

Ideally, I think it could have operated something like what used to happen in the NFL where during the ad-break time between scores an official using the media footage would determine there was a possible error, immediately call a stop to play and correct something blatantly obvious (which is what I thought/hoped this was intended for). Instead we have something like the review system in cricket where someone on the field sends a request for a review - it's basically the umpires almost wussing out and not backing themselves. It's clunky, borderline pedantic, and most of the time happens way too often and causes more angst than it solves.

IMHO the system in general works, but it could also be better.

 

[relapse]

What’s incredibly bizarre is a senior AFL coach using the use of this system as some sort of game defining moment. Fans will always have a whinge but a coach? Really? Is his head in the game or not?

He did it a couple of weeks ago too when he was complaining about Wingard's kick being touched.

He's turning into the new Brad Scott.

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[subaru]

If memory serves me correctly (and that's a pretty dodgy assumption given that I am writing this after a close showdown win and after being on the grog for approx the last 10 hours) the review system was brought in to correct obviously horrific errors like (I think it was) during the Grand Final replay between Collingwood & St Kilda where then was a clear poster that was given a goal and continually highlighted as wrong during the coverage (and potentially disasterous if the game was close). It did not effect the result, but scared the crap out of the AFL into doing something so such a FUBAR would not determine the result of a game...

Ideally, I think it could have operated something like what used to happen in the NFL where during the ad-break time between scores an official using the media footage would determine there was a possible error, immediately call a stop to play and correct something blatantly obvious (which is what I thought/hoped this was intended for). Instead we have something like the review system in cricket where someone on the field sends a request for a review - it's basically the umpires almost wussing out and not backing themselves. It's clunky, borderline pedantic, and most of the time happens way too often and causes more angst than it solves.

IMHO the system in general works, but it could also be better.

That’s an amazing post after 10 hours drinking - I was struggling to log on and I only started at 3-30!
Umpires shit themselves now instead of making the decision
It was for the howlers !

 

[dylan123]

The umpires call was goal

JJ wouldn’t know

That's correct but the score review wasn't able to determine that for 100% so it should have been 'umpires call' which is still a goal.

Disagree with JJ not knowing but each is their own with that.

Edit: The AFL quote posted above contradicts what I've said in terms of them just agreeing with the umpire when they can't tell. I always thought it went to umpires call unless they were also 100% on what they could see.

 

[subaru]

He did it a couple of weeks ago too when he was complaining about Wingard's kick being touched.

He's turning into the new Brad Scott.

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Do you think he knows how weak his team really are now?
This type of blaming everyone else is a sure sign of desperation I reckon

 

[Sanders]

That's correct but the score review wasn't able to determine that for 100% so it should have been 'umpires call' which is still a goal.

Disagree with JJ not knowing but each is their own with that.

Edit: The AFL quote posted above contradicts what I've said in terms of them just agreeing with the umpire when they can't tell. I always thought it went to umpires call unless they were also 100% on what they could see.

Exactly as I said. No reason to think a wrong call was made

 

[Mismatched]

To me it looks like it probably hit the post, in real time there appears to be a slight deflection, but on the vision shown, I cannot say conclusively at all, so the right decision made. If the shoe were on the other foot, I’d probably be pretty miffed, but we’ve had a couple of shockers to against us before, nice to get one go our way.

I do think they need to invest in a little better technology if they’re going to persist with video review. AFL always sites “cost” to fit out on all ovals, it surely they could fit out the MCG, Etihad, AO and Optus at a bare minimum, ie ovals with 22+ games a year played on them, to start with, then gradually work on GABBA, SCG, Metricon, Spotless and Kardinia.

 

[Crowked]

Doesn’t matter if it was the correct decision or not at this point. It’s in the book. Consigned to history.

After hearing all week how they were going to officially end our season, I reckon we just wrecked theirs. Poetic.

I think both sides have 3 weeks left in 2018.

 

[Mismatched]

Must admit I cant really see why JJ thinking its a goal makes it a goal.

It's clearly a close call and hes got an arguably worse perspective than the umpire.

Yep, not up to JJ to make the call, perhaps if it’s blatantly obvious sure, but this clearly wasn’t. Simply it’s not his job to make the call and it’s not as though he jumped around ecstatically celebrating to try and influence the umpires call. I’m pretty sure whingard would have high fived half the crowd before the ball had hit the ground.

 

[Bay62]

What’s incredibly bizarre is a senior AFL coach using the use of this system as some sort of game defining moment. Fans will always have a whinge but a coach? Really? Is his head in the game or not?

Exactly right but Ken reveals himself in what he says straight after when he says that someone should be accountable for the goal review because he’s accountable for wins and losses

He knows he’s not a good coach and if he doesn’t have everything going his way he’s going to be found out and lose his job

He’s just lucky that the club fell for his little power play with Gold Coast and gave him an extension. But he knows he’ll be exposed over the course of the contract

A bit fragile is little Kenny

 

[PowerBaz]

Exactly as I said. No reason to think a wrong call was made

In front of the goal post, as in front of the goal post on the point post side, never went through the goal posts??? Whether it hit the post is irrelevant?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Yep, not up to JJ to make the call, perhaps if it’s blatantly obvious sure, but this clearly wasn’t. Simply it’s not his job to make the call and it’s not as though he jumped around ecstatically celebrating to try and influence the umpires call. I’m pretty sure whingard would have high fived half the crowd before the ball had hit the ground.

Yes, that's my one criticism of Jenkins...don't be so bloody obvious that you thought it missed! You're spot on that Wingard would've tried the best to con the ump...it's like an appeal in cricket!!

 

[JP Sauce]

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In front of the goal post, as in front of the goal post on the point post side, never went through the goal posts??? Whether it hit the post is irrelevant?

That’s the left hand post numb nuts.

You do know that if it goes between the two big sticks it’s a goal, right?