The "take it outside" thread

[ydraw]

Again, I have fished all of my life. That and gardening are my passions in life apart from my family.

However, I don't feel the need to rape and pillage fish stocks, nor do I ignore the plight of fish that I return.

This really is a devastating question for you, huh?

It's really not that devastating. We don't throw back fish that are dead, unless we have to by law.

Not all species of fish suffer from barotrauma. And larger fish like queen snapper typically don't suffer from it that badly because they are quite good fighters and it's difficult to bring them to top that quickly.

 

[apparentlydead]

It's really not that devastating. We don't throw back fish that are dead, unless we have to by law.

Not all species of fish suffer from barotrauma. And larger fish like queen snapper typically don't suffer from it that badly because they are quite good fighters and it's difficult to bring them to top that quickly.

wut?





Seriously...wut?

 

[ydraw]

wut?

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Seriously...wut?

Nannygais (which are the most plentiful species) don't suffer from barotrauma. Undersized ones can be returned to the water with no problem. Samson fish can also be released easily. The worst affected are small Breaksea Cod. Worse case scenario in any case is that it becomes food for another fish or a seabird. Hardly the end of the world.

 

[DudleyDocker]

Nannygais (which are the most plentiful species) don't suffer from barotrauma. Undersized ones can be returned to the water with no problem. Samson fish can also be released easily. The worst affected are small Breaksea Cod. Worse case scenario in any case is that it becomes food for another fish or a seabird. Hardly the end of the world.

Bloody hell, no wonder the great whites are getting bolder - they are being lured in by all the dead fish ydraw is throwing back!

 

[ydraw]

Bloody hell, no wonder the great whites are getting bolder - they are being lured in by all the dead fish ydraw is throwing back!

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Normally the Noahs won't wait for you to throw it back If they want it, they'll take it on the way up. Hooked plenty of big ones down there, but we don't fish with tracers so there's almost no chance of getting a great white to the surface.

Better picture of the Snapper for you DudleyDocker

 

[apparentlydead]

It's really not that devastating. We don't throw back fish that are dead, unless we have to by law.

Not all species of fish suffer from barotrauma. And larger fish like queen snapper typically don't suffer from it that badly because they are quite good fighters and it's difficult to bring them to top that quickly.

Dude, you are skull dragging them up with 100lb handline...hardly a chance for the fish to fight at all...they are essentially on a winch ffs!!

Nannygais (which are the most plentiful species) don't suffer from barotrauma. Undersized ones can be returned to the water with no problem. Samson fish can also be released easily. The worst affected are small Breaksea Cod. Worse case scenario in any case is that it becomes food for another fish or a seabird. Hardly the end of the world.

Oh, now the story changes again


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Yeah...undersize black arse cod aren't an important part of the ecology at all...or them parrot fish...or whatever else you consider unworthy.

Nannys don't suffer from barotrauma??

After being skull dragged from 60-100 metres?

Oh pls, do tell.

 

[DudleyDocker]

Normally the Noahs won't wait for you to throw it back If they want it, they'll take it on the way up. Hooked plenty of big ones down there, but we don't fish with tracers so there's almost no chance of getting a great white to the surface.

Makes you realize how stoopid we were in the old days diving for crays and keeping them in a goodie bag screaming their heads off. Luckily there were no great whites back in the day!

 

[ydraw]

Nannys don't suffer from barotrauma??

After being skull dragged from 60-100 metres?

Oh pls, do tell.

Bight redfish live at depths from roughly 30 to over 300 metres. When released they have a remarkable ability to swim straight to the bottom, showing few signs of barotrauma. This is unusual for a species living at these depths, making them a good candidate for tagging.

http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/recreational_fishing/rap_newsletters/rap_newsletter_27.pdf

consider yourself told.

 

[apparentlydead]

http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/recreational_fishing/rap_newsletters/rap_newsletter_27.pdf

consider yourself told.

LOL, you idiot!!

showing few signs of barotrauma

Except when they're skull dragged from depth on oversized line!!!

EVERY fish suffers from Barotrauma when caught like this you dolt!!

Dinkum, you overdose on sooooo much confirmation bias that it's hysterical!

 

[DudleyDocker]

Normally the Noahs won't wait for you to throw it back If they want it, they'll take it on the way up. Hooked plenty of big ones down there, but we don't fish with tracers so there's almost no chance of getting a great white to the surface.

Better picture of the Snapper for you DudleyDocker

Thanks mate, good fish.

But I'm with most of the guys though, I think the days of taking those quantities of fish should be long gone.

I remember the days when we used to fill up sugar bags full of herring, just because they were there. Or spearfish on scuba because it was legal.

Now I have to pay $75 a kg for nice red emperor or $80 for coral trout because selfish pricks like me have over-fished them

 

[ydraw]

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From another club member, this haul from Hopetoun.

This one they had to call it a day because they actually had their bag limit of pink snapper.

 

[apparentlydead]

Normally the Noahs won't wait for you to throw it back If they want it, they'll take it on the way up. Hooked plenty of big ones down there, but we don't fish with tracers so there's almost no chance of getting a great white to the surface.

Better picture of the Snapper for you DudleyDocker

KEEP ALL THE FISH!!

 

[ydraw]

Thanks mate, good fish.

But I'm with most of the guys though, I think the days of taking those quantities of fish should be long gone.

I remember the days when we used to fill up sugar bags full of herring, just because they were there. Or spearfish on scuba because it was legal.

Now I have to pay $75 a kg for nice red emperor or $80 for coral trout because selfish pricks like me have over-fished them

Big difference between Herring and Coral Trout.

It's not like recreational fishers take these quantities every day. Be lucky to get a haul like that once a year. And it's not exactly easy to get to where you need to get. You have to hit the continental shelf to catch them in these numbers, which on the south coast means you need a pretty mean boat to survive those conditions, since it's 25 miles+ from shore, and seas and swell 2-3 meters most days.

The quantity of demersal fish hasn't changed much in the decades I've been fishing. If anything we get more now than we used to. That's probably because of GPS making it easier to find spots further from shore than anything else though. Before GPS we had to rely on visible landmarks and echo sounder alone, which meant you were just guessing once you got too far from shore to see any landmarks.

 

[apparentlydead]

From another club member, this haul from Hopetoun.

This one they had to call it a day because they actually had their bag limit of pink snapper.

KEEP ALL THE FISH!!

 

[DudleyDocker]

From another club member, this haul from Hopetoun.

This one they had to call it a day because they actually had their bag limit of pink snapper.

Now THAT is just obscene ydraw!

These guys did nothing illegal either, and I'm sure that the odd hunter here and there won't damage lion stocks...

 

[Clems Knee]

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/373434/Barotrauma-in-snapper.pdf

What about the fish you don't keep? How many did you hook to get that haul? The death rates from four dickheads in a boat are much greater than just that catch.

This talk of 'worse case scenario they just become food for other fish' is irresponsible.

 

[DudleyDocker]

Big difference between Herring and Coral Trout.

It's not like recreational fishers take these quantities every day. Be lucky to get a haul like that once a year. And it's not exactly easy to get to where you need to get. You have to hit the continental shelf to catch them in these numbers, which on the south coast means you need a pretty mean boat to survive those conditions, since it's 25 miles+ from shore, and seas and swell 2-3 meters most days.

Yeah, don't think this is going anywhere. Let's move on

 

[ydraw]

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/373434/Barotrauma-in-snapper.pdf
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Snapper and Red Snapper are two different and unrelated species.

 

[ydraw]

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/373434/Barotrauma-in-snapper.pdf

What about the fish you don't keep? How many did you hook to get that haul? The death rates from four dickheads in a boat are much greater than just that catch.

Most of what we released are swallowtails which are closely related to nannygai and don't suffer barotrauma.

When you are fishing the shelf you don't catch much other than Nannygai, which is fine with us as IMO they are the best tasting fish after KG Whiting.

Fishing closer to shore you are more likely to catch Wrasses, Sweep and assorted other stuff which we throw back, but you are in shallower water so they are usually fine. Unfortunately it's normally the undersized ones which are most affected because they come up faster. But you can avoid taking too many undersized fish by using bigger hooks.

 

[Clems Knee]

Snapper and Red Snapper are two different and unrelated species.

True, but there isn't much research available on the matter. Probably related to swim bladder size, and swimming habits of fish, rather than biological relationships.

 

[Keys]

Most of what we released are swallowtails which are closely related to nannygai and don't suffer barotrauma.

When you are fishing the shelf you don't catch much other than Nannygai, which is fine with us as IMO they are the best tasting fish after KG Whiting.

Will agree that nannygai are very good tasting fish

 

[ydraw]

True, but there isn't much research available on the matter. Probably related to swim bladder size, and swimming habits of fish, rather than biological relationships.

I linked above to an article from fisheries WA discussing Red Snapper and how them being unaffected by barotrauma makes them a good candidate for catch + release tagging.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-take-it-outside-thread.1115334/page-31#post-41798002

 

[apparentlydead]

Most of what we released are swallowtails which are closely related to nannygai and don't suffer barotrauma.

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Lying comes so easy to you failed farm boy.

 

[ydraw]

Lying comes so easy to you failed farm boy.

Good to see you refused to click the link proving you wrong, don't ever change.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-take-it-outside-thread.1115334/page-31#post-41798002

 

[ydraw]

True, but there isn't much research available on the matter. Probably related to swim bladder size, and swimming habits of fish, rather than biological relationships.

We'd only throw a snapper back if it was undersized anyway, and undersized snapper are shallow water fish. They spawn and grow in shallow water and move to deeper water when they mature. Very rarely see an undersized one in 60m of water.